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October 25, 2011 at 7:19 pm #601011
YardvarkMemberThe most recent numbers from Pew put Occupy Wall Street ahead of the Tea Party in the polls.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/10/24/public-divided-over-occupy-wall-street-movement/?
Maybe OWS will have an even greater effect and actually bring about some real progress!
October 27, 2011 at 5:30 pm #738456
csw2119ParticipantInteresting!
I have great hopes for this movement. The fact that it is international is mind blowing! I would like to see the movement become more focused on the top several issues. I’ll be at Westlake on Sat. in support.
October 28, 2011 at 7:27 pm #738457
YardvarkMemberIt does look like everyone is starting to focus and really deal with the issues head on. It’s pretty interesting to see these issues addressed with the Occupy system of consensus, as it definitely provokes more thought that just the old, broken way of Democrats and Republicans fighting among themselves.
Good to see that the people are actually getting involved in the discussion again and realizing that their voices count.
October 28, 2011 at 7:34 pm #738458
JoBParticipantIt’s good to know that consensus is not a lost art
October 28, 2011 at 7:52 pm #738459
bnoyesMemberIt’s good to see that the genuine movement is more popular than the manufactured one.
October 28, 2011 at 9:22 pm #738460
SmittyParticipantI am curious where these numbers stand in three years. I am sure the TP numbers were pretty high after the first couple of weeks as well.
I think it’s not even a 50/50 bet that OWS will even exist in one year, let alone three. It may pick up steam if Obama loses though.
October 28, 2011 at 9:29 pm #738461
YardvarkMemberI’d say it’s extremely likely that these ideas are here to stay. There’s just no going back now. I think everyone really hopes that, a year from now, people won’t still have to camp outside in the cold and rain just to try get their voices heard. Obviously, this upcoming year will need to provide some dramatic changes in our politics and our economy.
October 28, 2011 at 11:24 pm #738462
kootchmanMemberyes, we do need some very dramatic changes in our politics and economy. Let’s see if the movement is as effective as the TEA party was/is.
October 29, 2011 at 12:16 am #738463
DBPMemberSomething big will be happening here in mid-November. Not allowed to tell you what it is . . .
Notice how the Seattle Times keeps trying to pronounce the Occupy Seattle movement dead, and every time they do, the Movement keeps coming back. From the grave as it were.
How appropriate for the season.
October 29, 2011 at 1:44 am #738464
dawsonctParticipantGotta do something big for N30 this year, though it would be great if the anarchists would stay on the sideline this time. They set this movement back about 20 years.
October 29, 2011 at 2:03 am #738465
JoBParticipantOctober 29, 2011 at 2:39 am #738466
DPMemberdawsonct: Whom do you mean by anarchists, exactly? Surely you don’t mean these cool kids . . .
If you mean “people who smash windows and throw rocks at cops” that’s fine. Just say that. But please consider that not ALL anarchists do stuff like that.
And even if they did, I would still argue that it is not THEY who set the movement back.
What set the movement back is apathetic people.
What set the movement back is people who wouldn’t join in because to do so would mean they might incur some discomfort and inconvenience.
I see hundreds of people just like that every time I stand out there for peace at the Junction.
Ha-RUMPF!
October 29, 2011 at 4:00 pm #738467
YardvarkMemberApathy is definitely the biggest threat to our country. If you support (or even oppose) the Occupy movement and haven’t gotten out there yet, time to get going on it.
As much as I disagreed with many of the Tea Party’s opinions, I found it really inspiring that so many people were finally waking up and demanding to be a part of the process.
Unfortunately, the Tea Party movement seemed to make a mistake by handing over its reigns to Republicans. I’m kinda hoping that slip up is soon corrected.
I also see the Occupy movement having a lot more potential than the Tea Party since the main objective isn’t just to get folks elected or put a wrench in the works.
The benefit of a leaderless movement is that success isn’t simply determined by someone’s victorious election. It’s determined by actual change and improvement to our country. And, in that way, the burden is on all of us.
October 29, 2011 at 6:33 pm #738468
JiggersMemberNothing going on at Westlake Park this morning. Empty! Only the police hanging around. Go corporate stop the stupidity. Its the new America. Move on!
October 29, 2011 at 6:46 pm #738469
inactiveMemberOctober 29, 2011 at 7:17 pm #738470
JiggersMemberWho cares about over there. Corporate machines surround Westlake Park.
October 29, 2011 at 7:30 pm #738471
inactiveMemberThey have been given the OK to camp there. SCCC says, according to WAC, it is legal to do so on campus.
October 29, 2011 at 8:22 pm #738472
JiggersMemberI heard earlier this week they said it wasn’t legal to camp.
October 29, 2011 at 8:33 pm #738473
YardvarkMemberWestlake is pretty packed at the moment. Where are you, Jiggers?
The camp will be over at SCCC but a lot of the daytime activities will continue at Westlake. SCCC said it was the people’s constitutional right to assemble and camp. Why doesn’t our Mayor know that?
October 30, 2011 at 3:17 am #738474
dawsonctParticipantDP, I just think the WTO protests would have been more effective and reached more sympathizers of it stayed a protest, instead of devolving into a riot. Because of the unnecessary actions of a self-identified anarchists group, I feel that a message of the dangers of globalization was lost in the haze of tear gas.
Had the demonstration stayed at a level of passive resistance, I feel the point would have been made much more effectively.
I DO think that anarchy, like libertarianism, is a Utopian fantasy.
Also, is there something specific about those young men that identifies them as anarchists? If so, please enlighten me, since I am not seeing it.
October 30, 2011 at 5:15 am #738475
Shfy1Memberi like the logic of just sending the junk mail back to them. for those who cannot get downtown or want to do a little bit more.
October 30, 2011 at 6:05 pm #738476
JoBParticipantYardvark..
the tea party didn’t hand it’s reins over to anyone…
they were held by the Koch brothers financing from day one…
DP.. and not all hippies were pot smoking, dirty bums…
but those who were sure made it easy to write everyone else off.
Rioting will never produce anything other than over-reaction from authority.. which btw is exactly what those who incite riot count on.
i don’t know why they haven’t figured out yet that while they may win short term concessions that way.. they lose their message every time:(
October 30, 2011 at 11:23 pm #738477
YardvarkMemberThe Tea Party mighta been helped along by financing from the Kochs and coverage from Fox, but there were genuine Americans involved as well, who were really trying to stand up for something. Those genuine Americans seemed to loose their battle the day they decided on propped up candidates and leaders. The Kochs easily took it from there.
October 31, 2011 at 12:28 am #738478
kootchmanMemberHey JoB .. you and Dave Koch have a falling out? . There are so many people trying to “shape” the WS street message. It’s a grand festival of activists of every stripe hoping they can hijack a message trend. This was Obama’s core constituents, his army, and they aren’t out knocking on doors, organizing van pools, running those phones. Labor and liberals are trying to get this “collection” to speak with a “clear” message. Theirs.
October 31, 2011 at 4:40 am #738479
JoBParticipantkootch..
dave and i were never on speaking terms
works for me:)
as for the OWS movemnt..
you can’t shape what hasn’t yet been written
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