12 out of 18 dogs off leash at Lincoln Park this a.m.

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  • #642437

    aunteesocial
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    When I looked into reporting the violation of leash laws, it was Animal Control that had the online form to report- and a specific field for reporting leash violations in Seattle Parks. http://www.seattle.gov/animalshelter/ServiceRequest/ServiceRequest.asp

    I got an auto-reply indicating they received my form, but I will let you know if I hear anything more.

    I realize that Animal Control is busy and very likely under-staffed, but I really think someone should be enforcing these safety violations.

    There are matters perhaps more extreme, neglect, abuse, all of those awful unpleasantries, but dog bites are very serious issues as well. I’m getting the impression that one person issuing citations just at Lincoln Park could easily pay for this position in a couple of days! Not to mention, having someone there to alert police some of the other “goings on” at Lincoln Park. Are there ever patrols there? I saw police once, on the 4th of July, but I’m not there often enough to know.

    It is such a beautiful park, it’s too bad that we have to be on high alert when we visit. Such is life, I suppose.

    #642438

    thee
    Participant

    the keyboard damp with hot tears, the OP typed:

    “And yes, it is a riot to watch the dogs play in sand! What fun! I don’t like anything about the rules that dogs cannot be on the beach on leash. I do have trouble with that one, and I have a hard time smiling back at the people who are walking along the beach looking up at us on the path, my two tied up and wishing (I’m just guessing.. it’s me that is wishing) they could join in the fun. I think it’s best to have them on leash on a beach anyway because of all the dead junk they can roll in… ew. I’m sure they would love that, but yucko-!”

    man, those poor dogs…

    thee

    #642439

    aunteesocial
    Participant

    It’s gross but true. Their concept of fun- well I get most of it.. run, play, dig, fetch, roll in dead stuff..? Ew!

    #642440

    keleeso
    Member

    I wonder if one of the animal control groups could get someone to patrol the park in an overtime-type agreement… That way they are not taking resources currently in use and the fines they could potentially collect would more than cover the costs.

    #642441

    Traci
    Member

    I wonder how many people are reading this thread that DO let their dogs go leash-less at parks…

    I don’t have a dog and have honestly never even thought about this subject. I like seeing off-leash dogs swim in the water though, admittedly it always makes me smile. Hopefully those people leash them up when they’re out of the water.

    Anyway. If a few people are “enlightened” by this thread, your argument has diverted a future situation at the park.

    #642442

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    traci,

    I have said that I let my dog off leash and will continue to do so. I dont in large parks like Lincoln Park but I do at others. I even started a topic about it after some individuals were going to such extremes in the anti-threads as to suggest to call 911?!? I was surprised at the support I got by others like me who do and will continue to let our dogs off leash. I am sorry about the situation above, but do have to agree that if people are worried about aggressive dogs a leash is not going to stop them. They just arent that strong.

    #642443

    Traci
    Member

    Well…Some of them ARE that strong, but then it’s really a matter of owner responsibility. I knew someone that had the laziest, and I mean laziest Great Dane in the entire world. Couldn’t care less about what was going on around her. Then I know a couple smaller, harmless dogs that are lightening fast off the leash. They run and don’t stop!

    If you have a dog that’s calm and trustworthy leashless, I completely understand where you’re coming from (and thinking that the backlash is a little too much). But then it gets to the situation of “one person does it, then another, then another…” and then irresponsible dogs and their owners think it’s ok to loose the leash.

    Beachdrive, if you’re in a smaller park (or even parts of Lincoln Park, like the ballfields) – I think it’s almost mean not to let your dog chase a ball or run in the grass. It’s just a matter of knowing what your dog can and can’t handle.

    #642444

    CP
    Member

    I say this as a loving dog parent – I love my dog. But he’s a big slobbering idiot. No more than two brain cells to rub together at any given time. He’s ill behaved, kinda scary looking but in the end he’s just curious and lacking in social graces. I would never let him off the leash. EVER! I have a hard enough time taking him out in public ON a leash. He’s not aggressive, I could just see where he’d scare someone else.

    It’s really all about knowing your dog and using common sense. There are risks letting your dog off leash no matter their size that need to be acknowledged. I don’t mind well behaved off-leash dogs (and I agree it is entertaining to watch them have fun!) it’s just the ill behaved dogs (and owners!) that really ruin it for everyone else. Isn’t that how it always goes. A good thing ruined by people not using common sense.

    #642445

    beachdrivegirl
    Participant

    “A good thing ruined by people not using common sense.” –isnt that life?:)

    #642446

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    BDG, maybe you haven’t incurred this yet, but it doesn’t necessarily take a *known* aggressive dog to cause a problem in this scenario. Something psychological happens in their little doggie heads when a leashed dog meets up with un-leashed one. And it is often the one on the leash that lashes out first in response to the situation.

    When every dog is loose, such as the off leash park, they get along. If every dog is on a leash, they concentrate on their own agenda with their owner, and seem to ignore each other for the most part. There is trouble when you mix one of each. The leashed dog perceives some kind of threat. The off leash owners think to themselves it wasn’t my dog who started the aggression so I’m fine. When actually the mere fact of their dog being loose, is the cause of the threat.

    I get it when you’re way off by yourselves or in the little fenced area you’ve personally found. But for those in a busy public area open to all, it is selfish and rude to think you are not part of the problem having your dog run loose.

    #642447

    miws
    Participant

    “…..he’s a big slobbering idiot. No more than two brain cells to rub together at any given time. He’s ill behaved, kinda scary looking but in the end he’s just curious and lacking in social graces.”

    OMG, CP! You’ve just described ME! :-P

    Mike

    #642448

    CP
    Member

    LOL! Mike – that’s hilarious! I bet you’re housebroken though. My little bugger uses urine as a measure of letting us know when he’s mad. If he’s happy he will wait as long as it takes to get him outside… oh but when we hasn’t had his afternoon biscuit… it’s a different story.

    BDG – that’s the truth if I’ve EVER heard it. *sigh*

    #642449

    andee
    Participant

    Thank for posting this. Take heart, there are other folks out like yourself there who are really tired of a huge number of folks who do not want to subscribe to city ordinances,community cooperation and/or understand the lack of respect for others sharing the park with dogs (people, park wildlife and marine wildlife). I know it’s a bummer, but the codes are there for lots of good reasons, including your own dog,the safety of all park patrons, the peace of mind of all park patrons-especially children, pet waste, protection of marine habitat (the area between the shelter and the point is designated reserve – so in addition to no dogs allowed on Seattle beaches – double the bad for being in the reserve area, especially off leash).

    Some days it’s so annoying for both myself and my dog that I have counted them myself. There are ALWAYS a few and sometimes I have seen similar scenarios – tends to be in the “off” times (maybe when folks think less of a chance to be caught?)

    There are patrols in Lincoln Park and have seen them handing out tickets on the beach, but granted they aren’t here very often.

    I know the regulations are not palatable to our desire to see our charge roam and play freely, but until they change, that’s part of living and SHARING our parks with 600,000 other Seattle citizens, and an estimated 125,000 Seattle dogs. Only about 9 or 10 city parks that are actually big enough to take a dog for a decent walk….that’s a potential 14,000 dogs sharing any given park area. That can add up to a lot of potential conflict without leash laws.

    I would love to see an exemption if you could pass a test to show complete voice command control. Not many owners are capable of that, but maybe it would be good incentive. My experience is though, that those same owners are not the ones with the dogs off-leash.

    #642450

    smikes
    Member

    I visit Lincoln Park occasionally, and have encountered the non-leash people. I have had occasion to tell people a couple of times to get there animal under control because it came over (uninvited) to my leashed dog. The arrogant and defensive responses I’ve received from these people are astounding. Really, you think you are justified in defending your actions when you are clearly breaking the rules? Sounds like you are inviting confrontation.

    Secondly, anybody who knows my german shepherd thinks he is one of the sweetest, most well behaved dogs they’ve come across. People have actually asked me if I’m a police officer or if he’s a police dog, because he minds pretty darn well – much above average. But here’s the thing – most of the time, he doesn’t like dogs that are measurably smaller than him. Seems like many of you offleashers think it’s just peachy to have your small dog come check my dog out when I’m trying to walk away to avoid a possible situation. Then when my dog snaps or snarls at yours, all of sudden we are the bad guys. Get a clue!

    #642451

    datamuse
    Participant

    You know, honestly? I would love it if we could let dogs roam freely. I’ve been in places where they do, legally, and by and large it isn’t a problem.

    But, legalities aside, the sheer number of aggressive dogs (and if charging, chasing, growling, and nipping at my clothes aren’t aggressive behaviors, I’d sure like to know what is–does it only count if there’s blood?) I’ve personally encountered in the last few months alone makes it really hard for me to support the idea.

    I’d like to think it’s not just me; I don’t behave in a hostile way to dogs I encounter, and MOST of the time it’s okay. When it isn’t, yes, I do call animal control. I haven’t yet seen a convincing argument for not doing so.

    #642452

    JoB
    Participant

    I’m with smikes…

    someone decides their dog shouldn’t have to obey the rules.. and then walks or runs without paying any attention to where their dog is.

    When i call to ask them to leash their dog, many of them act like i am the problem…

    my dogs are always leashed… and if on a retractable leash, i know exactly where they are.

    If everyone else in the park knew exactly where their animal was and what they are doing, there wouldn’t be a problem.

    but there is.

    #642453

    AlkiDebbie
    Participant

    Lincoln Park is only a few blocks away from my house but I never take my yorkie there because I’m afraid the aggresive big dogs will atack her. It would be nice if people would obey the rules so we could all enjoy the park.

    #642454

    RS
    Member

    Thank you AlkiDebbie! I made this point on a similar thread a while back. Saying “I let my dog off-leash, but only when there aren’t people around” or “my dog has never bothered anyone while off-leash” just doesn’t cut it. Your seemingly harmless actions may have deterred many people from even GOING to that park in the first place. If I was afraid of dogs or had small children or skittish dogs myself and I was reading this thread or heard about all the off-leash dogs at a certain park, or even drove by and saw off-leash dogs, I would then have to avoid that park out of fear. That isn’t right or fair.

    #642455

    spana
    Member

    To piggyback on what RS said, and possibly repeat a sentiment I skimmed over, I am a dog owner that HATES off leash dogs. My little weiner is no prince: he has some issues. I would love to take him to places like Lincoln Park, but just keeping HIM leashed isn’t enough — if a big (or small) dog comes bounding towards him, even happily, he’s going to respond aggressively out of fear. And I couldn’t even really blame the other dog for responding in turn, but I can blame the owner for having their pet off leash somewhere they shouldn’t be.

    #642456

    miws
    Participant

    “I bet you’re housebroken though.”

    Ermmm….no comment….

    *Embarrassed*

    Mike

    #642457

    datamuse
    Participant

    RS: as I said previously, off-leash dogs have deterred me from going to certain parks. One could argue that that’s my problem to deal with, and so I suppose it is. On the other hand, it feels a lot like being penalized for other people’s disregard of the law. Which, you know, sort of sucks.

    #642458

    RS
    Member

    It totally sucks, datamuse! The laws are in place so that everyone can enjoy the parks. I love dogs and I have a dog but I also respect that many people DON’T like dogs or are afraid of them. I think too many dog owners forget that.

    #642459

    B-squared
    Participant

    As someone who volunteers in the monthly Friends of Lincoln Park Cleanup (restoring native forested areas), i can’t tell you how annoying it is to be doing restoration work and having off-leash dog bounding through the underbrush, off-trail no less! I visit the park to enjoy nature (the plants and animals that live there) and i try to give back. and while i love animals, there are rules for reasons. One man i met on the beach bragged that his dog had gone after a seal in the water.

    I honestly don’t get what compels people to be so selfish. especially in light of all of the examples of the impact of off leash behavior on this blog alone. It can’t even be ignorance anymore after reading all of the above. The off-leash people just don’t seem to give a sh*t about anyone else.

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