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March 13, 2008 at 3:15 pm #586552
JoBParticipantIt seems that John McCain in consistent…
he managed to dodge the bullet for his heavy handed influence peddaling for lobbyists in the broadcasting fiasco by getting indignant about innuedos concerning a possible sexual realtionship.. but this one may be harder…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/11/mccain-received-defense-f_n_90951.html
March 13, 2008 at 5:28 pm #618348
JoBParticipantfor a good time… put McCain and lobbyists into google search…
this pops up
a lot more interesting stuff pops up if you keep digging through.. McCains private love affair with lobbyists .. while waging his public battle.. extends back beyond the Keating scandal…
Unlike the Bush crowd.. he doesn’t discriminate:)
March 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm #618349
AnonymousInactiveI hate the argument that “because McCain was a POW for such a long time and endured torture, he must be unstable”. He has been in public office since 1983. I would think if he were mentally unstable, he wouldn’t be where he is today.
And, furthermore, because he went through what he went through, and is where he is today, says a lot about him.
March 13, 2008 at 5:55 pm #618350
AnonymousInactiveBtw, JoB, is this the worst you can dig up? I think that’s pretty impressive.
March 13, 2008 at 6:53 pm #618351
JoBParticipantno newresident.. no fisherman starts with the most expensive lures ;0
as for the instability argument… ask anyone who has suffered one of his fits of anger… the man has a short fuse and doesn’t suffer challenge well…
anger management disorders are a hallmark PTSD.. i think i may not be getting the initials right.. but the disorder caused by a delayed reaction to stress…
how does that bode for 3 AM?
March 13, 2008 at 7:22 pm #618352
AnonymousInactiveSo, McCain gets angry easily. So does my Dad. But he’s a great, great man and has had an amazing life. He lives on the beach now and surfs every morning. I truly admire him.
McCain knows that he has had anger management issues in the past and he has continually strived to better himself. Believe me, that is not a very big deal. And these are not very detrimental issues you are bringing up. Leads me to conclude that there isn’t much dirt to dig up.
March 13, 2008 at 7:31 pm #618353
JoBParticipanton reading another story.. i came across this one… another huffington link. why haven’t i been reading tis site more often?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/mccain-received-100000-_n_86245.html
March 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm #618354
JoBParticipantMcCain’s co-chair of his Arizona campaign until feb 22… this year..
“Republican Rep. Rick Renzi has been indicted for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other charges related to a land deal in Arizona. A 26-page federal indictment unsealed in Arizona accuses Renzi and two former business partners of conspiring to promote the sale of land that buyers could swap for property owned by the federal government. The sale netted one of Renzi’s former partners $4.5 million.”
March 13, 2008 at 8:28 pm #618355
JoBParticipantthanks new resident for an entertaining couple of hours tiptoeing thru the internet with John McCain…
this is why he hasn’t worried much about lackluster campaign donations..
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/MutualFunds/McCainsWifeControlsFamilysRiches.aspx
we’ll look at his rage later…
maybe he should take up surfing? Just joking.. as someone with physical issues i am well aware it isn’t one of his possibilities.
March 13, 2008 at 9:12 pm #618356
beachdrivegirlParticipantMarch 13, 2008 at 10:29 pm #618357
AnonymousInactiveBDG – In response to your link, please refer to that article in the Wall Street Journal titled “Obama on Offense”. Michelle Obama’s idea for national defense is to “change the conversation” instead of “protecting ourselves against terrorism”.
That’s pretty scary.
I think when it comes to national security and we have to choose between one extreme or the other, I would definitely choose McCain.
March 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm #618358
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl…
that article does bring up some interesting points…
and it’s not hard to find a lot of them just like that one…
i had far too much fun.. i think i will go find something useful to do:)
March 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm #618359
JanSParticipantwell, let’s state the obvious here…Michelle Obama is NOT going to be the president, just as Bill isn’t going to be, and Cindy McCain isn’t going to be…so what she says in that vein isn’t something to be scared about…we all say what we think should be different about national defense, terrorism, foreign policy….scrutinize them, I suppose, but don’t be scared.
Scared to me is staying in Iraq, depleting our military and money ad infinitum (what did McCain say about 100 years?)…scary to me is looking at a foreign country, even one gone awry, and singing a cute little ditty about “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”
That shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone…but we should cut him a break because why? he says he was just joking? he’s a war hero? no, I don’t think so…
what if Hillary Clinton had said those things? Barack Obama? everyone would be incensed…
March 13, 2008 at 10:55 pm #618360
beachdrivegirlParticipantVery good point JanS. And to me National Security is not a joke.
March 13, 2008 at 11:09 pm #618361
AnonymousInactiveI agree JanS. And, no, of course Michele Obama won’t be president, but her opinions and views are very telling. She has stated that she isn’t even “proud” of her country.
As far as war, or course we should pull out. The problem is there is a right way and a wrong way to do that. McCain supports doing it the right way.
National security is not a joke to anybody. But just “changing the conversation” is not the answer. How naive.
March 13, 2008 at 11:59 pm #618362
JoBParticipantchanging the conversation might be part of the answer… we don’t seem to be having the right one now.
March 14, 2008 at 12:07 am #618363
AnonymousInactiveYou honestly think it is possible to sit down and have a conversation with a terrorist?
Maybe I’m being too literal (I usually am), but these are people that HATE us and want to kill us. Talking and conversing is NOT the answer.
March 14, 2008 at 12:39 am #618364
WSMomParticipantSo bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran (or “terrorist”) is the answer? If we dehumanize a human being by labeling them a terrorist, refuse to “talk” with them or even acknowledge their humanity, assume they HATE and want to kill us, the eventuality is to, I suppose, KILL or imprison them. Then we’re no better than the Nazi’s.
March 14, 2008 at 12:43 am #618365
AnonymousInactiveIf you think sitting down and talking to these extremist groups is the answer, you are sorely naive. Let me ask you, why, then we never did that in the first place? It has NEVER been an option!
And, FYI, it is not us that refuses to talk to them. These people DO want to kill us, all of us. So, sorry, but that bleeding heart b.s. about, “let’s just sit down and have a nice chat”, is so incredibly ridiculous!
March 14, 2008 at 12:54 am #618366
AnonymousInactiveAnd as far as why didn’t we sit these terrorist down and talk instead of going to war, it’s very easy to blame Bush and start hollering that he just wanted to toss bombs around. Unless you were there when all this was decided, you have no idea what other options were looked at. Obviously, those other options were not very good ones. Look where we are.
But don’t just point your finger and start blaming Republicans for our country being at war. If there was another way, I’m sure we would have done that.
But I can tell you, sitting down for a nice little chat is not and never was an option.
March 14, 2008 at 1:07 am #618367
JoBParticipantnew resident.. i fear for your blood pressure…
who are “these people”.. because unless i have missed something really important.. . and i doubt that i have… those who actually live in the middle east are as concerned about the terrorists killing their own people as we are.
and that’s who we would be talking with.
we imposed our agenda there… without asking them what they wanted. And i am talking about their governments.. not the terrorists in their midsts.
i wonder why i am still repeating this.. but there were no terrorists in Iraq under Saddam. he didn’t allow any competition. we opened the door and invited them in with our aggression.
we are not good guests. And we aren’t good guests now…
our military are for the most part really good people who are trying to do the best for the Iraqi citizens caught in this crossfire.. but it is a crossfire… and not of their making.
George W Bush put American soldiers in harms way.. and all he created was another never-ending battlefield… 4,000 and counting…
we are less safe from terrorists now than we were then because we have been expending money, effort and american lives trying to re stabilize a country that we destabilized.
You have been watching fox news too long… that stuff will rot your brain.
terrorists aren’t just killing americans you know.. (or maybe you didn’t).
the governments of the middle east have just as much reason to want this conflict resolved and the terrorists gone as we do… in fact, they have far more reason than we do. Talking with them just might be a start.
March 14, 2008 at 1:17 am #618368
JoBParticipantnew resident..
there is nowhere to point that finger than at George W Bush…
he did not pursue Al Quaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan where they could actually be found…
Remember, Al Quadea (not Iraq) attacked us…
He invaded Iraq on the flimsiest intelligence around for reasons that had nothing to do with AlQuada.
that’s what happens when you ask for your people to support your opinions instead of asking them for unbiased info… you get crap!
but it sure supports your opinions…
sorry.. i like you.. but this is why it is so important to democrats to elect one of their own… now. Before the next round starts and we find ourselves in Iran for the same “good” reasons.
My hubby is sure we are well on our way now with the last resignation … and i fear he is right.
Invading Iran won’t fight terrorists either.. at least not those that attacked us…
but heck.. if you call them terrorists, you can attack anyone. right?
March 14, 2008 at 2:19 am #618369
WSMomParticipantNewResident: Have you read the book “Three Cups of Tea”? I have a copy I would love to give to you (if you’re interested I could bring it on Sunday).
“Three Cups of Tea is one of the most remarkable adventure stories of our time. Greg Mortenson’s dangerous and difficult quest to build schools in the wildest parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan is not only a thrilling read, it’s proof that one ordinary person, with the right combination of character and determination, really can change the world.†-Tom Brokaw
This book does a wonderful job of illustrating one way we can win the war on terror without killing anyone.
March 14, 2008 at 4:57 am #618370
beachdrivegirlParticipantI think both Clinton and Obama realize we can not just pull the troops out and we will all move on without a beat. However, they have to appeal to a wide range of individuals and not all of these individuals are educated so not every one of them understands that pulling out of the war is a loooong process. Secondly, maybe is it wrong that Michele Obama isnt proud of her country but you know what i am not either. When I graduated from college two years ago I traveled for 8 weeks in Australia and 3 weeks in Europe…after my first week in Australia (right after Bush got elected for his second term) I realized something the world thought we were stupid! For my sanity and possible my safety i had to put a Canadian patch on my backpack so i could find people to be social with. So, yes I was not proud of our country at that time; however, since that time have tried to find ways to become proud and move past it.
March 14, 2008 at 1:32 pm #618371
charlabobParticipantThis is what we’ve come to, with the encouragement of the Fox spin machine and the bozos who’ve run the country for the past 8 years: we can dismiss diplomacy as “Sitting down and having a chat.”
Nope, that’s not what it is. Colin Powell certainly knew better and I suspect Condi Rice does, though you wouldn’t know it from what she says.
I hope at least some of the electorate does, as well. I know the folks here do :-)
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