Admiral Way Hill: Why Speed Limit Only 30 MPH?!

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  • #592395

    andasai
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    The posted speed limit of 30 mph on Admiral Way hill seems way too slow for such an unpopulated area. Driving down, I have to brake hard the whole way and even going up, seems too slow. I think it used to be 35 mph. What gives? Also, why are there landscape workers there clearing out all the plant growth? Just curious.

    #677648

    KBear
    Participant

    “Why Speed Limit Only 30 MPH?”

    It gives you more time to peruse the wide selection of used automobiles parked along the east curb.

    “why are there landscape workers there clearing out all the plant growth? “

    The cars sell better when the landscape is well-tended.

    #677649

    cjboffoli
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    What is it about double lane roads that makes people just naturally want to go fast? 35th is like that. The (old) Fauntleroy was like that. And this area has a fairly steep grade which also tends to make people speed.

    There are intersecting streets all the way down Admiral Way towards the bridge. Are people allowed to turn in and out of those streets? Does keeping the speed limit at 30 make those intersections safer?

    I’ve driven down that hill many times and yes, you do have to use the brakes. But not “hard.” I know it can be galling for a lot of people behind the wheel in our fair city but you actually do have to use your vehicle’s brakes from time to time.

    If you consider how little time it takes to get down that hill (2 minutes? 90 seconds?), I doubt there would even be a discernible difference in time saved from your trip if you were to go down the hill at 55 mph.

    #677650

    swimcat
    Member

    I have to agree with the OP on this – the speed limit on that stretch of Admiral really needs to be re-evaluated. It is a straight stretch, smoothly paved, with few residences. Meanwhile, Fauntleroy was (and still is) 35MPH through turns, potholes, terrible pavement, apartments, condos, houses and side streets galore. I have a bit of a lead foot at times, but I drive b/t 30 and 34 MPH on Fauntleroy. because it’s so unsafe.

    #677651

    sam-c
    Participant

    I drive safely. I drive 20mph on my street, and in other residential areas of Seattle. sometimes drives people crazy, I’ve been flicked off, passed with horn accompaniment, everything.

    however, 35 mph on that stretch of Admiral would still be safe. going up or down, whenever I’m there, I spend more time looking at my speedometer than the road. 30 feels so slow to me.

    I’m not saying it’s hard, and I manage to do it all the time. sometimes, though, I feel like- O! crap -gotta look at the road, not the speedometer.

    #677652

    KBear
    Participant

    The entire stretch is less than a mile. Bumping the speed limit up to 35 would shave a whole TWELVE SECONDS off your trip. Are you really that impatient?

    #677653

    swimcat
    Member

    It’s a very unreasonable speed limit. When you have pokey drivers complaining about it, you know it’s too slow! As sam-c states, drivers are too busy looking at speedometers and not the road- which is not safe driving.

    I have to drive in 3rd gear down that hill, which puts strain on the engine. Or I can put it in 4th and then wear out the brakes. I’m just glad I don’t live in Admiral and rarely have to suffer driving up or down that hill.

    #677654

    Kimberley
    Participant

    Driving in third gear shouldn’t but strain on your engine at all.

    As someone who lives off of Admiral, on one of those side streets and has almost been hit by speeding drivers going up Admiral on numerous occasions (I believe 30 going up and down that hill is a safe speed limit). I often see drivers speeding past those going the speed limit on the left, only to cut over to the right and almost hit those safely turning onto Admiral. Perhaps if people driving up/down Admiral paid more attention to their surroundings, the speed limit wouldn’t be an issue.

    #677655

    KBear
    Participant

    Kimberley, it’s too bad you think you need safe access to your street. Your safety is not worth 12 seconds of other peoples’ time. Perhaps you should move someplace more convenient for others.

    #677656

    sam-c
    Participant

    K-Bear if you are talking to me, you didn’t read my post. I’m not impatient and I’m not in a hurry and I’m not trying to save 12 seconds. I DO go 30 mph.

    I was saying that 35 feels like more natural, and would be easier to maintain without constantly checking my speedometer.

    #677657

    villagegreen
    Member

    I don’t know why I’m posting this again, since this topic comes up repeatedly (about every 6 months or so), but here we go.

    For the last time, people who complain about the speed limit being 30 instead of a reasonable 35 are not worried in the slightest about the 12 seconds that they’re losing, they’re complaining that they have to spend more time looking at their speedometers than the road, and there are frequent speed traps on that road so that if you don’t spend half your time looking at the speedometer you may likely receive a hefty fine from the poorly deployed cops.

    Once again, we are not worried about the 12 seconds. We just don’t want to be criminalized for driving the “natural” speed limit. Got it?

    #677658

    KBear
    Participant

    Hmmm… I don’t find it that hard to drive 30 mph up or down Admiral. Do you people find it difficult to go 20 mph in school zones? Should we raise that speed limit, too? Would the kids be safer if you didn’t have to look at your speedometers?

    If 35 mph is the “natural” speed, I guess that does explain all those slow drivers in the left lane on I-5.

    #677659

    maplesyrup
    Participant

    I look at it this way- if I lived on that hill or on one of the side streets, I’d appreciate the lower speed limit.

    That turn at the bottom of the hill (don’t know the street name but it goes past the glass blowing studio/Luna Park) can also be dangerous if people get going too fast. It’s especially true if you’re turning left up the hill.

    #677660

    cjboffoli
    Participant

    “Well you see, officer, I know I was going 125 in a 45 zone but it just felt more NATURAL to me.”

    :-)

    #677661

    Lena
    Participant

    I believe the speed limit was lowered after a number of fatal and serious accidents including one involving a co-worker of mine’s very close friend who was only in his early 20s and was killed. Unfortunately when the speed limit was 35 mph most people would go closer to 50 and that highly increases the chance of serious injury or death in an accident. Now with the 30mph limit and the speed traps people actually do go slower.

    I also find it a little troublesome to put on the brakes coming down but if it helps save someone’s life it seems a small price to pay.

    #677662

    SarahScoot
    Participant

    Re: the “natural” speed limit – now I feel the need to dig up the similar comment made months back on a similar thread. Someone was defending speeding down Admiral hill eastbound because it’s the speed her car wants to go. I’m still boggled by that comment, though it did give me a good giggle. ;-)

    Edit: found the quote (the thread is title “SPD on Admiral Way… a trajedy [sic]”): “I go between 35 and 40 because that is the natural speed my car wants to go […]”

    And what do you know? It’s the same person bringing up the “natural speed” argument again.

    #677663

    sam-c
    Participant

    lol no, it feels natural to go 20 in school zone.

    especially when there’s so many things to look out for, cars, pedestrians, buses, cyclists.

    like I said i GO 30 on Admiral. this isn’t really worth complaining about, either way. I don’t know why I’m here.

    If you want to find something worth complaining about, watch people go 35-40 in a residential area, scraping over ‘speed humps’ cause they’re going too fast, and on a street with no sidewalks.

    stay safe

    #677664

    KBear
    Participant

    “I don’t know why I’m here.”

    sam-c, your pug seems to be expressing exactly that sentiment. :-)

    #677665

    sam-c
    Participant

    funny too, a lot of times when I’m gong up/down Admiral, going 30 mph, I get passed or tailgated.

    let me know when you guys so I can be sure to head out then.

    #677666

    maplesyrup
    Participant

    Nearly every day when I am driving home up the hill, I’ll see some clown go flying by, sometimes agitated at me for driving the speed limit.

    Then I pull up right next to them at one of the stoplights.

    #677667

    Homer
    Participant

    yes, but honestly, there is only one sidewalk on one side of the street. There is a grass buffer of about 8 feet before it, and there is a parking lane for more buffer…so, walker/biker safety shouldn’t be an issue for raising the speed limit….I agree, very odd it is so slow…not sure why it’s not higher..wish it were. What else is the concern for not raising it?

    #677668

    DMcG
    Member

    This may be a bit out dated as it’s from June 2008 but here is something on the Admiral speed limit from the PI’s Getting There column. I’m sure it won’t change opinions but it is, or at least was, the city’s official stance.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/transportation/365418_getthere02.html#2

    #677669

    KBear
    Participant

    There ya go. Now quit yer whining and slow down!

    #677670

    CMP
    Participant

    I think the reason for lowing the speed limit to 30 was primarily because of the road grade. I’ve said this before, but it makes no sense to me that Admiral is 30 mph but roads like 35th and Fauntleroy are still 35 mph. I’m surprised the morons at SDOT don’t put some speed bumps in the middle of Admiral just to slow every down. And when people say it’s natural to drive fast down Admiral towards the bridge, I think they’re referring to the pull of gravity making the car accelerate.

    #677671

    KBear
    Participant

    Yeah, the car just “naturally” wants to go downhill. It usually likes to stay on the road, too, so sometimes I don’t even bother with the steering wheel, especially if I’m texting or eating a bowl of cereal. Natural speed at the top is 35 mph; at the bottom it’s more like 60. Sometimes abnormalities like bikers or pedestrians interrupt my natural descent, but they usually get out of the way if I honk at them.

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