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September 21, 2009 at 9:40 pm #677672
vincentMemberCMP has made the best argument so far.
I’ve said this before, but it makes no sense to me that Admiral is 30 mph but roads like 35th and Fauntleroy are still 35 mph.
How do we get the city to lower the speed limit on 35th and Fauntleroy to 30mph? That would clear up the confusion for everyone.
September 21, 2009 at 9:47 pm #677673
KBearParticipant“How do we get the city to lower the speed limit on 35th and Fauntleroy to 30mph?”
Easy. Get all the complainers to sign a citizen initiative to RAISE the speed limit. Put it up to a public vote and pass it 4 times. Then let the Seattle Process do its thing.
September 21, 2009 at 10:11 pm #677674
CMPParticipantPlease keep the sarcasm to yourselves, I was being serious about gravity…and about lowering the speed limit on those other two roads. But feel free to raise it to 40 mph on Admiral.
September 21, 2009 at 10:18 pm #677675
swimcatMemberYes KBear, the sarcasm is a bit much. It’s making this thread a bit aggravating to read since you keep comparing apples to oranges too.
September 21, 2009 at 10:22 pm #677676
KBearParticipantWell, I thought the “natural speed” argument and the “it’s too hard for me to check my speedometer while I’m driving” argument were a bit much. Being able to maintain a relatively constant speed and being observant of the speed limit are two qualifications required for safe driving. If those are too much for you, surrender your license. You don’t belong on the road.
September 21, 2009 at 10:27 pm #677677
SarahScootParticipant+1 and thumbs up, KBear!
September 21, 2009 at 11:57 pm #677678
JanSParticipantSarahScoot..totally agree. As with many things in life, so it is with Admiral Way…it is what it is…deal with it :)
Since my car isn’t functioning right now, I suppose it’s natural speed would be stop?
September 22, 2009 at 12:29 am #677679
maplesyrupParticipantNot if it’s rolling down Admiral hill!
September 22, 2009 at 12:55 am #677680
JanSParticipantI suppose I should then warn…get outta the way :)
September 22, 2009 at 1:53 am #677681
CaitParticipantI don’t think it’s the speed limit itself that people are taking issue with but that it’s 5 mph slower than every other stinking arterial in West Seattle. Other arterials that are much more populous and where just as many accidents happen. Also – the whole stretch is a crosswalk yet only one side has a sidewalk?! HELLO – common sense fail! I have never seen anyone cross that road on foot – and why would you? At one point or another you’re going to be on that dangerous non-sidewalked west end. But if they do you’ll be able to see them coming well farther in advance than you would on say 35th or California anyway.
Might I venture a guess as well that the fatality accidents were caused by people going closer to 50 mph than 35 mph. And if not – it could happen on any street – not just Admiral. Plus a 30 mph speed limit isn’t catching WSHS kids speeding back from lunch and trust me they aren’t doing any less than 45-50.
I think 35 mph is reasonable. And if you don’t have cruise control you DO spend more time looking at the speedometer than the road. It’s not an excuse, but it is a point that needs to be considered. To just poo-poo it because so and so that you agree with thinks it’s a dumb point sounds a little like complacency to me. It does happen.
September 22, 2009 at 3:11 am #677682
BuddyParticipantwhoo..whoo, I’m with “GET OUT OF THE WAAAYYYYY”
September 22, 2009 at 3:59 am #677683
JanSParticipantwhen going east on Admiral Way from, say, SW Olga St. , there are bus stops on the right hand side ( the side with no sidewalk. People do use that side, just maybe not to walk.
I remember when the speed limit was 35. I would drive 40 mph, especially when going up the hill. I remember doing that one evening, with a cop on my tail. I was in the left hand lane, since I was gonna make a left turn in another block or so. He rode my a$$ so close I had to get over, and he just smiled and gave me a thumbs up as he sped away going at least 45mph, if not more. Guess that was his car’s “natural speed”…:)
September 22, 2009 at 4:16 am #677684
DunnoParticipantI’m for the Gig Harbor top limit of 25 mph, 20 on side streets and 15 in school zones. Think of the money that could be made.
I do agree with that 35th and Fauntleroy speeds should be the same as Admiral and Highland drive(Boeing hill).
September 22, 2009 at 3:21 pm #677685
KBearParticipant“I don’t think it’s the speed limit itself that people are taking issue with but that it’s 5 mph slower than every other stinking arterial in West Seattle.”
That is incorrect. The speed limit is 30 mph on arterials unless otherwise posted. A few are higher, but most are 30.
September 22, 2009 at 3:40 pm #677686
sam-cParticipantactually, Delridge is 35. but I always find myself going 30, cause that is what feels safe, with the pedestrians, people heading to buses, buses making stops, lots of driveways, cars parked on the street (and you don’t know if a door is going to open suddenly). some of those things that you don’t see on that Admiral hill.
and I think the ‘car’s natural speed’ is something that you got from another thread. people are saying it would feel natural to drive 35.
I don’t know there’s a need to harass people for saying they want to go 35. you act as if they’ve said ‘to hell with the 30 mph speed limit- I’m going 45!!!.
September 22, 2009 at 4:27 pm #677687
KBearParticipantYes, sam-c, Delridge is 35, as are some of the other major arterials, but most arterials are 30.
The “35 feels more natural” argument was brought up by you in post 10 of this thread.
Sorry you feel harassed, but to suggest that speed limits should set based on what feels comfortable on your accelerator pedal just seems silly to me.
September 22, 2009 at 4:54 pm #677688
JoBParticipantCait..
the most ignored safety issue on that stretch of road is the bus stop that is half way down the hill on the right as you drive towards the bridge.
if you live on the east side of admiral way.. and everyone does on that stretch… and you use the bus.. you will be crossing admiral way every time you get on a bus going downtown.
the only marked crosswalk on that stretch of road is at the top of the hill.. so you would have to walk up the hill, cross at the crosswalk and continue up the hill to access a safe bus stop.
i can’t speak for anyone else, but when i am not paying attention to my speedometer, the area of the bus stop is where i generally realize that my speed has crept up and i have to apply my brakes…
at the most dangerous spot for anyone wanting to access that bus stop.
and at the most dangerous spot for anyone wanting to pull out of the adjacent cross street.
Admiral Way is still a city street not a freeway access road.
September 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm #677689
swimcatMemberSome people on this thread really need to spend more time actually reading and comprehending other people’s posts instead of jumping to conclusions about what their intended message was or being completely judgmental.
KBear, waht do you think about the speed limits on 35th, Fauntleroy or Delridge? Do you ever drive on those roads? If you did, you’d realize that on those roads, there are MANY obstacles and dangers, and even though I like to drive fast I drive UNDER the speed limit on those because that is the SAFE (i.e. natural if you will) speed to go. Whereas on Admiral, there are NO OBSTACLES, it is downhill (ever heard of gravity I wonder???), and you’re heading onto an onramp for a bridge that has a high speed limit. In other words, SDOT has no logic in setting their speed limits.
Also, I have NEVER EVER seen a pedestrian on that stretch of Admiral. I highly doubt anyone that lives off of those sidestreets rides the bus, and if they did, they’d walk down to Harbor to catch one instead of waiting on Admiral.
September 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm #677690
maplesyrupParticipantThis morning I realized that the 30mph limit is great for when I want to eat a bagel while driving.
I can go nice and slow and still manage to glance at the speedometer occasionally.
September 22, 2009 at 5:28 pm #677691
KimberleyParticipantI’m one of those people who lives off of one of those Admiral side streets that gets on/off the bus on Admiral.
September 22, 2009 at 5:34 pm #677692
KBearParticipant“Also, I have NEVER EVER seen a pedestrian on that stretch of Admiral.”
Lots of drivers never ever see pedestrians. That may be part of the reason the speed limit is 30.
September 22, 2009 at 5:45 pm #677693
CMPParticipantKBear, some of us do actually look for pedestrians…my Defensive Driving class taught me that and it stuck with me. But maybe we’re too busy eating bagels, checking the speedometer and looking for speed traps to pay attention to anything else. Bottom line is that this road used to be 35 mph and a lot of us believe that’s the perfect speed for that road and that 30 mph is too slow. It’s a completely reasonable speed limit IMO. If you’re not comfortable driving that fast then maybe YOU should be giving up your license.
September 22, 2009 at 5:55 pm #677694
austinMemberI’m a good driver, the rules shouldn’t apply to me.
September 22, 2009 at 6:00 pm #677695
KBearParticipantI’d be happy to drive 35 on Admiral, but the speed limit is 30, and it really doesn’t bother me. SDOT has explained its reasoning, and I’m satisfied with that.
September 22, 2009 at 6:00 pm #677696
KBearParticipantI’d be happy to drive 35 on Admiral, but the speed limit is 30, and it really doesn’t bother me. SDOT has explained its reasoning, and I’m satisfied with that.
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