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March 21, 2008 at 2:58 pm #617467
JoBParticipantObama is apparently in favor of a superdelegate primary…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/20/obama-expresses-support-f_n_92532.html
I hate to say this..
for a campaign which repeatedly attacks Hillary for not following the rules..
he has certainly tried to get the DNC to change it’s rules repeatedly…
March 21, 2008 at 3:12 pm #617468
beachdrivegirlParticipantBill Richardson to endorse Obama! This is huge! By having the Hispanic governor endorsing Obama is a great great thing!
March 21, 2008 at 3:31 pm #617469
JoBParticipanti decided to look for who actualy broke the reverend wright story.. and no suprise.. it was FOX… and then FOX flamed the story on Hammity and Holmes…
but in the process, i came across this blog which i found pretty thought provoking….
http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/03/rev-wright-and-obama.html
you might want to take a look. for the most part.. it and the comments at least start out thoughtful and thought provoking…
March 21, 2008 at 3:36 pm #617470
JoBParticipantMarch 21, 2008 at 4:11 pm #617471
walfredoMemberhttp://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
Kind of shocking… The most controversial statement made right after 9/11 by Rev. Wright; was a direct quote from a Reagan official given on Fox News earlier in the week, and was credited as such immediately after the sound bite shown on TV ended…
I don’t agree with a lot of his points, but its pretty clear that this was not nearly the sermon that it has been portrayed as… In my opinion, saying that our history of attacking those with less power might be the cause of the hatred of our country by some, and this is a time where self-reflection is important; is not on the same planet of offensiveness as Reverend Fallwell and Pat Robertson’s suggestion the same week that “the gays, and secularists, and abortionists of this country have taken us out of god’s good graces and caused this tragedy to happen.†On top of being more offensive, it is much less factually based, and doesn’t provide any supporting information…
Please pay attention to what is happening. Did anyone here realize that Rev. Wright was giving a direct quote of a Reagan official, and that his next sentence after the CNN clip stopped was crediting that statement to him? Does it make you a little bit made that was never reported???
March 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm #617472
charlabobParticipantThis morning Bill Richardson is traveling through Oregon with Obama and has endorsed him. Speech was supposed to happen at 9:30 but I haven’t found a link — maybe they’re running late :-)
This is huge — no one thought it would happen. The timing and the content of the endorsement are based directly on Obama’s speech on race:
<From CNN> According to the prepared text of his announcement, Richardson plans to say Obama will be a president “who can bring us the change we so desperately need by bringing us together as a nation here at home and with our allies abroad.”
Richardson will also touch on Obama’s recent speech on race in America, saying he “understands clearly that only by bringing people together, only by bridging our differences can we all succeed together as Americans.”
March 22, 2008 at 2:13 am #617473
JanSParticipantof course one gets angry when one realizes that one wasn’t told the whole truth…and, unfortunately, that’s the nature of politics – the politics that I, at least, abhor.
It stinks, just as the video made by the McCain aide that were sound bytes edited together stink….and it plays on FEAR….and lots and lots of people buy into it…
March 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm #617474
charlabobParticipantKayleigh posted this link on the Clinton forum–(thanks, KL!) It is well worth reading. So are (some of) the reader responses. Some others, not so much. :-) An adult discussion about race in America(sic) — what a refreshing idea!
http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard_pitts/story/466224.html
March 23, 2008 at 3:41 pm #617475
c@lbobMemberWhat I don’t understand is why any energy is even being put into which of Clinton or Obama is better here in Washington. As Sue said a week ago, what can we do about it?
Smacking down the old codger who beats the war drum should be our job #1.
March 23, 2008 at 3:52 pm #617476
WSMomParticipantcatlbob: my thoughts exactly!!!
March 23, 2008 at 5:12 pm #617477
charlabobParticipantIf you’ve already decided that Obama’s the one to smack down the war mongering codger, here’s something you can do: Phone from home to contact voters in the upcoming primary states.
March 24, 2008 at 6:11 pm #617478
JoBParticipantImagine those dirty republicans encouraging just anyone.. independents and republicans to vote in the democratic primary…
imagine that. What an outrage!
imagine this.. directly from Barak’s campaign:
The deadline to register to vote in Pennsylvania is fast approaching — Monday, March 24. This is the last opportunity for Pennsylvanians who are unregistered — as well as Independents and Republicans — to register as Democrats so they can support Barack in the primary.
For the good of what party?
“to register as Democrats so they can support Barack in the primary”
He is asking independents and republicans to secure him the democratic nomination…
Is this an example of the good clean campaign Obama is running?
March 24, 2008 at 6:32 pm #617479
charlabobParticipantI believe the point is that we believe independents and some republicans are likely to vote for Obama in the general election, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking them to make sure the candidate of their choice makes it to the general election.
I also believe a major difference in the Clinton and Obama campaigns is transparency. Anyone who believes the Clinton campaign is not doing exactly the same thing is, at least, naive. And anyone who believes the Clinton campaign didn’t offer Richardson pretty much anything he wanted to endorse them or remain neutral is equally naive. And I’m being kinder than I feel by saying “naive.”
I hope Richardson expressed interest in the position of Secretary of State. I assume Albright has it sewn up if there’s another Clinton presidency and I would not like to see that.
I began this election season as a DElighted Edwards supporter. When he dropped out, my head said Obama and my heart said Hillary. Every time people asked, I said, “I support Obama now — and every other word I said was in support of Hillary. I was, as JanS says, the ultimate mugwump — and my wump was rapidly tumbling to the Hillary side. It drove the bob half of charlabob nuts.
I have become a passionate Obama supporter because I listened to him (and read what he said and mulled over exactly what Clinton *did*, rather than what fuzzy libs like to think they remember he did.)
90 percent of my support for Obama is based on what I know of him and what I expect from him. 10 percent is based on what I’ve seen from the Clinton campaign and its supporters. Sadly, I know what to expect from them too, and I don’t like it.
BUT I WILL WORK FOR CLINTON, IF SHE’S THE NOMINEE, AND I WILL VOTE FOR HER. (Somehow I feel as if I have to make that my signature, so no one misses it.)
March 24, 2008 at 7:25 pm #617480
c@lbobMemberLatest Gallup Poll shows Obama/Clinton positions back to where they were at the beginning of the month. Obama is ahead again.
“Obama is the choice of 47 percent, Clinton 46, a negligible difference in a poll like this, a March 20-22 survey by the Gallup Poll. The survey confirms Gallup’s finding just before Easter that “Clinton’s recent lead in the race — apparently fueled by controversy dogging the Obama campaign over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — had evaporated,” Gallup’s Lydia Saad reports.”
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obamaclinton_tie_in_new_poll_p.html
The latest flap concerning General McPeak comparing Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy is a short-term problem, but should blow over fairly quickly.
To me, the worst thing about it is that McCarthyism is trivialized by it. The worst thing about Joe McCarthy wasn’t that he kept people from getting nominated for President, but that he ruined the lives of thousands of people who were teachers, scientists, actors, writers, and the like; people who couldn’t work in their professions often because of some gossip.
What Bill Clinton has been doing, throughout the campaign, has been to consistently make Barack come out short when compared to someone else. Bill would praise Edwards, Biden or Dodd, but not Obama. When those other worthies were gone, he took to praising McCain over Obama.
Bill knows exactly what he’s doing with his words. He’s not Joe McCarthy, but Lee Atwater would recognize one of his tactics being appropriated.
March 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm #617481
c@lbobMemberProof that the Pastor Wright flap hurt both candidates can be seen in the detail poll results. Both Obama and Clinton were ahead of McCain at the beginning of the month, now both are behind.
It’s all within the magin of error, but the mud dirties both candidates.
March 24, 2008 at 7:48 pm #617482
JoBParticipanti receive both Clinton and Obama campaign material.
So far, i have not received anything from the Clinton campaign which is soliciting republican and independent votes for the democratic primary.
Saying it’s so.. doesn’t make it so.
they do encourage voter registration.. and they encourage those who are no longer happy with their party to register as democrats…
but THEY do not encourage cross registration for the primary for the sole purpose of ensuring Hillary’s candidacy…
while Obama clearly does. Those words are a direct quote from his campaign materials…
i didn’t have to edit them…
the Obama campaign goes about it’s decidedly political tactics… many of them not so clean…
and shout loudly at the “dirty pool” played by the other side… while the republicans rally to his cry… ah.. sweet mayhem.
the Obama campaign uses those pundits to tar Hillary with responsibility for the antics of the same republican pundits…
and thus justifys it’s own dirty tactics with the need to retaliate.
Great gig if you can pull it off.. but not so clean. and not a campaign trick he will be able to use past the primary.
Yes, i am quite sure the Clinton campaign promised Richardson something…. but then…. they aren’t claiming to do anything but run a political campaign.
Imagine that. True transparancy.
and imagine their audacity to continue representing voters like me.
As for what you have seen from Clinton and her supporters.. i challenge you to get yourself a good bottle of wine and actually read the threads here supporting Obama…
It will take just a touch of critical thinking.. but it certainly won’t take long to discover who has been doing the real mud slinging in this campaign.
And sadly, those posts reflect the actual campaign.
If you are going to stand for something.. stand for something.. and stand for something real.
Obama has warts… and every time i have tried to point that out.. all i get is abuse.
The bullinging this campaign has done might be an exceedingly effective caucus tool… and it might even shout the pro-Hillary camp off the blogs and out of the media….
but it won’t work for 10 seconds when the republican political machine starts exposing and magnifying those warts.
And far worse, having the righteous indignation of the Obama campaign turned against fellow democrats isn’t gong to win those same hearts come fall.
This has been an incredibly divisive campaign.. and it is getting worse by the day…
Is this the America you want?
Is this what you think this candidate stands for?
If you actually believe in this dream, perhaps it is time to start living it..
instead of feeding a culture of hate towards fellow democrats … and justifying every divisive tactic as “the necessary price to retaliate against the b…”
Obama’s message is a positive one.. it really is too bad his campaign isn’t.
an inconsistenciy i am certain the republicans will be glad to point out…
March 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm #617483
charlabobParticipantJoB
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with soliciting independants and Republicans to register as Democrats in the context of a candidates campaign. The reality that people are identifying themselves as Democrat as opposed to Republican by the largest margin in 16 years is a good thing.
In a state like Pennsylvania, what would be the point of campaigning if you weren’t going to ask people to vote for you. In the primary so you’ll be on the ballot in the general, for them to vote for you then. Growing the party, INOW.
What is bad is right wing shock djs encouraging Republicans in Pennsylvania to register as Democrats and vote for Clinton, clearly so McCain can run against her in the general. Fox news manufactured the Wright dust-up, pushing it to the point that Chris Wallace, of all people, couldn’t take it any more. I don’t see a network going negative 24 hours a day against Clinton, so your comments about media adoration for Obama fall a little short of the mark, evidence wise.
if the election results were reversed, Obama would have been gone in February, the media has been proping Hillary up for weeks.
If you want to talk about the ammunition Republicans have against a Democrat, Hillary’s negatives are hard to surpass, 43%. Rick Santorum lost with a 37% unfavorable rating.
Your view of pro-Obama posts reflects a belief that Clinton is due a coronation. This entitlement view explains James Carville comparing Richardson’s endorsement of Obama to Judas betraying Christ. That’s the low road. Talking up McCain is a scorched earth tactic.
March 24, 2008 at 9:19 pm #617484
charlabobParticipantThat last post was from the bob end of charlabob.
March 24, 2008 at 9:31 pm #617485
beachdrivegirlParticipantObama does have weaknesses. He is young, African American, and has some shady associations throughout his lifetime. However, trying to say he has a “shady” campaing because he is urging people to registar is not one of them. Many 18 year olds registar in the same political party they were raised surronded by or the complete oppposite. Then after a few elections those that are still voting begin to actualy care themselves. So have you ever thought for a moment that he is trying to appeal to these younger voters? I know many (about 7 or 8 that I can think of right now) 23-27 year olds that have voted Independent or Republican in the past and until this election they did not know how or that they could change their party affiliation. Yes, unfortuante, I know, but many in this generation did not have parents that educated them on the issues. The reason why they are eager to reigster as a Democrat is not because they want to change the poll numbers in the primary it is because they want to have a say and they want Obama in office.
March 24, 2008 at 11:25 pm #617486
walfredoMemberJoB- that is a pretty weak argument… When Obama starts getting the support of Rush Limbaugh and other right wing hosts, then lets talk.
There is a pretty big difference between attracting crossover voters, and drawing from a wider net, versus being the chaos candidate of championed by the opposition party! She is getting close to Nader territory, where the people who most want to see her stay around, do so for the opposite reasons of what she claims to be fighting for.
I respect Nader as a man, but can no longer respect him as a candidate. That is becoming Hillary…
March 25, 2008 at 5:06 am #617487
JoBParticipantWalfredo..
Clinton doesn’t have the support of Rush Limbaugh and other right wing talk show hosts and you know that…
Rush Limbaugh and other right wing radio hosts are simply messing with the democratic primary any way they can.
my guess is that if republicans are crossing over.. they are more likely to vote Obama to make sure the hated Hillary isn’t on the ticket… regardless of what the agitators say.
Your remarks are nothing more than pure slander…
charlabob (bob) …
i don’t think anyone wants to see Hillary crowned.. least of all me…
As for entitlement… claiming she feels entitled is just a way to write off all of the work she has done… as though she has not worked hard and earned anything.
She has worked very hard and earned a great deal… but apparently not enough to accord her even the smallest amount of respect.
What i really think is that she deserves some respect and she deserves to stay in the race.
She represents me.. for all of the right reasons… and according to the latest polls… 46% of democrats… that’s a lot of democrats.
since right now Obama is only ahead in those polls by one percentage point… i don’t think my stance is so out of line.
March 25, 2008 at 5:24 am #617488
JanSParticipantI agree, JoB…she shouldn’t get out now. If it was lopsided, ala the Repugs, with just McCain ahead, then, by all means, she should give it up (or he, for that matter)…but…June is a long way away…and it IS close…I just wish it wasn’t so personally volatile…
March 25, 2008 at 7:29 am #617489
charlabobParticipantInteresting Obama endorsement from Teresa Heinz Kerry — a post middle-aged woman who compares him not to the usual lib “suspects” but to her late Republican husband, Senator John Heinz.
I don’t think the world has been waiting to see who Heinz-Kerry supports; I do think what she actually says is worth reading.
As someone who remembers fondly the days of at least a few reasonable Republican candidates, I like this a lot — and it speaks of Obama’seven positives without mentioning the other candidate’s name. Who knows … maybe this new style of talking politics can catch on :-)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08083/867043-109.stm
IF CLINTON IS NOMINATED, I WILL WORK FOR HER ELECTION AND VOTE FOR HER IN NOVEMBER.
March 25, 2008 at 7:43 am #617490
JanSParticipantcharla..thanks for that link…great article…articulate woman.
March 25, 2008 at 3:06 pm #617491
JoBParticipantcharlabob…
the only thing i take personally is the attitude on this thread and the others that my candidate has no right to continue campaigning.. for me.
And the attitude that my candidate can do no right… deserves disrespect… while your candidate can do no wrong and anyone who mentions any is playing dirty politics.
Obama currently has a lead.. but that is all he has.. a lead… he hasn’t won.
if Hillary said.. geez.. i can see you guys are really going to make a lot of noise about this and i’ll quit now to save my dignity… she would be abandoning those who support her… and i wouldn’t respect her for it… not after all the grief i have taken for supporting her.
Obama is just now getting an idea what the fight is going to be like in the fall if he is the nominee.
let’s see what he does with it before we throw all our eggs into one basket.
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