Occupy Movement Now More Popular Than Tea Party

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  • #601011

    Yardvark
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    The most recent numbers from Pew put Occupy Wall Street ahead of the Tea Party in the polls.

    http://www.people-press.org/2011/10/24/public-divided-over-occupy-wall-street-movement/?

    Maybe OWS will have an even greater effect and actually bring about some real progress!

    #738456

    csw2119
    Participant

    Interesting!

    I have great hopes for this movement. The fact that it is international is mind blowing! I would like to see the movement become more focused on the top several issues. I’ll be at Westlake on Sat. in support.

    #738457

    Yardvark
    Member

    It does look like everyone is starting to focus and really deal with the issues head on. It’s pretty interesting to see these issues addressed with the Occupy system of consensus, as it definitely provokes more thought that just the old, broken way of Democrats and Republicans fighting among themselves.

    Good to see that the people are actually getting involved in the discussion again and realizing that their voices count.

    #738458

    JoB
    Participant

    It’s good to know that consensus is not a lost art

    #738459

    bnoyes
    Member

    It’s good to see that the genuine movement is more popular than the manufactured one.

    #738460

    Smitty
    Participant

    I am curious where these numbers stand in three years. I am sure the TP numbers were pretty high after the first couple of weeks as well.

    I think it’s not even a 50/50 bet that OWS will even exist in one year, let alone three. It may pick up steam if Obama loses though.

    #738461

    Yardvark
    Member

    I’d say it’s extremely likely that these ideas are here to stay. There’s just no going back now. I think everyone really hopes that, a year from now, people won’t still have to camp outside in the cold and rain just to try get their voices heard. Obviously, this upcoming year will need to provide some dramatic changes in our politics and our economy.

    #738462

    kootchman
    Member

    yes, we do need some very dramatic changes in our politics and economy. Let’s see if the movement is as effective as the TEA party was/is.

    #738463

    DBP
    Member

    Something big will be happening here in mid-November. Not allowed to tell you what it is . . .

    Notice how the Seattle Times keeps trying to pronounce the Occupy Seattle movement dead, and every time they do, the Movement keeps coming back. From the grave as it were.

    How appropriate for the season.

    #738464

    dawsonct
    Participant

    Gotta do something big for N30 this year, though it would be great if the anarchists would stay on the sideline this time. They set this movement back about 20 years.

    #738465

    JoB
    Participant

    Dawsoncourt

    Agreed

    #738466

    DP
    Member

    dawsonct: Whom do you mean by anarchists, exactly? Surely you don’t mean these cool kids . . .

    If you mean “people who smash windows and throw rocks at cops” that’s fine. Just say that. But please consider that not ALL anarchists do stuff like that.

    And even if they did, I would still argue that it is not THEY who set the movement back.

    What set the movement back is apathetic people.

    What set the movement back is people who wouldn’t join in because to do so would mean they might incur some discomfort and inconvenience.

    I see hundreds of people just like that every time I stand out there for peace at the Junction.

    Ha-RUMPF!

    #738467

    Yardvark
    Member

    Apathy is definitely the biggest threat to our country. If you support (or even oppose) the Occupy movement and haven’t gotten out there yet, time to get going on it.

    As much as I disagreed with many of the Tea Party’s opinions, I found it really inspiring that so many people were finally waking up and demanding to be a part of the process.

    Unfortunately, the Tea Party movement seemed to make a mistake by handing over its reigns to Republicans. I’m kinda hoping that slip up is soon corrected.

    I also see the Occupy movement having a lot more potential than the Tea Party since the main objective isn’t just to get folks elected or put a wrench in the works.

    The benefit of a leaderless movement is that success isn’t simply determined by someone’s victorious election. It’s determined by actual change and improvement to our country. And, in that way, the burden is on all of us.

    #738468

    Jiggers
    Member

    Nothing going on at Westlake Park this morning. Empty! Only the police hanging around. Go corporate stop the stupidity. Its the new America. Move on!

    #738469

    inactive
    Member

    Not quite Jiggers.

    The camp is moving to Seattle Central Community College on Cap Hill.

    #738470

    Jiggers
    Member

    Who cares about over there. Corporate machines surround Westlake Park.

    #738471

    inactive
    Member

    They have been given the OK to camp there. SCCC says, according to WAC, it is legal to do so on campus.

    #738472

    Jiggers
    Member

    I heard earlier this week they said it wasn’t legal to camp.

    #738473

    Yardvark
    Member

    Westlake is pretty packed at the moment. Where are you, Jiggers?

    The camp will be over at SCCC but a lot of the daytime activities will continue at Westlake. SCCC said it was the people’s constitutional right to assemble and camp. Why doesn’t our Mayor know that?

    #738474

    dawsonct
    Participant

    DP, I just think the WTO protests would have been more effective and reached more sympathizers of it stayed a protest, instead of devolving into a riot. Because of the unnecessary actions of a self-identified anarchists group, I feel that a message of the dangers of globalization was lost in the haze of tear gas.

    Had the demonstration stayed at a level of passive resistance, I feel the point would have been made much more effectively.

    I DO think that anarchy, like libertarianism, is a Utopian fantasy.

    Also, is there something specific about those young men that identifies them as anarchists? If so, please enlighten me, since I am not seeing it.

    #738475

    Shfy1
    Member

    http://youtu.be/2JlxbKtBkGM

    i like the logic of just sending the junk mail back to them. for those who cannot get downtown or want to do a little bit more.

    #738476

    JoB
    Participant

    Yardvark..

    the tea party didn’t hand it’s reins over to anyone…

    they were held by the Koch brothers financing from day one…

    DP.. and not all hippies were pot smoking, dirty bums…

    but those who were sure made it easy to write everyone else off.

    Rioting will never produce anything other than over-reaction from authority.. which btw is exactly what those who incite riot count on.

    i don’t know why they haven’t figured out yet that while they may win short term concessions that way.. they lose their message every time:(

    #738477

    Yardvark
    Member

    The Tea Party mighta been helped along by financing from the Kochs and coverage from Fox, but there were genuine Americans involved as well, who were really trying to stand up for something. Those genuine Americans seemed to loose their battle the day they decided on propped up candidates and leaders. The Kochs easily took it from there.

    #738478

    kootchman
    Member

    Hey JoB .. you and Dave Koch have a falling out? . There are so many people trying to “shape” the WS street message. It’s a grand festival of activists of every stripe hoping they can hijack a message trend. This was Obama’s core constituents, his army, and they aren’t out knocking on doors, organizing van pools, running those phones. Labor and liberals are trying to get this “collection” to speak with a “clear” message. Theirs.

    #738479

    JoB
    Participant

    kootch..

    dave and i were never on speaking terms

    works for me:)

    as for the OWS movemnt..

    you can’t shape what hasn’t yet been written

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