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May 16, 2008 at 4:23 pm #621174
beachdrivegirlParticipantJoB the reason why I post so much is to edcuate the lurkers because often you misrepresent the facts. Furthermore, I think you are condecending yourself when you say it is okay and part of a campaign for Clinton to speak poorly about Obama but the moment we(Obama supporters) bring up the lies and weaknesses of Clinton you freak out. Enough is enough you cant have it both ways.
May 16, 2008 at 6:00 pm #621175
Tonya42MemberMay 16, 2008 at 6:18 pm #621176
AnonymousInactiveI’m just going to interject here to enlighten some of you that, charla, being a Democrat and myself, being Republican, have great conversations.
We don’t agree on (almost) everything, yet I consider her a friend.
The same is true of JT and BDG.
There is a mutual respect that we all observe with each other, regardless of our political views.
So, whatever it’s worth, I wanted to defend charla in the sense that, to say anyone who disagrees with her, she attacks, is not accurate.
I felt that it was okay to post this, considering it didn’t have anything to do with politics, rather the character of someone I admire.
Carry on…..
May 16, 2008 at 6:53 pm #621177
KenParticipantAnd in other news related to west seattle…
McDermott endorses Obama
Democrat says he believes candidate will end war in Iraq
P-I STAFF
Rep. Jim McDermott on Thursday became the fourth U.S. House member from Washington to endorse Barack Obama for president.
The Seattle congressman said Obama is his pick because “I am confident as president he will end the war in Iraq and bring our sons and daughters home.”
McDermott has represented Seattle for 19 years and is one of the more liberal voices in the Democrats’ House caucus. He is the last House member from this state to declare his support for a presidential candidate.
McDermott joins at least five other Washington superdelegates who have endorsed Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination: Gov. Chris Gregoire; Reps. Rick Larsen, Adam Smith and Brian Baird; and Pat Notter, a member of the Democratic National Committee.
Sen. Hillary Clinton has the support of five of the state’s superdelegates: Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, Reps. Norm Dicks and Jay Inslee, and King County Executive Ron Sims.
The state has six uncommitted superdelegates: former U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley; state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz; state party Vice Chairwoman Eileen Macoll; Democratic National Committee member Ed Cote; Democratic National Committee member Sharon Mast; and Democratic National Committee member David McDonald.
Obama won Washington’s caucuses earlier this year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/363348_mcdermott16.html
Jim was an early Clinton supporter and Bill Clinton headlined a fundraiser for his legal defense.
I expect this move heralds a stampede between now and June 3rd.
May 20, 2008 at 1:30 am #621178
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/hillary-clintons-defeat-a_b_102418.html
JoB:
I know Arianna is not your favorite, but I think you’ll like this article.
This is my favorite part: “Blitzer asked Clinton about what it’s been like having Chelsea on the trail campaigning with her. Clinton, choking up, replied: “Well, it’s one of the most incredibly gratifying experiences of my life, as a person and as a mother. I get very emotional. She is an exceptional person, and she’s worked so hard, and she’s done such a good job that I’m just filled with pride every time I look at her.”
And just as Hillary started tearing up, I realized I was too. This has been an election where, even more than usual, the personal and the political have been constantly overlapping. And my feelings as I watched that interview were no exception.”
So Jo, I miss reading your posts and hope you’re having fun in the sun!!!
May 20, 2008 at 1:59 am #621179
JanSParticipantremember…Arianna Huffington tomorrow night 05/20 7pm, Seattle Town Hall, 8th and Seneca…5 bucks at the door….get there early :)
I’d be there if I could be…body not cooperating yet :)
May 23, 2008 at 11:12 pm #621180
walfredoMemberMay 24, 2008 at 1:01 pm #621181
KayleighMemberNice one, Hillary. Is there anything she *won’t* say to justify her selfishness?
Matt Taibbi really nails the Hillary/Obama thing at a cultural level….this is the best analysis I’ve read yet.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/14446
“Pitted against physical beauty and inspirational rhetoric, Hillary made herself the champion of everything stylistically ordinary, superficially unimpressive and ignored. And while her opponent won all the attention and admiration, all the teen-idol gushings of the beautiful people, she went for something deeper — resentment at the lack of those same things. “
May 24, 2008 at 6:42 pm #621182
AnonymousInactiveKayleigh, thanks for the link. Thought he nailed it too. Makes you think nothing’s going to change though, and I don’t know how both sides are going to come together.
The RFK thing is being blown out of proportion, IMO. Stupid, stupid thing to say. Bringing up assassinations in this climate when Obama has already been getting threats. Still, just a case of trying to make a point and poorly choosing her words. Kind of like Obama and the gun toting bible thumpers.
RFK JR, who supports Hillary, went on the news and said it didn’t bother him, so why should it bother us.
May 24, 2008 at 6:59 pm #621183
JanSParticipantthanks, JT…moment of sanity. I understood what she was saying…she said it once before. I have never felt that she should pull out…almost a slap in the face who have stood by her during the primary season….it’s over when it’s over, I say.
But it sure helped a slow media day, didn’t it?
May 24, 2008 at 7:48 pm #621184
bcollinsMemberBringing up the RFK topic and assassination when you are running against a person who is ( in some light ) viewed as a black leader ( even though he has not taken on this label himself) is more than stupid. This country doesn’t have a great record with black leaders on a national level. This, the South Carolina spat and the “hard working white” comments can justifiably be viewed as a pattern. Do I think Hilly is a racist? No. I see her as one who is taking political advantage of race.
May 24, 2008 at 8:42 pm #621185
beachdrivegirlParticipantThis was not even the first time she brought up RFK and the assassination. It was actually mentioned on 5/07/08 too. She has *tried* to claim that she made this *slip up* because the Kennedy name has been on her mind since the seizure however; 5/07/08 is prior to the seizure. Keith Olbermann brought up so many examples that she could have used that would have avoided the dreadful word assassination but she chose not to Then she gives a half a ** apology because the truth is she does not see anything wrong with her comments. So classless.
May 24, 2008 at 8:46 pm #621186
JanSParticipantbcollins…she is definitely taking political advantage of race…that’s what politicians do. it is most unfortunate that she said this when she did…well, that she said it period. It can be a thought, but sometimes you have to realize that you simply can’t verbalize those things …ever. It’s a great insight into the candidate, even if she says it was a faux pas, and didn’t mean it like it came out. I simply don’t want this to be again, the topic that leaves the real conversation in the dust.
They are all politicians and subject to gaffes..I’m sure that now she’s “apologized”, that she wishes it would just blow away. I’m sure this will become a point in the campaighs…
May 24, 2008 at 9:58 pm #621187
AnonymousInactiveI agree that this was way out of line. I don’t think any one would dispute it was a huge mistake. She could have even still used RFK with different wording. I’m just in the Jan camp. *I simply don’t want this to be again, the topic that leaves the real conversation in the dust.*
When you have every word you say dissected during an exhausting months long campaign, you are going to screw up. I’m surprised there hasn’t been worse, on both sides, sooner. I am supporting Obama, but unlike some others, I don’t think Hillary is evil.
May 24, 2008 at 10:45 pm #621188
KayleighMemberI just can’t cut Hillary any slack on this one. I agree with Olbermann, who was as thoroughly disgusted and angry as I’ve seen him.
That is a dark fear every American has. Was she sick the day they discussed assassinations in high school?
I think if she really doesn’t get why she was wrong, she doesn’t deserve to wipe Obama’s boots.
May 24, 2008 at 11:02 pm #621189
AnonymousInactiveI have a feeling she gets it now:) And it’s also probably her macaca moment. I guess I just want to get past all this as soon as possible so we can concentrate on getting a democrat elected.
May 25, 2008 at 5:31 am #621190
JanSParticipantone of the things that I have thought about since this happened is her viability as a running mate for Obama…not gonna happen now. This is out there…it’s part of the world, floating around in the air…and while we “get it”…there’s always that little faction that doesn’t, and heaven forbid…take it to heart. G-d, I even hated saying that, let alone think it…but…
May 25, 2008 at 5:58 am #621191
AlkiParticipantHillary is awesome! I admire a tough woman!
May 25, 2008 at 12:40 pm #621192
KayleighMemberNice sensitivity, there, Alki. Are you actually following the thread?
Hillary’s tough all right. And morally bankrupt.
May 25, 2008 at 4:27 pm #621193
charlabobParticipantWhen I was still on the fence, I could imagine a dream ticket. As Clinton became more devisive and more indecipherable (to me), that became less appealing.
Even then, when people claimed the Clintons wanted to destroy Obama’s chances in 2008 so they could grab it all in 2012, I didn’t quite believe it. Now? It’s not so hard to believe.
Do I think Clinton is stirring up the racist crowd to get Obama killed? Nope — it’s too ugly to imagine. But a month ago, I wouldn’t have imagined where we are now.
Frankly, segments of the US population never “got over” racism — it just became less fashionable to express. Clinton and Clinton and their henchpeople have, once again, made it possible for overt racism to come out of the closet. I will never forgive them for that.
May 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm #621194
bcollinsMemberI think the real conversation about Hilly is her blind need for the presidency. She will do and say anthing. Although I’m certain the Obama campaign has it’s blind passion as well…I see a significantly greater quality of individual in him. This is not about being a weak or strong woman.
May 25, 2008 at 11:24 pm #621195
beachdrivegirlParticipantbcollins i could not agree more.
May 28, 2008 at 7:46 am #621196
JanSParticipantso…a late night thought…I seem to have a lot lately..but thought I’d share this and ask how people feel about it. If Hillary Clinton does not get the Dem. nomination, how about she be in line for Secretary of Health and Human Services? I think it’s perfect for her, considering her interest in health care, etc. etc….
any thoughts?
May 28, 2008 at 8:42 am #621197
JiggersMemberThis site has too many whacko’s if you ask me. I noticed a lot of Veggie type people like to hangout here.
May 28, 2008 at 12:27 pm #621198
KayleighMemberThis site has too many “whacko’s” if you ask me. I noticed a lot of people typing their resumes on paper and eating steak.
Hey Jan—I think she would be good with a cabinet position like that, if Obama can stand the sight of her by then. Of course, he is said to be even-tempered, so maybe he will. If so, he’s a far better person than I am. Come to think of it, he’s already far better.
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