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  • #1029038

    Eddie
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    Tired of seeing so many scoflaws with expired vehicle registration tags? What would you think about requiring proof of current registration prior to being allowed to put gas/diesel in your car/truck?
    Seems like it would be reasonably easy to do and would minimize the burden on law enforcement.

    #1029063

    aa
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    So, the gas station attendants would be responsible? What about stations that only have one person inside a minimart? There are very few gas stations these days that have attendants out by the pumps. Can you imagine the lone Costco gas attendant having to look over every car before the driver pumps gas? Sorry I think your thought is far from ‘easy to do’. And if I am not mistaken, the city or some governmental agency just decided they weren’t going to fine people for not having current registration tabs. And it seems to be that the old beat-up vehicles that are housing people all over the city rarely move so they don’t even have the need or ability to pump gas. Back to the drawing board Eddie.

    #1029101

    Sue
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    First of all, why should any of us care about something like this when it doesn’t affect us? Secondly, it would definitely not be something reasonably easy to do. I am disabled and already can’t get someone to pump my gas for me (despite the ADA rules that say otherwise) unless I drive to Costco for gas. Would we all have to go line up inside the convenience store at the local gas station to have our cards checked? I think this would go just as well as how people reacted to having vaccine cards checked (which was not received well by many). And how many people do you think are actually driving around with expired tags? 50 or 100 people should wait online to prove they’re worthy so we can catch the 1 who isn’t?

    #1029162

    WS Res
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    And if I am not mistaken, the city or some governmental agency just decided they weren’t going to fine people for not having current registration tabs

    You are mistaken. They are not going to pull people over for the sole reason of having expired registration tabs. Not the same thing at all.

    #1029311

    anonyme
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    I don’t know how big a problem this is, but given Seattle’s reluctance to enforce most laws it might be bigger than you’d think. I know that I have neighbors whose multiple cars have all had Oregon tags for 15 years ++; different, but related. The issue is one of fairness; somebody has to pay, and those who don’t pay their fair share place the increased burden on everyone else. So yes, it does affect “us”. Nor do I understand why everyone is piling on Eddie. His gas station idea might not be the best or most workable, but the issue itself is as legitimate as any of the other rants posted in the forums. As Jort might point out, maybe it’s because Americans anthropomorphize their cars and get downright tetchy if anyone suggests putting constraints on that ‘relationship’.

    #1029239

    Abyss
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    Please imagine thi#. It’s about 11 pm, 2 “suspicious” looking vehicles with tinted windows stop by the Roxbury Safeway gas station. There’s a young attendant male/female forced to check for registration before gas is bought or risks loses his/her job. What do you think is going to happen to that employee after asking an aggressive customer for his/her registration?

    You are another breed of stupid if you think this is logical. Have you not been paying attention to the staff shortages? QFC can’t even stay open past 10 PM, store shelves aren’t stocked because there aren’t employees to stock them. Who’s going to check ID’s for alcohol purchases, lottery tickets, etc?
    Are you aware of nightly shootings downtown? Maybe some people are choosing to feed their children instead of paying their tabs because minimum wage doesn’t cut it and rent just increased. There isn’t government assistance for car registration except a $20 voucher and that’s a shitty rebate considering gas prices. Ever considered offering to pay someone’s registration? Or you can simply ignore those breaking the law because they’ll get caught anyway and stop coming up with stupid ideas.
    Don’t come at me.

    #1029359

    Eddie
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    So make it so the pump won’t start unless a current registration tag is scanned or photographed, using equipment installed at the pump.
    As someone mentioned, it does matter, because if people aren’t paying their fair share, they are screw8ng the rest of us.
    I for one, am tired of so many people effectively just giving the rest of us the finger. Not just talking about registration scoflaws, but gratuitous speeders, line cutters, window breakers, shoplifters, garbage dump urban campers, lying delusionary politicans, voter restrictions, etc. Etc. We are a country of rules and a recognition of the greater good, not just me, me, me.

    #1029360

    Eddie
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    And when did it become OK to be able bodied and not be expected to work to provide for yourself and family? I know you can’t enslave people and make them do labor, but if you’re capable of working there is an expectation you do so. If you need help, I (and society) are happy to help get you to a position where you can care for yourself. But we can’t tolerate you just camping around anywhere you like, garbaging up the place blowing off rules/laws and sponging off the rest of us. Need Training, transportation, day care, a bite to eat, temporary housing, a leg up, great, let’s get that going, but expect that you’re gonna have to get to work, providing for yourself, contributing to society.

    #1029365

    Eddie
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    If you honestly can’t afford to register your vehicle and pay taxes, then the state should work with you to take care of that. If you’re just too lazy, self important and disrespectful of the rest of us, then too bad, no gas for you.

    #1029401

    mark47n
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    This is shortsighted and doesn’t take into account the increasing number of electric vehicles on the road that pay exactly $0 in fuel taxes. My registration costs are minimal compared to the $.49/gal fuel tax. For my work truck that’s $15 per fill and road maintenance and projects are where those monies are supposed to go. Since electric vehicles make use of the same roads they short change the system. It’s one of the reasons that WA has considered piloting a per mile tax rather than fuel tax…although this also seems problematic in its implementation.

    There are many problems with trying to limit sales of fuel to vehicles based on registration and I have a hard time believing that this is such a widespread issue. Honestly, it’s hard enough to get anything done in this state with the roadblock we erect, let alone in the Seattle area.

    #1029455

    aa
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    Coming back and reading more of Eddies posts I relate to feeling so frustrated with all the awful circumstances we are subjected to in this city that we love. It seems to be falling apart in front of us. Garbage is the thing that I continue to feel so incredibly frustrated with. So as Eddie contemplates checking car registration at gas stations, I ponder the possible effect of posting photos of all the piles of Seattle garbage I pass every day. Day after day, sharing with others, this is Seattle. I’m not sure trying to shame the city would work but I can dream.
    And as Ukraine is being brutally attacked, my actual problems are few.

    #1029473

    makoniumlitus
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    It’s like Iraq and the reset of 2004 from 1991’s war. 59th

    #1029499

    skeeter
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    I like your idea Eddie. I don’t know if we’ll be able to implement it, but the basic idea is sound. Cars are big and powerful and deadly and heavy – society needs to regulate them. What bothers me more is vehicles and drivers who do not have (mandatory) insurance. A big part of my insurance premium is paying for the damage and injury caused by the 30(ish) percentage of drivers with no insurance. I would like to see more regulation of vehicles. I hope that technology will soon allow states to only allow a vehicle to be activated if it is (a) currently registered and (b) currently insured. Our streets will be so much safer. If people cannot afford registration and insurance on the car they can take transit, Uber, walk, or ask for rides from friends.

    #1029587

    aa
    Participant

    I’m curious about Skeeters comment correlating the safety of streets with car registration. I take that to mean you believe our streets are less safe because of people driving unregistered cars. Do you have data to back that up? It seems to me that the variety of reasons why people haven’t registered their cars would result in a wide variety of drivers, hard to determine in my opinion, if these people are more or less safe behind the wheel than registered drivers. Also, comment that our insurance rates are high because of unregistered drivers and the damage they cause, I know it’s a common belief, do you have proof?

    #1029718

    2 Much Whine
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    So I’ll have to buy and register a car just to get gas to put in my weed eater, lawn mower, boat, jetski or snowmobile? So if I’m hauling a licensed and registered snowmobile behind my truck with expired tabs you’re going to have the attendant monitor me to make sure I only put fuel in the licensed vehicle and not the unregistered one? I am pretty sure that the folks that voted for $35 tabs AND the outspoken folks that weren’t too happy about mask and vaccine mandates aren’t going to be too hip on having to follow directions from a 21 year old 7-11 clerk at 2 in the morning.

    I think your creative problem-solving energy might be better placed at trying to get folks to have actual readable license plates that aren’t covered with dark plastic, bike racks or missing entirely – at least that way they’d have to actually pay tolls when driving in the HOV lanes.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by 2 Much Whine.
    #1029744

    skeeter
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    Great questions aa. Here are my thoughts. Do I have data showing that drivers of unregistered cars are less safe? I do not. I suspect this to be the case but have no evidence. I also suspect that people driving without a valid license are less safe but again I have no data. Do I have data showing that uninsured drivers cause insurance rates to increase? Actually, I sort of do. I’m a State Farm auto customer. Itemized on my bill is the portion of my premium called “Uninsured/Under-insured.” I highly suspect State Farm has data that backs up this portion of my premium pays for the damage caused by drivers who either do not have insurance or who have inadequate insurance. Now I’m curious — do all insurance policies break this out?

    #1030638

    Lost in Thought
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    Eddie brings up a good point that would be moot with the tax per mile plan. The registered owner would be charged and no one at the gas station would need to check id’s. Then it would be the State’s problem to collect and enforce. Not sure how the state would charge out of state owners and unregistered vehicles.

    #1030642

    Sierra Pedraja
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    The privilege is blaring – taking the ability to drive away from someone who may be having a hard time paying for the fees?

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