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November 11, 2008 at 7:04 pm #647030
JoBParticipantIf state’s rights are to remain state’s rights, then out of state money shouldn’t be used to influence a state election…
and we could push that ballot initiative through..
but they would just open a state office and funnel money through it.
i would like to see better reporting that lets people know who is funding initiatives .. and how much they are spending…
at one time you wouldn’t ahve to pay for your own ad to make that point…
maybe the pendulum in journalism will swing back again.
we can only hope.
in the meantime.. funding efforts to challenge prop 8 is a very good thing.
November 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm #647031
beachdrivegirlParticipantAlthough I do agree 100% that what the church did was wrong; it is being done by other church groups as well. Including some Catholic churches in regards to Abortion. It really comes down to the fact that there need to be stronger groups out there ready to financial and emotional fight just as strong as the, in this case, Mormon church.
November 11, 2008 at 8:32 pm #647032
flowerpetalMemberHere’s a link that relates directly to the topic:
http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/
The one caveat I’d put on this is that it’s not just the Mormons. The Knights of Columbus, a Roman Catholic fraternal men’s organization, also heavily funded Proposition 8 in California.
The Mormons have been in bed with the IRS for years. There is a huge IRS facility in Utah heavily populated with employees of course who are Mormon. Mormons in other parts of the country have been encouraged by the church into employment with the IRS in preparation for the “last days” in order to keep an upper hand on things.
November 11, 2008 at 8:33 pm #647033
WSBKeymasterI was just about to update the calendar but am now wondering if anyone knows the definitive info on the protest plan – Out and Equal mentions a Volunteer Park protest Saturday:
http://outandequalseattle.blogspot.com/2008/11/seattle-protest-against-prop-8-on.html
rather than city hall.
The FB group linked on that page says the same thing, and also that there will be a march to Westlake afterward.
Just want to make sure anyone interested in participating winds up in the right place. Still pursuing an official news release somewhere …
November 11, 2008 at 10:07 pm #647034
WesMemberHas anyone noticed the spiteful feelings most you have (except the card carrying athiest – go figure)against an organization that disagrees with you? Isn’t this the same thing you all are saying is wrong? The people voted against the definition of marriage changing because they disagreed. You all disagree with them, yet they are the bad guys. Why the bigotry against the Mormon church?
November 11, 2008 at 10:19 pm #647035
JoBParticipantwes..
i can’t speak for anyone else, but i have no spiteful feelings.
i do believe that if an organization is given a tax exempt status because of the charitable work they do..
and that is the justification for the tax exempt status of churches…
that they shouldn’t be spending that money on political involvement.
It seems like a small thing.. but individuals are exempted on paying tax for the money they donate if they have enough tax write offs to file for donations.. and then churches are exempted from any revenue they generate…
That’s a lot of money that isn’t going into tax revenue.
I have no argument with their right to free speech.. just with their right to spend untaxed money on political agendas.
November 11, 2008 at 10:24 pm #647036
AnonymousInactiveThey voted against two people having their relationship legally validated with all the rights and benefits any human should be afforded. There is no secular government justification for this stance. It is purely motivated by religious opinion.
Please tell me of any group that has tried to pass legislation restricting you from worshiping as you desire? I haven’t participated in that and my atheist opinion is that religion is responsible for all that is wrong in this world.
So see, there is a difference. We disagree but I don’t attempt to legislate my opinion. It wouldn’t be fair or right.
November 11, 2008 at 10:33 pm #647037
AimParticipant“The people voted against the definition of marriage changing because they disagreed.”
Nope, that’s actually completely incorrect.
The Supreme Court in CA had already ruled that equal rights and anti-discrimination laws meant that marriage was open to same sex couples. These folks voted to TAKE AWAY rights from people, thereby voting in discrimination. That’s very different from voting to “keep the status quo.”
November 11, 2008 at 10:54 pm #647038
datamuseParticipantI see people questioning whether what the church did was legal. That’s not the same thing as spite.
FWIW, I know quite a few Mormons who are very upset that their church chose to do this. Some are considering leaving the church over it.
November 11, 2008 at 10:54 pm #647039
Kayleigh2MemberWes, it seems to me that Mormons and the Mormon church could disagree with homosexuality and even believe it’s against their own moral code without seeking to deny rights to others. The initiative itself seems kind of spiteful to me.
The idea that marriage is somehow sacrosanct and has been tarnished by LGBT members who want to marry just makes me roll my eyes. With high rates of infidelity, divorce, abuse, domestic violence, addiction, and general maltreatment of one another…um, yeah. Marriage sure is precious here in Heterosexual Land.
November 11, 2008 at 10:57 pm #647040
JenVMemberwhy not just prohibit divorce, then?
November 12, 2008 at 3:28 am #647041
ZenguyParticipantApparently there are two rallies. One is at 600 4th ave at 10:30, the second is a march from Volunteer park to Westlake Center at noon.
Please pick one and attend.
November 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm #647042
ZenguyParticipantOk, not the two protests have been combined into one BIG protest.
Volunteer Park at 10:30 and then marching to Westlake Center at noon.
November 16, 2008 at 1:43 am #647043
ZenguyParticipantIt was a beautiful day for a protest and march. Thousand met in Volunteer Park to hear the organizer, Ed Murray, Ron Sims and Greg Nickels talk about the change that WE CAN make.
The crowd was happy and there was a sense of fun in the air. Here are some of my favorite signs.
-When do I get to vote on your marriage?
-If you like my decorating, you’ll love my revolution.
-Brigham Young had 55 wives, Joseph Smith had 34, I only want one.
The march down to Westlake was an amazing experience, seeing all the families and straight supporters made me feel good.
It was a GREAT day!
November 16, 2008 at 3:33 am #647044
TammiWSMemberIronic how an group who claims to have been discriminated against for their religious beliefs and views on marriage funded an initiative that discriminates against a groups beliefs and views on marriage…..
My feeling is that with the change we’ve seen in the past two weeks this will change too. Momentum is on our side. An entire country, in a multitude of cities, held protests today. That is HUGE! I’m hopeful…..
November 16, 2008 at 4:57 am #647045
AnonymousInactiveIn case anyone is wondering why the Mormon Church is being singled out:
*Mormons Tipped Scale in Ban on Gay Marriage*
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
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