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March 26, 2008 at 5:18 pm #619896
Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone!
I really am glad that I have met some of you. What a really great group of people that I, too, am glad I know.March 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm #619897
No worries…you won’t have to be subjected to meeting me in person, being as I am mean, rude, and not worldly enough to be acquainted with you all.
Good grief.March 26, 2008 at 5:30 pm #619898
I have edited the title of this topic. I appreciate the help from a couple of people who have flagged me to come read through this out of concern it may have crossed our lines. So far (although I haven’t seen the last dozen or so posts) it has not — though it’s close — but I remind you all that while we as site owners keep a much looser rein on the forums and do rely on you all to be more or less self-policing and self-propelling, WSB policy overall is that traits with which people are born — race, gender, size (height as well as weight), sexual orientation, disabilities, etc. — are discussion topics in which to tread very carefully.March 26, 2008 at 6:05 pm #619899
BTW, andrea, that was really sweet and ‘classy’ of you. Thank you. I’ll be sure and check back here after I get back from the hospital, visiting my relative who almost died last week, for more insults and fun.March 26, 2008 at 6:10 pm #619900
I would like to just say that, I was just as mean and rude to Kayleigh yesterday and it was unnecessary. I’m embarrassed for some of the things I wrote and, literally, could not go to sleep over it.
I know that I learned a lot from this, and I’m really glad for that.March 26, 2008 at 6:10 pm #619901
I dont think we are personally trying to attack you Kayleigh. I think that what we are trying to defend is someone that we have actually met and gotten to know. It takes all personallities to make a blog work ….March 27, 2008 at 2:45 am #619902
Yowsah! Now THIS has been a ride! From frozen food to Euro-centric Empiricism – awesome.
There are so many levels of complexity and emotion to bigotry that it’s hard to have a nuanced conversation about it – especially online. I’ve found, as a caucasian, that it’s very important to experience bigotry first-hand to understand it.
I spent some time in Japan where the word for a white person is “Gaijin.” The WAY in which that word is said carries a lot of meaning. One time, my white friends and I were running for a train; a group of Japanese kids (5 or 6-ish) came running after us yelling, “Gaijin! Gaijin!” Mainly because we were in a small town and they hadn’t seen many white mobs running past them, they were really excited! On the flip side, when walking around a corner we almost ran into an elderly Japanese gentleman coming the other direction. His reaction was to sneer at us and spit out “Gaijin!” His experience with white people was obviously, historically, very different than those of the little kids. Everywhere we went we were stared at – sometimes out of curiosity, sometimes hostility. You kind of get used to it, but you’re always aware that you’re on display and it can be uncomfortable.
I experienced being “on display” in India as well. I also experienced being blatantly ignored in both places at service counters – pretty humbling.
Of course, we don’t have to go as far as those places to recognize there is animosity towards the white race – specifically BECAUSE it holds so much power. Just watched “Guns, Germs and Steel” which discusses why the European cultures were able to ransack so much of the world while other cultures didn’t spread so rapidly. Pretty interesting regardless of whether or not you agree with the premise.
Even in these progressive times, there’s still bigotry toward men and women. How many times in a male-dominated meeting have I been shouted down only to have some dude present my idea later and be praised for it? Or try being a male knitter – THEY get looks!!
There’s a LOT of hate, fear, and misunderstanding in this world and it gets us into trouble. Thank god we’re in a place in our society where we at least discuss it. It’s incumbent upon each of us as global citizens to educate ourselves as much as possible to understand WHY we hate, fear and misunderstand another group of people. Hopefully we reach a certain level of empathy that allows us to see through the veils of divisiveness that separate us.March 27, 2008 at 5:26 am #619903March 27, 2008 at 2:38 pm #619904April 21, 2008 at 5:26 am #619905April 21, 2008 at 6:37 am #619906
well, you just joined our little forum 6 days ago, and this thread was put to bed 3 weeks ago…it’s all in the timing :)April 21, 2008 at 3:04 pm #619907April 21, 2008 at 3:48 pm #619908
you just never know what will come back up, do you?
no thread is ever put completely to bed here;-0April 21, 2008 at 5:36 pm #619909
and sometimes the things that come back up leave a terrible taste in one’s mouth….
I don’t know who you are, lintle…not sure I’d like to…and definitely don’t like your sarcasm. It seems that you’re not on here to simply be part of the forum..your comments on all of your posts so far have been, let’s say, made to simply get a reaction. I’m sure you understand what I mean..one smart person to another :)April 21, 2008 at 6:06 pm #619910
on the contraire JanS. Just people are sensitive.
to tell the truth I have posted honestly on here but I am attacked whenever the “core group” here does’nt agree. Brow-beating/bullying people who don’t agree with you and others like you will just snub the very honest and un-swayed opinions. it seems that noone here is looking for honesty but to only be validated and agreed solely. I again offer to you the world and life is far bigger.
I think I love you JanS!April 21, 2008 at 6:49 pm #619911
And I gather the core group is anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Lintle? G-d what an ego. Judging from the Alki Cafe thread, we’ve got a damned big core group. Are we feeling a bit defensive, L? Perhaps we should be.April 21, 2008 at 7:03 pm #619912April 21, 2008 at 8:17 pm #619913
I stand corrected, Lintle. You offer to me the world
and life are far bigger. Hmmm…something I haven’t really considered on my journey here as I enter my 7th decade on earth…thanks for pointing that out :).
My take on things…we are not on here to tear down those who disagree…but we can disagree, and still be good friends. I have met some wonderful people from these forums..one that I’ve disagreed with from his first post – lol – he knows who he is…and yet, it doesn’t get meanspirited, and for the most part, never gets condescending. You, my little friend, are condescending…NOT a good trait…(oh, that’s just my opinion, I’m sure others feel differently)April 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm #619914
Imagine my shock when I saw this thread back at the top!
Can’t it just be removed? Where is the delete option???
As you can see, L, my opinion almost always differs from the majority of the other members. However, I have found that, if I am respectful in the way I write or state my opinion, it rarely gets too out of hand. That is the common thread, respect for your fellow neighbor.
When I first joined this forum, I was ganged up on. But I continued to post and made sure that I pointed out when I DID agree with other members.
Because I think every point of view is interesting, I hope you stick around, state your opinion and (BEST advice) think hard before you post.April 21, 2008 at 11:09 pm #619915
seventy + years and still can’t be disagreed with. now that I know your age I only hope that you’re not still driving are you. I still love and appreciate you JanS. you may not realize it but I am less condescending more blatantly honest and emotionless in my views.
thank you for the advice NewResident. I’ll try to give a bit but i can’t be the only one giving a bit. the more I’m attacked for my honesty the more I learn about people in my neighborhood that I have yet to meet.
leaving it there!April 21, 2008 at 11:11 pm #619916April 22, 2008 at 12:20 am #619917April 22, 2008 at 12:23 am #619918
Lintle…is there a magic age when one no longer gets to participate in life? Yes, I drive, and yes, I will probably be driving when I’m 70…what a nasty crack that was…you’re not trying to do anything but insult people…get over yourself – lol.
and charla, I said that laughing >;o)April 22, 2008 at 1:13 am #619919April 22, 2008 at 1:21 am #619920
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