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February 26, 2014 at 11:44 am #610564
HMC RichParticipantPresident Obama has used executive orders on issues that he says can’t wait. He just threatened to do it more.
Do you believe he is overstepping his powers as President or do you believe he is acting properly?
What are your thoughts?
February 26, 2014 at 2:45 pm #804827
JoBParticipantI believe that our current congress has left him little choice..
if the Republicans would get back to business.. andy business other than bringing the President down.. it might be a different matter..
but even then.. i am pretty sure he has used executive orders far less that Bush Jr who had a Congress to work with..
February 26, 2014 at 3:23 pm #804828
wakefloodParticipantWhat, Rich, you don’t like sleeping in the bed you made? ;-)
If memory serves, the term “Imperial Presidency” was coined to describe one GWB, who executive ordered and signing statemented, and recess appointed, virtually everything Dick Chene…I mean he, wanted to do. From his first days in office.
Obama’s use of all of those techniques pales in comparison.
As JoB said, if the stalling tactics in Congress weren’t so relentless…
February 26, 2014 at 9:01 pm #804829
JanSParticipantoverstepping…well, no. Congress continues to have their heads up their collective asses, and ignoring the work to be done, so someone has to do it. Perspective…here you go:
(and, whoa, check out Ted Roosevelt, Wilson,Coolidge and FDR’s #’s)
February 27, 2014 at 1:02 am #804830
dobroParticipantJust to make it easy to reads Jan’s research.
Ronald Reagan-381
George Bush-166
William J. Clinton-364
George W. Bush-291
Barack Obama-168
Yeah, looks like Obama is a regular Adolf Mussolini what with all those executive orders. Wow, two more than GHW Bush! Almost half as many as St. Ronnie! It must feel bad to repeat right wing talking points so faithfully and then have the simplest google search show you up to be foolish.
February 27, 2014 at 1:06 am #804831
dobroParticipant“Do you believe he is overstepping his powers as President or do you believe he is acting properly?”
Properly. When Republicans in Congress refuse to come to work and are only interested in obstruction and vacations somebody needs to try and do some of the people’s work. Maybe in 2014 enough of these bums will be shown the door that we can have a functional Legislature again.
February 27, 2014 at 3:05 am #804832
JanSParticipantlol…Dobro, it was easy finding that info. I keep telling people that google is their friend. Some still want to create turmoil where none exists.
it took 4 words..”executive orders by president”…sigh
February 27, 2014 at 3:11 pm #804833
JoBParticipantinfo is only useful if you believe it
February 28, 2014 at 6:50 am #804834
HMC RichParticipantPresident Bush had too many Executive Orders. But, was he circumventing congress? I have to check. Probably on some levels too. Quantity may not matter as much as Quality but either way both he and the current President have been legislating on their own too much.
It doesn’t matter whether or not Republicans or Democrats “come to work” as you put it regarding legislating. You are so blinded by your ideology you do not see the harm that the Executive Branch is causing.
The power of the purse and laws are the responsibility of the Congress.
President Obama cannot legally ignore laws he doesn’t like nor change laws unilaterally to suit his ideology.
This excerpt from George Washington Law University Professor Jonathan Turley highlights exactly what I am talking about. Turley is definitely NOT a conservative. He even wants some of what Obama is pushing but he wants it done constitutionally.
This is not about Dem or Rep. This is about us. The citizen. There is a process and it is not being followed. If you truly understand the constitution is for protecting you and I you will admit what President Obama and President Bush have done is verging on dangerous.
For example. What happens if some President in the future decides abortion of any kind is illegal? And if some woman was found “breaking the law” by having an abortion she could be thrown in jail because she “broke the law”
This is a very slippery slope. No matter how divided the congress is, their job is to work, compromise or not compromise and pass or not pass bills.
Dobro. Actually the House keeps passing bills and sending them to the Senate where they get killed by Herr Reid. So who is obstructing? Why won’t the Senate do their job?
Considering Paul Ryan and Patty Murray worked together on the budget and it passed, what obstruction is happening? Considering the Republicans said they were not going to fight raising the debt ceiling this time (10 Trillion more since Obama took over) who is obstructing?
Obviously you keep promoting stereotypes when I am trying to warn all of you that tyranny from a strong central government is encroaching on every single part of our lives. Except for the internet right now, where doesn’t the government have a say in our lives? HMMM?
So, what isn’t taxed? Anything we generally touch, taste, or feel has the sticky fingers of government involved. I am not against government, but I am more for your Liberty.
February 28, 2014 at 7:04 am #804835
HMC RichParticipantSince one of you calls me foolish but only cherry picks the data to suit their propaganda, kindly take a look at all of the presidents and their executive orders.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
Look at that data, person who shall not be named. Even the recent one term Democratic Presidents had almost as many Executive Orders as Bush and Reagan. Imagine that. But you didn’t include that, did you! So who is playing fast and loose with the facts. It is amazing that the Progressives (of both parties) seemed to have many E.O.’s. The data is fascinating.
February 28, 2014 at 11:14 am #804836
JanSParticipanthello, Mr. Rich…I posted the original link…we all have the list and we can all read it. Your original post was only about Obama, overstepping…so who’s playing fast and loose. Geez…
and I believe I said to look at Wilson , Coolidge, the Roosevelts…executive orders are nothing new…and with the congress that we have right now, more power to Obama for trying to get something done. Let’s see…what did they accomplish today…oh, yeah, voting against veterans(of which I’m one of)…all in a days work.
February 28, 2014 at 5:01 pm #804837
wakefloodParticipantI think it shows something about the power of $ and gerrymandering that a Congress with both historically low approval ratings AND one that actually boasts about doing nothing (R’s) is poised, yet again, to send the vast majority of them back to their cushy seats again this year.
Of course, that was the R’s plan (permanent majority) since the days of Lee Atwater. The question is, do we have the where-with-all to change it?
Rich, you might see this issue another way??? If yes, care to offer your version of how a universally panned and failed Congress gets re-elected cycle after cycle?
February 28, 2014 at 6:33 pm #804838
dobroParticipant“Even the recent one term Democratic Presidents had almost as many Executive Orders as Bush and Reagan.”
Funny how the original post was about Obama, but now that facts have entered into the discussion we’re including “recent Demo presidents”. I believe that’s called moving the goalposts.
“Actually the House keeps passing bills and sending them to the Senate where they get killed by Herr Reid.”
Please name 10 useful Republican passed bills, having nothing to do with repealing or obstructing Obamacare, that have been killed by “Herr” Reid. Bet you can’t.
Today’s headline from the Washington Examiner-
House GOP Will Vote (Again) To Delay Obamacare’s Individual Mandate
February 28, 2014 at 6:41 pm #804839
wakefloodParticipantHey Dobro, I can give you one that “Herr” Reid DIDN’T kill. The defunding of foodstamps and the refunding of Big Agra crop insurance!
And yes, that doesn’t fit your requirements of being killed OR useful but hey, you gotta’ look at the big picture. ;-)
February 28, 2014 at 11:45 pm #804840
JanSParticipantBlinded by ideology, Rich? Utter BS. Is that unlike you, who only presents “facts”? Who doesn’t have a one sided (right) view of things? No…I think both sides are equal on this. It’s a tiresome argument.
The rest of the presidents did it to cooperate and work with Congress for the good, but Obama is just evil and overstepping? Oh, pulllease !
March 1, 2014 at 12:42 am #804841
waynsterParticipantdon’t forget to give its an election year all look what you can get for your dollars…..lmao
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Grin_and_Bear_It/2014-02-21/
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Grin_and_Bear_It/2014-02-18/
March 1, 2014 at 1:03 am #804842
JoBParticipantHMC..
“This is a very slippery slope. No matter how divided the congress is, their job is to work, compromise or not compromise and pass or not pass bills.”
so when do you think they are going to start doing their job?
should we just wait?
maybe just maybe the President should do his job when Congress won’t do theirs
March 1, 2014 at 3:45 am #804843
JanSParticipantand, hey, they’re doing that “let’s get rid of Obamacare” thing again…..what’s this? #45 or so? Yeah…doing their work…give me an effing break. Voting against vets…now that’s doing their job ! They must be so proud.
Shall I go on?
March 1, 2014 at 6:14 am #804844
miwsParticipantMarch 1, 2014 at 7:27 am #804845
HMC RichParticipantHey, Dobro and JanS, apologies on missing Jan’s link. Dobro, I thought you were cherry picking but you were only trying to make a point. I missed it. I can admit my mistakes. But your list was skewed regardless.
But I still wonder why you won’t admit that the President is overstepping his boundaries and that the House and Senate for the most part are letting him.
Do you not hold the Constitution as the law of the land and our elected leaders?
Republican bills are not what Democrats want. They get killed as they go to the Senate. Harry Reid won’t let anything through unless it benefits Democrats. So no, there are not 10 bills that I know of. I am glad. I don’t want new laws passed unless there is a consensus.
Did Pelosi and Reid accept Republican bills when the Democrats were in the complete majority the first two years of the Presidents term? No they did not. Nothing!!!
So stop complaining about Congress. You had the first two years Once Mr. Obama got elected to get a bunch done and spending jumped immensely. Now because Obamacare is a disaster you are playing the income inequality card. Typical.
You are moving the goal posts to bringing up Congress. They are not breaking the law usually. It is not President Obama’s (Or Bush’s) job to go outside the Constitution no matter what agenda they have.
You have to ask yourself if you believe in the Separation of powers in the Constitution or not. It is very simple. Yes or No. Nothing else matters. Yes or No.
March 1, 2014 at 7:28 am #804846
HMC RichParticipantI repeat. Yes or No. There is not a middle ground here.
March 1, 2014 at 9:40 am #804847
JanSParticipanthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
https://www.votetocracy.com/blog/79/understanding-executive-orders-and-the-powers-they-grant
If he is breaking the law, then they all broke the law. Why do you insist on only speaking about Obama when speaking of executive order? You obviously were fine with them when other presidents were doing it…so whats so different this time?
Things are not black and white…there is some gray in there. If the things that the Republican led House sends the Senate would be different, they would give them more consideration…but, no, they get things like doing away with the ACA..
No middle ground? I believe some of us already answered your original question….but you don’t want to take that answer…you just want it your way..
March 1, 2014 at 9:42 am #804848
JanSParticipantand, dammit, Rich…yes, it jumped, because he added in the cost of two wars, which the president who shall not be named did not….
March 1, 2014 at 9:44 am #804849
JanSParticipantand throwing the constitution being the law of the land? Not when gun owners, NRA, etc., is interpreting the 2nd Amendment any way they choose (hint: A well regulated militia)(hint: that had nothing to do with present times)
March 1, 2014 at 3:21 pm #804850
JoBParticipantHMC..
congress makes laws
presidents set policies within federal agencies
one can only be overturned by litigation or legislation
the other can be overturned at the whim of the next president
and often is.
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