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[charlabob]

I always knew my devotion to opposition research would pay off:

Main (in)famous Repug who uses Hussein as a swear word is, the infamous Rushter, Mr. Limp Paw. (Do repugs really claim him as one of their own? Hmmmmmm Could the party of Goldwater have lowered its bar that far?)

BUT you-all really should do a google search of “Barack Hussein Obama” on your own. The list of right wing pundits who think it’s an effective curse, and the things they say, are beyond amusing. At least I’m beyond being amused.

BTW, for any righties who haven’t found him, let me introduce you to local pundit Stefan Sharkansky and Sound Politics: http://www.soundpolitics.com

NB, I’m not posting this so you’ll go away — I don’t want you to go away. You just might find fodder to sharpen your claws and everyone needs a friendly environment once in a while.

I found him when he chose to print and ridicule a letter to the editor that I wrote, and I found his commentary, based on making fun of my name, in a google search.

I threatened to sue — always a good way too get someone’s attention :-) He accused me of being (are you sitting down?) a TRIAL LAWYER! In my fondest dreams, Stevie.

On the left (right/correct!) side, go see: http://www.horsesass.org, hosted by David Goldstein (Goldy).

Both blogs have a lot of local stuff too, in case you’re a hard core repug/dem and don’t know what you think about a zoning change or “nonpartisan” judge.

They are almost all politics all the time — and, among other things, you’ll realize what a mild, friendly, loving and intellectual environment WSB actually is.

I wouldn’t go to a Sound Politics get-together unless I had a license to carry a concealed weapon and a concealed weapon to carry, or a cadre of big friendly Repug body guards.

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[Anonymous]

Thanks for the links, charla. However that wasn’t the Rep I was referring to. I actually don’t want you to find it. You’ll lose whatever respect you have for me. Lol!

Please note, I wasn’t using Obama’s middle name as a swear word (I don’t believe this particular Rep does either). It’s simply one of his names. I think I’m going to start calling McCain “Sidney”. Just for fun. I’m in a weird mood today?!

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[charlabob]

Oh, come on — you have to tell me. I still like you, knowing you are and like Republicans, so I can be trusted — and who cares about the rest of the lurkers? :-). O’Reilly? I will lose what’s left of my mind if I have to continue to search and guess instead of planting seedlings and editing a manuscript.

If you call McCain “Sidney” you have to get the accent right — think Brooklyn, grandmotherly (bubbe) type yelling out the window to a skinny dark kid playing stick ball. Three heads look up to see if she’s calling them. Only two can ignore her. I can’t even think how to duplicate it in letters. Damn, forget the search engine — we need audio capability here.

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[Anonymous]

charla – I don’t want to drive you crazy, but I will give you a hint (I think you’ll get it with this)

Right around the time I first joined the forum (about 3 or 4 months ago?), I defended a particular person and it caused some heated debates (well, not too bad), but, from my constant defense of this person, I realized that I was about the only Rep on here.

You guys weren’t too bad with me, but it was really obvious that you DID NOT like her (I mean this person).

I’m gonna work on getting the “Sidney” accent down! Thanks for the tip!

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[charlabob]

aha — initially i was confused by the pronoun ‘she’ ;-)

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[Anonymous]

That was part of the hint. So, you got it? Please don’t share it. We don’t need to rehash all of that!

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[JoB]

rs261..

“Perhaps I just chose the wrong day to do my fact checking on posts…and perhaps I chose the wrong post to fact check…I’m just sick of hearing about how bad Obama is, I want to hear how great he will be. Or how great McCain will be. Maybe I’m just reading the wrong threads in here (is reading all of them bad?).”

I couldn’t agree with you more… but i would add Clinton to the list.. or are you not tired of hearing how bad she is too?

i have tried to post threads about how great Hillary is… but as i am sure the several posts in between this one and the one of yours i replied to will show.. I can’t even say she should stay in the race without being lambasted…

and i haven’t read the posts yet.

believe me.. nothing would make me happier than to read them and find myself wrong.

I am not holding my breath though.. so anyone who cares need not worry about my health…

BTW.. if i was not a very stubborn woman i would not stand up to the lambasting .. much of it directed at me and not my opinions… that i have taken merely for defending Hillary’s right to exist as a candidate…

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[Anonymous]

NR, we can’t leave it alone now! The only person I remember everyone not liking was a forum member that was banned. Are you implying that she’s famous? Or have I totally missed the hint?

*There is a famous Rep (will not say who – I’d never hear the end of it) who continuously refers to/writes about Obama in that way.*

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[charlabob]

JT, she’s famous — read your email — I sent you her name :-)

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[Anonymous]

Sorry, JT. I meant someone famous, not a forum member. If you figure it out, please don’t say who.

If she were a forum member, she probably would get banned pretty quickly.

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[JoB]

Villagegreen..

“The letter you received this morning in your mailbox is simply a plea for average citizens to help pay off Hillary’s huge debt. There really isn’t any other reason for her to stay in the race other than to continue her fundraising. How is that good for the democratic party and the lower income people you say don’t even have money to pay the gas tax?”

The letter i received in my mailbox was a fundraising letter… the same as those you probably receive in your mailbox from Senator Obama…

in fact, anyone who has ever at any time inquired about Senator Obama receives those emails in their mailbox because he requires contact information to attend any of his events…

yes, she has incurred personal debt to stay in this race. Obama has outspent her on nearly every contest since super Tuesday 2 to 1 or 3 to 1.

I am not helping her pay that debt off.. but I am helping her stay in the race.. hopefully without incurring too much more personal debt.

The amounts of money this primary has consumed are obscene. And Obama has outspent her 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 in almost every primary since super tuesday…

If i were an Obama supporter… supposedly financing this campaign on the backs of the little people.. i would be asking if that was the best use of my money. Because so far it hasn’t bought him the lead he should have spending that kind of money.

I happen to think Hillary staying in the race.. even when everyone says she has no chance.. is healthy for the democratic party.

Who will pull the democratic voters she has energized out for the election in the fall if she doesn’t?

Obama can’t.

If she knuckles under to the pressure and withdraws from the primary we will feel our party does not even care enough about what we think is important to allow the primaries to play out.

If you want the support of the half of the party that doesn’t support your candidate now.. don’t you think it might be time to give up a few f those opportunities for dirty shots at Hillary?

Because it is clear you are not gracious winners… if indeed you are winners.

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[Anonymous]

Thanks Charla! NewRes, I just don’t even have words for you yet. Just today I was thinking we should invite you and yours over for dinner or drinks or something, you know being a new resident and all. But now. I just don’t know. I’m very sad and disappointed. :)

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[JoB]

first .. i have to offer an apology…

you were all so busy with NewResident that you only called McCain names today…

But i think you should cut NewResident some slack. She is a republican.. and his name.. the way she wrote it.. is what she hears most often.

If Senator Obama is going to make political hay with his multiculturalism… which he has.. big time.. then we probably should all get over being so thin skinned as to object to his middle name.

It is his name. He has had plenty of time to choose to alter it during his political career. He has chosen not to… in fact… he has chosen to exploit it within the Muslim black community…

You were all howling that Hillary didn’t take the opportunity to speak up about why those kinds of things shouldn’t matter…

instead of howling about her.. perhaps it is time to embrace this opportunity.

Making the use of his middle name an ethnic slur only plays into the Republican storyline…

My middle name is Agnes.

When i was a kid.. using it was fighting words…

like Obama’s, it honored my parents and grandparents…

That is all he ever has to say.

There are plenty of Americans who share his personal dilemna.

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[charlabob]

I’m afraid the Clinton supporters are much better people than their candidate (as are the supporters of all candidates, with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich.)

Right now, Clinton is negotiating with the Obama campaign to leave the race if they assume her debt and take on some of her henchpeople in high campaign roles.. (In other words, pay off her loans to herself.) Is this unusual? Not really — The reason she had Vilsack’s endorsement (gov of Iowa) is because her campaign assumed his campaign’s debt. Some of us, who knew the Vilsacks and the state of Iowa, were surprised at his endorsement. When his wife endorsed Edwards we felt better — now we understand.

She’s lost. She knows it. She’s negotiating for the best deal possible. Obama has to play a juggling game – give the Clinton’s a bit, without alienating his base.

Even in the charlabob world, there is dissension. The charla says, “Not one damned penny in tribute.” The bob is more reasoned.

I am so tired of tirades. I skip over most — but I do want to prepare the lurkers: It’s over–she knows it — not gloating, just true.

We’re up to 48 percent of the Clinton voters, exit polled, in Indiana said they would not vote for Obama. Hmmmm…I remember when refusing to pledge virtual loyalty, on this very blog and in the real world, was considered tantamount to treason. Apparently that only works in one direction.

I’m so devoted to the defeat of McCain and the victory of Obama that I’ll even work for him and vote for him if he succumbs to the pressure of making the Clintons his running mate. And, yes, I mean that as I typed it. Without Bill Clinton, she might have actually pulled this off.

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[WSMom]

This from Newt Gingrich (of all people):

“The Anti-Obama, Anti-Wright, and Anti-Clinton GOP Model Has Been Tested — And It Failed

The Republican brand has been so badly damaged that if Republicans try to run an anti-Obama, anti- Reverend Wright, or (if Senator Clinton wins), anti-Clinton campaign, they are simply going to fail.

This model has already been tested with disastrous results.

In 2006, there were six incumbent Republican Senators who had plenty of money, the advantage of incumbency, and traditionally successful consultants.

But the voters in all six states had adopted a simple position: “Not you.” No matter what the GOP Senators attacked their opponents with, the voters shrugged off the attacks and returned to, “Not you.”

The danger for House and Senate Republicans in 2008 is that the voters will say, “Not the Republicans.””

I just hope and pray voters say “Not the Republicans!!!

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[charlabob]

aHA the newtster strikes again — he offered to run for president if the Repugs would only scrounge up $5 for him. Since they had sixty gazillion candidates, all of whom were middle-to-old white men, they passed. So he’s, obviously, pissed. He has moments of lucidity, but don’t imagine for a moment he has anything to do with the thought processes of the Repug Party. To think that is very dangerous. Watch Wait Win :-)

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[JoB]

WsMom..

Here is another case of not believing everything you hear…

As the Obama primary campaign has clearly shown us..

you can run simultaneously on the “high road” which John McCain is currently espousing in all of his official campaign speeches..

and make protesting noises… or no noise at all… about the low road that those who support your campaign promote…

Name calling and slander aren’t going to go away this fall…

everyone is enjoying it too much.

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[JoB]

if it is true that 48% of all Clinton voters in Indiana wouldn’t vote for Obama in the general election…

that should worry those who want a Democratic victory this fall.

Even those who would like to imply that all people who will turn out to vote for Hillary are Hillary supporters and therefore that just shows how disloyal they all really are…

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[beachdrivegirl]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080507/primary-scramble/

The most recent Michigan/Florida talks.

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[villagegreen]

“I happen to think Hillary staying in the race.. even when everyone says she has no chance.. is healthy for the democratic party.

Who will pull the democratic voters she has energized out for the election in the fall if she doesn’t?

Obama can’t.”

JoB, your reasoning just doesn’t make sense to me. How is she going to energize her voters in the Fall unless she’s the nominee? The longer she stays in the race, the longer she will continue to pander to her new core audience – high school educated poor white people – leading them to believe Obama is nothing but an elitist intellectual who does’t understand their concerns/needs. How are continued attacks on Obama going to help him when he is the eventual nominee? And don’t tell me she’s helping prepare him for the Republicans’ attacks in the Fall. He could be fighting them full-force right now if he didn’t have to fend off attacks from his own party.

If 48% of Clinton supporters won’t vote for Obama in the general election, how will that problem be addressed by her staying in the race? Would you like to see that number higher? Hillary has done a great job of appealing to lower income whites, eschewing her Wellesley and Yale background by posing with NASCAR drivers, pumping gas, and giving speeches out of flat-bed trucks. Obama definitely needs to do a better job of courting these voters, but I don’t see how her continued attacks on him are going to help this divide and unite the party. It’s a fact – the longer the race goes on the more and more voters are becoming entrenched in their views and stating they will not vote for whomever loses the nomination. It’s like breaking up with someone, it’s better to get it over with quickly than to make it a long protracted ordeal. She will not be the nominee, so ‘break up’ now and get it over with so we can all move on – for the good of everyone.

Here’s a link to an article in the new Stranger: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=572890&hp

It’s written by a big Hillary supporter who has come to the realization that it’s time for her to graciously bow out.

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[JoB]

It’s going to be a long month…

Michigan is submitting it’s proposal on May 31st…

I think Florida has yet to submit one…

I think the party big wigs are hoping against hope that the final primaries will make seating both states a moot point.

we will see..

either way. they will be seated.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Interesting. Hillarys camp rejected Michigans proposed solution.

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[rs261]

Hillary needs more then the 10 lead michigan offered. I still dont think florida or michigan should be seated. You wont piss them off. Heck, I only voted in the primary here (no caucus for me thank you), knowing full well it wouldnt count for anything (other then to test those vote counting machines). The state moved the primary up, they have to pay the price for that. Michigan would have gone heavily for Obama if everyone did come out and vote, and if both people were on the ballot.

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[JoB]

beachdrivegirl…

It wouldn’t surprise me if that was true…

i spent this afternoon in the garden instead of catching the news and think myself a happier person for it:)

Obama’s people actively campaigned in michigan.. and the delegate totals they submitted didn’t actually reflect that.. did they?

any more than the Obama camp’s idea that the delegates should be seated with the delegates evenly split in both michigan and florida…

everyone agrees that they need to be seated. after all.. there is a platform to consider as well as the delegate count for the nomination…

they have about three weeks to come up with a compromise everyone will agree to… of course there is going to be more negotiation before a compromise is made… I think May 31 is their first deadline.. and i expect they will come up with a compromise by then.

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[rs261]

If they campaigned there, I dont know, I wasnt there, never heard about it…I do know that his name wasnt on the ballot, so a lot of people who would have voted for him didnt vote. And thats not, they voted uncommitted…the just didnt vote.

I do still have family in Michigan, but dont believe any voted in the primaries. Read the story below, and please tell me if it seems like they knew to vote uncommitted.

Story from Flint press…

Something seemed to be missing when Susan Keeler of Grand Blanc Township opened her absentee ballot.

The candidates.

Michigan’s convoluted presidential primary is now hitting home for voters, who are getting absentee ballots for the Jan. 15 presidential primary.

“There is something wrong with this. People don’t even have a choice to vote for the person we want to vote for,” said Keeler, 68.

…

“It gives me a very nasty taste in my mouth,” said Susan Parnes, 63, of Flint, an Obama supporter. “I’ve begged people to go vote in the primary, and then this crap comes up.”

The candidates not on the ballot withdrew themselves from Michigan’s rebelliously early primary, in a bid to satisfy traditional leadoff states Iowa and New Hampshire. “The only name I even recognize here is Hillary Clinton,” said Keeler, who wanted to vote for Obama. “It just appears to be people trying to control how we vote.”

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Sen. Joe Biden also opted out of Michigan’s primary, leaving voters to choose among Clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel and “uncommitted.”

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