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January 14, 2008 at 6:50 pm #586243
Topic: Butcher in West Seattle needed
in forum Open DiscussionWSMomParticipantWouldn’t it be great to shop at a local butcher shop with a real live meat cutter in residence. Our local fish market is doing great (according to one of the employees) and I think our community could support a stand alone old fashioned butcher!
January 14, 2008 at 6:49 pm #586242Topic: online voter registration and change of address
in forum PoliticsKenParticipantonline voter registration link to Sec of State page
We do everything else online…
You must have a current state ID or drivers Licence to use this page.
If you have moved since your last vote, you can call the king county elections hotline 206-296-VOTE (8683) to report your new address.
You can also send a fax. Details are on this page
January 14, 2008 at 5:19 pm #613869In reply to: Class directory
AnonymousInactiveNo, unfortunately there is no class directory at Roxhill Elementary. It is heartbreaking that our daughter had to forgo a birthday party just because no one even bothered to RSVP. What more could I have done, I went to the school and handed out in person the invites, I went again to deliver cupcakes and both times I told the kids that if they wanted to come to the party we need to receive a call from an adult so we know how much food, etc… to bring.
I guess I an old fashion but I was always brought up to call or tell someone in person if I planned or not to go to a party.
As my husband told me it was not my place to contact people even if we had an email address or phone number, that would be tacky. If for some reason not everyone had transporation we would have helped them out.
We still would like to throw a party for our daughter but how do we when people don’t RSVP????
January 14, 2008 at 9:16 am #613847JanSParticipantflipjack…I wasn’t saying that you didn’t vote…I read what you said, and I concur. It’s the voting that allows us to bitch. :) If I didn’t take the time to go out and vote and at least have my say, then I should keep my mouth shut if I don’t like the results…that’s what I was saying.So…as cynical as we may be, we vote, and that allows us to grouse as much as we want :)
January 14, 2008 at 7:33 am #613846KenParticipantTo paraphrase my mom:
Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism until someone loses an eye.
Election fraud is the correct term rather than voter fraud. Voter fraud is mostly a myth of the republicans who are intent on reducing turnout and disenfranchising voters of historically Democratic voting blocks. Note in this state the only recent cases of voter fraud uncovered in 2004 were all Republicans voting for Rossi.
Election fraud is much more difficult to detect and the safeguards run counter to the business model currently in use. The more speedy and efficient the process, the more vulnerable it is to single point failures and manipulation.
However you are in luck in King county. You can monitor the thing yourself. If you are a party member, you can even get paid to do so. Contact your district chair and tell them you wish to be an official observer for the next election. There are several people who are regulars in this function but often several slots open up.
Also any citizen with a pulse and a drivers license can sign in as an observer at most if not all of the venues where the ballots are received, stored, counted and tabulated.
I have done such duty myself. I also happen to know that while they probably will not comment on this thread, about 2/3rds of those who are long term employees of the King County elections offices, seem to live in West Seattle…. and are hardworking, honest people who would blow the whistle if anything obvious or underhanded was done within their sight or hearing.
The nature of the combination of Windows, Access database, and secrecy by the vendor Diebold of the underlying code and scripts, continue to fuel the suspicions of anyone who understands the nature of computers and the proven vulnerabilities of the various components used in the “black box” part of the tabulating software.
Open source code and transparency is the only viable fix as I see it but that is probably a long ways off here in the heart of Microsoft and the place where millions of people use computers without understanding either how they work or how they can be compromised without any indication to the user.
The shift to vote by mail will actually remove one of the potential failure points in the chain of custody of pre tabulated votes. The memory cards. The majority of the vulnerabilities discovered by computer scientist given access to various voting machines, could most easily be compromised via code introduced into memory cards.
That’s enough for tonight. If anyone wants a long rundown of the king county elections processes circa 2004-2006, let me know and I will pull out my notes and the boxes of records and reports I had to sign off on.
January 14, 2008 at 4:03 am #613466In reply to: WS Plumbers
JimmyGMemberO’Neill Plumbers on California.
We’ve used them 3 times (side sewer replacement, minor basement repairs) and they’ve been awesome.
When we bought our house in 1995 there was an old flyer of some kind from the 1960’s stapled to a basement joist from O’Neill’s. They’ve been in business a long time with good customer service.
January 14, 2008 at 1:06 am #586235Topic: Class directory
in forum Open DiscussionAnonymousInactiveI remember that when our daughter was in preschool both at West Seattle Preschool at the YMCA and than at Little Pilgrims she had several playdates with many of her classmates but since she is in elementary school and most of the parents work and the school has a policy of not giving out personal information such as addresses or phone number how is it playdates are handled nowadays???
We were going to throw our daughter a birthday party, I handed out the invites and brought in some cupcakes and I explained to the kids they needed to let their parents or an adult at their house know and call us one way or the other if they were coming tot he party. Not one person called and so we had to cancel the party. Why is it that people don’t RSVP nowadays? Is this another rule I have missed?
January 13, 2008 at 9:11 am #613841WSBKeymasterFlip – which do you think is less corruptible/corrupted, voting in person or voting by mail? Just curious.
January 13, 2008 at 6:00 am #613839flipjackParticipant(From the Rolling Stone article in the above link)
“American history is littered with vote fraud — but rather than learning from our shameful past and cleaning up the system, we have allowed the problem to grow even worse. If the last two elections have taught us anything, it is this: The single greatest threat to our democracy is the insecurity of our voting system. If people lose faith that their votes are accurately and faithfully recorded, they will abandon the ballot box. Nothing less is at stake here than the entire idea of a government by the people.
Voting, as Thomas Paine said, ”is the right upon which all other rights depend.” Unless we ensure that right, everything else we hold dear is in jeopardy.”
January 13, 2008 at 5:45 am #613693In reply to: Let’s hear it for Sen. Clinton…or not
flipjackParticipantI just wonder which country she would try to bomb first. She can’t seem to wipe the blood of innocent women and children in Iraq off of her hands right now.
Anyone stupid enough to give a guy like Bush any kind of authority to go to war needs their head, heart, and soul(if they have one)thouroughly examined. That goes for all the candidates who voted for the Iraq Occupation.
I’m just a regular citizen and I knew bush and co. were lying through their teeth just by looking at them speak.
January 12, 2008 at 11:36 pm #613812addParticipantI’m copying this from the post I made in the “list of schools & links” topic:
Another resource for pre-school info can be found on the West Seattle PEPS website – it’s about 2 years old but still good at-a-glance info:
January 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm #613811BonnieParticipantMy daughter goes to Little Pilgrims and we love it. They are at Fauntleroy Church. It’s time to check preschools out now. Don’t wait for spring because registration starts in Feb/March.
January 12, 2008 at 3:20 pm #586230Topic: WS Bridge Tips…anyone?
in forum WSB Reader RecommendationskParticipantI have to get to work near Pioneer Square everday. Taking the WS Bridge to 1st is the quickest option, but it’s a mess 3 out of 5 days a week. There’s NEVER enough time to get over and get off the bridge. Most of the time it forces traffic into the bus lane. Out of necessity, not of want to break the law. Yesterday, madame motorcycle policewoman pulled several of us over, calling us “children who can’t act like adults and follow rules or she would give us 110 reasons to follow them”. Her immediate request was for us all to get out of the bus lane. Had we done that, accidents would have occurred and chaos. Please someone, what is the trick to negotiating our beloved bridge??? HELP???
January 12, 2008 at 7:07 am #586229WSBKeymasterIn case anyone is interested, we had a Reader Recommendation Request thread on preschools back in August:
KenParticipantThe references and sources are on the foot note page.
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes_1.htm
The footnotes and sources for the entire book are at the link on the top left of the home page at
under the words:View and verify sources cited in the book:
This link is then provided.
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes.htm
A cursory glance indicates that most of the cited documents are online At the LOC if a little hard to read due to the 18th century spelling and font and the dark patina of the medium.
The sentence you quote makes little sense outside the context of the preceding and following paragraphs. It’s almost as if one were following the example of a local institute who attempt to cast doubt on an idea or theory by picking at one part of it and then declaring that the entire body of work acquired over decades, must be ignored and the magical explanation is thereby proven.
Let’s post a little more of the chapter and see.
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From History Forgotten, the most widely circulated of the internet lists: “Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of Scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society.1 Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.â€
William Federer’s version of the 1777 Bible story is typical of those found in the majority of religious right American history books. It tells half of the real story, includes a quote from an actual committee report, but ends with a fabricated resolution. The resolution is created to change the outcome of the story from Congress dropping the matter, which is what really happened, to Congress proceeding to import the Bibles. Tim LaHaye’s version, that Congress printed Bibles for the Indians, has absolutely no basis in fact. But, as drastically different as their stories are, both Federer and LaHaye cite the same pages from the Journals of the Continental Congress as their source.
In addition to changing the outcome of the story, none of the religious right American history books fully explain why Congress was considering importing the Bibles in the first place. Most mention that the war with England caused a shortage of Bibles, which is true, but this is only half the story. Congress’s consideration of the matter had to do with the prevention of price gouging.
Not all Americans during the Revolutionary War were the virtuous, Christian citizens portrayed in the religious right version of American history.Many were taking advantage of war shortages and charging outrageous prices for just about anything they could get their hands on. No product was safe – not even Bibles. The widespread problem of price gouging prompted numerous attempts by individual states, groups of states, and Congress to regulate prices, none of which were very successful. With less than half the country in favor of the war to begin with, Congress was very concerned with minimizing hardships like high prices and shortages of items previously imported from England.In 1777, three ministers from Philadelphia, Francis Alison, John Ewing, and William Marshall, came up with a plan to alleviate the Bible shortage. Their idea was to import the necessary type and paper, and print an edition in Philadelphia. The problem with this plan, however, was that, if the project was financed and controlled by private companies, the Bibles would most likely be bought up and resold at prices that the average American couldn’t afford.
Rev. Alison wrote a memorial to Congress, explaining the dilemma and asking for help. What the ministers wanted Congress to do was finance the printing, as a loan to be repaid by the sale of the Bibles. As Rev. Alison explained in the memorial, if Congress imported the type and paper, and Congress contracted the printer, then Congress could regulate the selling price of the Bibles.
End excerpt (note there is more of this chapter available in the web site, but it is truncated at the end of the next page I believe)
I have to take the time to figure out which markup plugin is being used here since formatting quotes and sub quotes is getting ugly…
January 12, 2008 at 1:05 am #613406In reply to: WS Rentals
acemotelParticipantanother house on SW Charlestown between California and 44th. looks cute from the outside.
January 11, 2008 at 9:11 am #613152In reply to: Favorite West Seattle Coffee Shop?
DeenoMemberILOL
You all sound like Steve Martin in ‘L A Stories’ quite a few years ago. Rent it sometime and see and hear for yourselves. Raise your hand if you talk on your cellphone while ordering your drink.
Re: Howard Schultz taking over again? We are so fortunate! Guess his work with the Sonics is done huh? He really turned around the customer service there!
January 11, 2008 at 7:16 am #613608In reply to: Button pushing…
WesMemberIt’s late and I’m tired so the fire burns lower. =)
I hope that woman did not say it that way to you. I would have told you that Jesus said He was the only way to God. So anyone who makes that kind of statement, did the miraculous things He did, and spoke about a place of eternal torement as well as a place of eternal life, I think is worth seeing if He is right or wrong. Because if He is wrong then you might not have anything to worry about so go do whatever you want, but if He is right then we should see what He has to say about how to get to God and have eternal life.
This would be fair to ask right?
I can tell you what Jesus said and the claims He made and the things He has done and what He says are the consequences of what He says, good and bad, and love you to death no matter what, but if God is drawing you to Jesus, then investigate it and see if it’s true, for yourself, not what the crazy preacher man on TBN says, or on the WSB ;p,but what the Bible says. That seems fair and it does become your free will choice.
Cheers Jan!
January 11, 2008 at 7:06 am #613793WesMemberKen, you starting to make me think you are bit of a conspiracy theorist….
So people are not perfect and when any religion has too much power abuse begins, I agree. People have agendas? Most people do. But this swings everywhere, not just the “religious right”. Almost everyone in politics, or it seems, does things that some people do not like.
Do you like Dave Barry?
“The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and time again that they have the management skills of celery. They’re the kind of people who’d stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisinart, let alone the economy. The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn’t bother to stop because they’d want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club.”
Soo good, everyone is guilty, everyone is fallen, just like Findlay said.
Findlay, email me sometime!
January 11, 2008 at 6:58 am #613607In reply to: Button pushing…
JanSParticipantWes…absolutely…there is always the chance that a belief/feeling will influence their decisions. This particular belief/feeling…the separation of church and state…is kind of important.
Even we will use our personal feelings/beliefs to make this momentous decision.
“It’s interesting that what I was taught about those that were coming to America to settle, were those that were being oppressed by religion in their countries. They wanted to worship freely.” Absolutely on that one, too, Wes…freedom from religious persecution….I suppose that’s why I have a difficult time with people who want to cram their religion down my throat. I even had the woman who stood up for me at my wedding tell me that if I didn’t believe as she did (her version of being “born again”) that I was going straight to hell. She sat in my living room with a straight face and told me that…I showed her the door, and never invited her back again.
So… a little insight into where I’m coming from, I suppose…
We just need to read, read, read some more…and make the best decision that’s right for us based on our beliefs….
Wes, you almost sound like you’re mellowing a bit :)
WesMemberAgain, the writer of the book “Liars for Jesus” makes some claims without basis himself and tells stories without citing references. Those things that he does cite seem true enough, though looking up those documents yourself seems to be what the book is calling on us to do ourselves. So they too have an agenda and a presupposition and I suppose if we wanted to know the truth we too can search those documents as well, right?
Case in point “Not all Americans during the Revolutionary War were the virtuous, Christian citizens portrayed in the religious right version of American history.”(Liars for Jesus, Chapter 1, Congress and the Bible, pg3, 3rd para). Who has made this claim for the author to refute it and why is he not citing a source for this? Also how does he know? He must be assuming, becasue a)as far as I know there is no time machine invented and b)it’s historical and can not be repeated exactly. It may be true or not but make your case Chris Rodda, so we don’t think we are beliving in more lies about suspected lies! And we as individuals should ask and look for these things too. Would you not agree?
January 11, 2008 at 6:28 am #613606In reply to: Button pushing…
WesMemberKayleigh, (I really like that name by the way) what date does science give about the age of the Earth today anyways? I think it just got bumped up last month to almost 1 billion. It seems that both have no clue how old the earth is.
Good stuff Ken, but as always I have to take this with a grain of salt, considering daily kos does have it’s own biases about how they think things should be too. But I would agree, what does our military have to do with evangelism?
Also the other article by the kos points out particulars about this very weird house resolution, and says, “It’s a lie.” Ok, show how this is a lie. In all fairness for me to find something you have written and then write in response, “It’s a lie.” would not be just. If it’s true let’s see it. Just because they say it doesn’t make it true, and that goes the same with those pushing for the bill. It still doesn’t seem like theocracy, which I would again assert has nothing to do with the New Testament or Jesus in any way.
As far as Rushdooney’s quote, and I have no idea who he is, what was the context for that statement?
Gary North’s comments are not at all correct biblically and is quite laughable.
It’s interesting that what I was taught about those that were coming to America to settle, were those that were being oppressed by religion in their countries. They wanted to worship freely.
Jan, would it be fair to say that every canidate, despite what they say, will make decisions based of their own presuppositions and beliefs that will affect us daily?
In the end I am still undecided, just like last time.
Good times neighbors!
January 11, 2008 at 6:15 am #613792FindlayMemberKen,
I would just say that you shouldn’t focus on what the “religious right” does. We are fallen people who follow are own way. Our actions are not obvious God-like as I’m sure your personal actions are sometimes not.
I would just listen to the message of the Gospel and make up your mind on where you stand.
The Gospel (â€Good Newsâ€)
There is one God who created everything (Heaven and Earth). That God is all powerful and is without sin.
God created man who fell, by trying to be God (worshiping creation rather than creator). In other words, we create idols (house, car, vacation, family, job, intellect, etc.) that lead us away from God.
Man is eternally separated from God in a state of rebellion. Man will die, permanently separated from the God of the Universe without a plan for salvation.
God so loved the world that he created that he sent his own son (Jesus) into creation to take on our sin so that we may be reconciled to him.
The Holy Spirit purpose is to convict us of our sin and to point us to Christ. By turning towards Jesus, God removes the sin the separates us from him.
The Bible was divinely inspired by God to allow us to learn about Jesus and the perfect plan of redemption.
If you doubt that God could do all such things, then your God is too small!
The New Year would be a perfect time to turn from your current ways (if not a Christian), keeping your eyes on eternity, with a new life of meaning, living for the God of the Universe rather than yourself.
This has nothing to do with elections, a Christion-nation, homophobia, men/women domination, abortion, etc.
It is just figuring out that you are not the center of your universe and that there is an eternal being that you need to be justified with.
As C.S. Lewis said, was Jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or Lord. You must make a decision!
January 11, 2008 at 5:19 am #613605In reply to: Button pushing…
JanSParticipantWes…I don’t like the way Mr. Romney has flip-flopped on quite a few things to satisfy different constituents over time…simple enough.
Mr. Huckabee? He can tell us all he wants that his religion will have nothing to do with his being president, but, let’s face it, he is more than just a lay person out there. He’s a Baptist minister…and I think there’s a side to him that he’s not quite being honest about. I think he would have a difficult time keeping the gov’t part and the religious part separate. I have no problem with him or anyone labelling themselves Christian. I do have a problem with my country’s leaders telling me that I have to believe that way, too…having it influence what would affect me on a daily basis…..and it’s just my opinion that ultimately he would do that.
On a political level, I’m not sure that either has the experience of dealing with foreign powers to be sufficient to deal with the things that we’re involved in right now in the world.
Ken…thanks for the very interesting reading…
January 10, 2008 at 6:32 pm #613598In reply to: Button pushing…
KenParticipantWes. Do you know anything about the history of the Southern Baptist convention and the changes made to it when it was taken over by Dominionist and Reconstructionists in 1979-1980?
Do you understand they forced out theologians and teachers that allowed any variations from the literal interpretation of the Bible, young earth creationism, and the paramount importance of the Old Testament and especially Leviticus?
The Baptist used to vary greatly since one of the tenants of their faith was that God revealed his message to each minister and member through his or her own study of the Bible. This “free will” was a core value of the protestant reformation since it took power from the feudal catholic church’s authoritarian abuse.
Here is a link to two of the better history and time-line pages.
http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mbn/sbc_changes.htm
http://www.mchorse.com/sbcchronology.htm
Huckabee may not have been in on the takeover but he has continued to adhere to its message which will lead inevitably to a theocracy.
Gimme a mainstream Christian of any denomination and you will hear nothing from me on their religion until they too start mixing church and state.
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