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June 1, 2008 at 6:45 pm #618192
AnonymousInactiveJune 3, 2008 at 5:38 pm #618193
charlabobParticipantNR, printed the Nader article and finally read it. There’s nothing to disagree with — no one who is truly progressive thinks either of the two remaining candidates represents us down the line (or even down the important lines.) They’re both good (better than we’ve had). I’ve never been a big Nader fan — but I’m not surprised he’s still out there, but I think his relevance is sadly over.
June 3, 2008 at 5:39 pm #618194
charlabobParticipantSo, what do we think? Are the preliminary events over tonight? Or this week? What does “Admit he has more delegates?” mean? What does “suspend the campaign” mean? In case either of those happens to happen tonight.
June 3, 2008 at 6:03 pm #618195
beachdrivegirlParticipantI dont think she is admitting defeat tonight. i think she is suspending her campaing tonight to see what happens tomorrow wiht the super delegates because most super delegates said they will not endorse either canidate until tomorrow (wednesday.) Now lets hope that after tomorrow night not only when Hillary have enough cajones to know when enough is enough and she will congratulate obama on his win but that her supporters get over themselves and realize that the race is over and that it is time to come together.
Did you see that Obama is pulling ahead in the polling for the general election over McCain?
June 3, 2008 at 6:08 pm #618196
charlabobParticipantYup, saw Obama pulling ahead — McCain keeps pommeling him about “wanting to negotiate face to face with our enemies” and polls show that 60 percent of the US population think the president should “negotiate face to face with our enemies.” Hmmm…think McCain is a closet Obamacrat?
Please don’t tell me she’s suspending — it will give me undue hope for John Edwards — remember, that’s what he did :-)
June 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm #618197
AnonymousInactiveI know that you guys understand all of this a lot better than I do, but I thought I was reading somewhere that Clinton is a better match up (in votes) with McCain than Obama is.
Doesn’t Clinton have have more electoral votes than McCain and Obama has less?
Is this not important?
June 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm #618198
beachdrivegirlParticipantThat is just Clinton’s camps latest argument once they realized that obama had won more delegates, contests, superdelegates, and popular vote (if you even count that…)
June 3, 2008 at 6:27 pm #618199
AnonymousInactiveBut if you do the match up on this website, Clinton is ahead of both Obama AND McCain. So, that is my question, do electoral votes not matter?
http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/2008/presidential-matchups/hillary-clinton-vs-john-mccain.html
June 3, 2008 at 6:37 pm #618200
walfredoMemberNewRes- polls have been as much as 20% off the day of the election many times during this cycle. Using the respected polls and there margin of errors you can find about a 15% point gap at any given time for any given contest.
Now, at this time, the polls you are talking about are at this time a hypothetical matchup that will happen 5 months from today. So, while they might be indicators, there should in no way be a deciding tool.
For example, every single poll 5 months prior to Iowa had Hillary Clinton versus Rudy Giuliani in the general election. They turned out to be wrong. Every single poll had Bill Clinton a distant 3rd place in 1996 when he won the nomination behind Bush and Perot.
It’s a cynical argument, and truly one made out of desperation. If the Clintons had won the election they would not be arguing mythic popular vote metrics, or “swing state” general election polls.
It is important that the nominee win in the fall. And right now, polls today show Obama with a slight edge over McCain. This is inspite of close to 1/3 of Hillary supporters saying they won’ support him. The real key to Obamas victory is going to be his continued strength in new swing states like Iowa, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington State, Oregon- all of which he is considerably outperforming Hillary in right now, and all of which are crucial in November.
June 3, 2008 at 7:08 pm #618201
AnonymousInactiveSo, I’m confused.
You say, walfredo, that polls have been “off” by 20%, yet you go on to quote polls that favor Obama.
Where are the polls that you are looking at?
Why are the polls that put Obama ahead accurate, and other polls are inaccurate?
June 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm #618202
walfredoMemberhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/
It’s official! With the latest string of endorsements (13 in the last hour) Obama is now within 14 delegates from the magic finish line!
Conservative estimates show him winning 15-16 delegates in the contests tonight. When he takes the stage tonight he will take the stage as the democratic nominee for president! This was described as a 50% chance of happening this morning, and it is a big deal!
June 4, 2008 at 2:09 am #618203
beachdrivegirlParticipantSo Hillary admits defeat but doesnt concede…how sad!
June 4, 2008 at 2:11 am #618204
TrickParticipantBDG, Her theme song is quite appropriate.
June 4, 2008 at 2:26 am #618205
charlabobParticipantI have not been so led on and teased since my last blind date 11 years ago (before I met the bob and stopped the madness.) I listened to Clinton’s whole speech (a first for me) and alternately was convinced she was going to leave graciously and convinced she was going to stubbornly stay through Denver.
Now, the Clintons are negotiating the vice presidency — Ed Schultz, a liberal talk show guy, said today that she should say, “Barack needs to decide who he wants to run with and if he wants me, I’m available.” Somehow I didn’t expect anything close to such class.
OK, Trick, what’s her theme song? And do we (Obama) have one?
June 4, 2008 at 2:26 am #618206
AnonymousInactiveRemember, the idea is how do we unite. Don’t you think she’s waiting to see if Obama offers VP so everyone will look like a winner. I’m sure she’d much rather announce that, than talk about going back to the senate.
June 4, 2008 at 2:28 am #618207
TrickParticipantCharlabob, I’ve heard this song played a few times at her rally:
Tom Petty “Won’t back down”
Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
you could stand me up at the gates of hell
but I won’t back down
Gonna stand my ground, won’t be turned around
and I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down
gonna stand my ground and I won’t back down
June 4, 2008 at 2:33 am #618208
SAMemberI hate to be cynical but is anyone else thinking the reason she is interested in the VP spot is because of the ‘A’ word?
June 4, 2008 at 2:43 am #618209
JanSParticipantSA…I can honestly say that never entered my mind…never…I refuse to believe that she’s as diabolical as that…
June 4, 2008 at 2:45 am #618210
TrickParticipantSA, don’t worry about being cynical here, it’s welcomed ;)
Nawww, I don’t believe or want to believe she is planning for that outcome. It was a very sick and poor choice of words on her part, but I have to give her more credit than that.
Yes, it’s an unspoken fear many have unfortunately for obvious reasons, but it doesn’t negate the ambition to make a difference and possibly change some mindsets out there.
If it were a reason to dismiss a candidate you’d be having thousands of calls if not millions calling from payphones.
June 4, 2008 at 2:51 am #618211
beachdrivegirlParticipantI did not even think about her theme song until just now Trick..omg how could i have missed that? So did anyone else see that while Obama was speaking he had about 27 supers endorse. I am going to bed with a huge smile tonight. And personally, I hope he does not give hill’s the vp spot? what are all of your guy’s thoughts about it?
June 4, 2008 at 2:55 am #618212
AnonymousInactiveDoes anyone remember other contests being this close? It seems no matter who ended on the top of the ticket, it’s justified to think the other earned the VP spot. And I’m all for cynicism, but I don’t think for a second Hillary wishes anything bad to happen. Yes she has ego and ambition, but I believe she’s sincere about wanting to better our country.
June 4, 2008 at 2:59 am #618213
AnonymousInactiveBDG, what would you suggest to unite the party in lieu of that (VP)?
June 4, 2008 at 3:06 am #618214
TammiWSMemberHis speech was amazing – he is so grateful, humble, uniting, GRACIOUS, respectful and hopeful in the face of a total slap when she didnt step aside….He always takes the high road and I believe he’ll continue that way through the election which is going to be ugly (although McCains speech tonight left little to be exited or worried about!). She is a stubborn egomaniac for whom I’ve lost a lot of repect. I actually dont want her in the VP spot – it would be way too disfuctional with her AND Bill as VP. If she’s this stubborn now what would she be like in the VP’s office when she isnt getting her way? What an historical night – I’m so glad to be witness to it!!
June 4, 2008 at 3:10 am #618215
bcollinsMemberI am so disappointed with Hilly!
June 4, 2008 at 3:14 am #618216
SAMemberI’m just trying to reconcile the traditional idea that the VP is largely a ceremonial post with why a politician like Clinton would want the position knowing she would be able to exert more influence from her Senate position or within the Cabinet (Health Secretary?).
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