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February 28, 2008 at 6:55 pm #615998
In reply to: Old Jeep needs a transmission…
AnonymousInactiveWhat Make and Model? My husband is working right now to replace the tranmission on his toyota truck a 1999, he did most of the work himself with the help of his brother and took the tranmission part to Huddlesons in White Center. Malo Auto Parts is another good place to try.
AnonymousInactiveAre You Liable for Your Dog’s
Aggressive Behavior?
The Answer is YES!
Please use the drop down menu above for information about specific insurance companies.
If you own a dog, you are liable for its behavior and whether you are a homeowner or a renter, you should make sure that you are a responsible dog owner and that your insurance policy covers that liability.
This issue is not just about dogs with aggressive behavior. As a responsible owner, you must be able to control your dog and protect people even from overly friendly behavior. We recently heard from a reader in Delaware who was being cancelled by her insurance company because her very friendly large dog jumped on a pedestrian and not meaning any harm, scratched the person’s arm.
If you think this is not a big issue, consider that about 20% of total homeowners’ insurance liability payouts in the United States are dog bite related. In 1999 that amount was $310 million. The total annual cost of dog bites is well over a billion dollars.
That is one of the main reasons why many insurance companies are refusing to insure specific dog breeds. And the lists are getting longer.
A number of insurance companies and the Insurance Information Institute provide serious and valuable information related to dog bite prevention and we hope you will visit the web sites linked in this article. If you need specific information about your state, click here for a list of state insurance offices.
WARNING! If you are a dog owner, before you purchase a home or rent a house or apartment, you need to find out about local dog laws as they relate to the breed of dog you own. You also need to investigate insurance companies to make sure you will be able to secure homeowner’s or renter’s liability coverage. Many companies are refusing to write new policies if you own a certain breed of dog regardless of the dog’s history and at this time, no two insurance companies seem to have the same do-not-insure lists.
“I am encouraged by the fact that some insurance companies seem to understand dog behavior and recognize that each dog is unique. They are working to educate their dog-owning policy holders about the importance of obedience training, kind and loving care and responsible ownership. But I am discouraged by the fact that some insurance companies’ are taking the position that aggression is breed specific and therefore are expanding their lists of breeds that they will not cover in homeowners’ liability insurance policies,” says Uncle Matty. “There are good and bad dogs in every breed. The education of dog owners and the training of dogs is the best way to reduce aggressive behavior and prevent needless tragedies and expense.”
If you have been denied insurance or are having trouble obtaining homeowners insurance, we would like to hear from you. We would also like to know about insurance companies that will write new policies if you have any of the pitt bull breeds, a Rottweiler, German Shepherd Dog, Chow Chow, Great Dane, Doberman Pinscher, Huskie or any other dog for which you were previously denied coverage. Please use the “Gazette Editor” e-mail icon at the top of this article.
Editor’s Note: Municipal and state laws that have been adopted or are being considered that declare a particular dog breed or breeds as vicious, means that you will most likely be turned down for homeowners insurance if you own one of the specified breeds, regardless of the insurance company involved. It is the position of Uncle Matty and the Woof Gazetteâ„¢ that aggression in dogs is not breed specific and therefore laws that are breed specific should not be enacted.
Canine aggression is the result of bad breeding and irresponsible owners. The risk of dog bites or dog bite related fatalities, is exacerbated by lack of training, socialization and abuse of any kind. The potential for a dog to be aggressive exists in any breed, therefore, a reasonable person would argue, “Outlaw one breed and you might as well outlaw them all.” It makes more sense to take action against bad breeding and any abusive treatment of dogs, including dog fighting. It also makes sense to enact laws that outlaw the breeding of dogs for the purpose of fighting.
If any dog shows signs of aggressive behavior, the owner should seek help immediately from a qualified professional who understands aggressive behavior and how to deal with it appropriately.
Please be aware of any pending legislation related to dogs and dog ownership in your community. If you disagree with the proposed legislation let your voice be heard by your state and/or local officials. Join the efforts of breeders, dog clubs and other groups. If your insurance company is proposing underwriting by breed, also let your voice be heard. Contact your local insurance agent and write to the company’s corporate headquarters. We also encourage you to let us know of any proposed legislation or the rejection of homeowners’ insurance based on breed of dog. Please use the “Editor Icon” at the top of this article.
February 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm #616070In reply to: Gas Furnace Replacement Needed
JustanMemberWe just had a replacement gas furnace installed by Burien Natural Gas Service. They were out 1 day to estimate and did the install the next morning. I asked if perhaps a slightly more powerful fan would be a good idea as we were thinking about putting in AC in the future. They did this and I’m delighted with the results. The house heats in about half the time of the old gas furnace.
I’ve had many quotes, and these folks came in the most reasonable and were not heavily laden with the BS I received from a number of other companies. I could tell you many stores about the lies other folks do, but 1 will suffice:
Another company came out to provide an estimate. I told them I wanted a single stage 80% efficient gas furnace. That is what was being replaced. The old furnace was in place for close to 30 years and worked fine until about the last year. I also said that we are thinking of adding air conditioning in the future. They insisted on doing a bogus “space analysis,†in which the idiot estimator all but demanded access to every room in the house. I refused and she actually got angry. Then when the quote came back, they insisted that only a 90% efficient unit would do. They wanted to abandon the in-place and perfectly functioning exhaust system and install their own, they demanded that they install the coil for the A/C unit, and they wanted to do this at a cost to me of almost $6,000.00. I could imagine a few utterly useless and pricy add-ons that they would demand at installation time as well. Naturally they didn’t get the job.
The guy I worked with at Burien Gas Service is named Jeremy. He was honest, gave me a very reasonable price (about $2,600), and as I said, extraordinarily fast service.
Also I debate the wisdom of using a heat pump verses a gas furnace. A heat pump will provide A/C as well as heating, so it is somewhat less costly than having a furnace and an A/C unit, but there is no way on this planet that a heat pump is less costly to operate than a gas furnace. The reason is the cost per thermal unit. Electricity is far far more costly than natural gas. Look it up for yourself and make an informed decision.
Note that I have no relation with the companies mentioned other than as a customer.
February 28, 2008 at 5:48 pm #616028In reply to: Potential dog park locations ?
RainyDay1235MemberGreat idea! What would be best – one email with names (“signatures”) or individual emails to Laurie Dunlap and David Della (david.della@seattle.gov)? I can’t locate her email online…..
AnonymousInactiveHere is what I found online on agressive dog breeds:
What is the most aggressive dog breed?
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Any dog breed can be aggresive or vicious. The bottom line is, if a dog is not properly raised and trained, it has the opportunity to becaome an aggresive dog. Unfortunatley, many breeds have been abused and have gained an aggresive reputation. I have known some Dachsunds, Poodles, and Chihuahas that have been more aggresive than Pitt Bulls or Rottweilers. It is a shame that a whole breed is placed in a category because of irresponsible dog owners.
Answer
wolf
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the first answer is spot on!!! :) Dogs arent naturally an agressive animal, but they can be trained to be, for example by dog fighters or miss treatment.
A lot of people confuse a dog biting/attacking out of fright, as aggression, when in fact, in the dogs mind it is self defense, eg. person approaches stange dog, dog is wagging tail, person puts hand down towards dogs head to stroke it, dog bites hand. The person sees it as an agressive dog, but with understanding of dog behaviour it is self defense.
From the dogs point of view: –
hey, you walked up to my face (approaching from the front is agressive behaviour in dog language),
I showed you I was frightened but I’d fight if I had to (tail wag – a wagging tail can me happy, exited, frightened, ready for action),
but you still went for me (hand on top of head is a very dominating thing to do to a dog you don’t know).
This scenareo is the smame as 1 man running towards a stranger, shaking his fist, while the stranger says, please don’t hurt me, or I’ll be forced to hit you. The man still running so the stranger gives him a punch in the face. Most people can see this as self defense, but when a dog defends it self people call it aggresive.
Answer
Actually, fear is a type of aggression. This is called fear motivated aggression. Also, not all dogs are the same. Certain breeds of dogs tend to be more aggressive then others, no matter how they are raised, not that this is not a factor. The other types of aggression are dominance, territorial, possessive, protective, and redirected aggression.
Potentially aggressive breeds:
Llasa Apso: can be cranky with kids
Toy poodles: bite out of self defense
Dachsunds: not very patient
Rhodesian Ridgebacks: very dominant breed
Miniature Pinschers: “big dog” mindset in little body
Pekinese: intolerant
Chihuahuas: prefer adults, not tolerant of kids
Chow Chow: one-person dogs, bite without warning
Giant Schnauzers: very dominant breed, will even challenge adults
Old English Sheep Dog: very protective of owner
Cocker Spaniel: very protective of owner
Rottweilers: very protective
Typically gentle breeds that have “bad boy” reputations:
German Shepherd: great with kids
Bulldog: gentle, playful
Rottweilers: can be gentle, affectionate
Great Danes: gentle, affectionate
Boxers: good with kids
Mastiffs-very docile
February 28, 2008 at 6:38 am #586468Topic: Explorers West
in forum WSB Reader RecommendationsAnonymousInactiveI would like some insight from parents of students who attend Explorers West. Our youngest daughter and son attended a fair awhile back that was held at this school and we are trying to found options for middle school.
AnonymousInactivePit Bulls and dog bite related human fatalities
A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association in September, 2000 reports that in the 20 years studied (1979 to 1998) “Pit-bull type dogs” and Rottweilers were involved in one half of approximately 300 dog bite related fatalities in the US[3]. Another study of American and Canadian dog bite-related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of fatal dog attacks. [4] This study also noted: “Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children.”
[edit] Pit bulls as pets
In many shelters across the United States, pit bulls or dogs that appear to be pit bulls comprise a large portion of the shelter’s population and may be destroyed due to the stigma associated with the breed (or because of overcrowding). [5]
Nevertheless, they can and often do make wonderful family pets. Known to generations of American children as the dog from the Little Rascals and Our Gang shows, the pit bull has frequently been among America’s most popular dog breeds. The American Temperament Testing Society gives the American Pit Bull Terrier breed a “pass” percentage of 84.1%. The average of all breeds is 81.5%. [6]
Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of the breed [11], there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner’s responsibility to be in total control of his dog, and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for pit bull bites. Many attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as “pit bulls” by media reports.[7]
Regardless of who they are, any owner of a pit bull must train the dog well. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, pit bulls (or any other large breed) can become very dangerous dogs. [8]
Banning of pit bulls
This table shows places where Pit Bulls have been banned or where bans were proposed.
[edit] Global
Place Status Type Date Banned Details
Ontario, Canada[9] Active Province August 29, 2005 Pit bulls are not allowed to be imported into or brought through Ontario. Severe fines are in place for bringing new pit bulls into Ontario. Pit bulls owned prior to August 29, 2005 are grandfathered in. All grandfathered pit bulls of over 36 weeks of age are required to be sterilized immediately. Grandfathered pit bulls must be muzzled and leashed on a leash of less than 1.8 metres while in public. Sale of non-grandfathered pit bulls to residents of Ontario is illegal.
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada[10] Active City 1990 Pit Bulls are not allowed to be in Winnipeg by law.
Australia Active Country March 10, 2006 Legislation and implementation dates varies across the different states, but here is the start of a list of the legislation in the various states: New South Wales[11], Victoria[12], Western Australia[13], Queensland[14], Australian Capital Territory, Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania.
France[15] Active Country April 30, 1999 Ownership restricted; non-pure-breed animals resembling pit-bulls are to be surgically neutered
Norway Active Country 1991
United Kingdom[16] Active Country August 12, 1991 Specific breeds and similar cross-breeds banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991
Denmark Active Country Banned alongside the Tosa in 1991 along with any non-pure-bred dog where either of the races are among the parent or grandparent animals
New Zealand Active Country Must be microchipped, muzzled in public, and cannot be publicly advertised for sale
The Netherlands Active Country 1993
[edit] United States
Place Status Type Date Details
Delta, Utah[17] Active City
Independence, Missouri Active City 2006
Overland Park, Kansas Active City
Springville, Utah[18] Active City
Miami-Dade County, Florida[19] Active County 1989 Section 5 Code 17: “It is illegal in Miami-Dade County to own any dog which substantially conforms to a pit bull breed dog, unless it was specially registered with Miami-Dade County prior to 1989. Acquisition or keeping of a pit bull dog: $500.00 fine and County Court action to force the removal of the animal from Miami-Dade County.”
Council Bluffs, Iowa[20] Active City 2004
Royal City, Washington[21] Active City January 12, 2007
Denver, Colorado[22] Active City 9 May 2005 First banned in 1980s, but later revoked
Prince George’s County, Maryland[23] Active County 1996
Yonkers, NY[citation needed] Active City November 3, 2006
Springfield, Missouri[24] Active City April 13, 2006
Oklahoma[25] Proposed State June 21, 2005
Shelbyville, Tennessee[26] Proposed City November 18, 2006
New York City, NY[27] Proposed City December 28, 2006
Aurora, Colorado[28] Proposed City September 27, 2005
Youngstown, Ohio[29] Proposed City January 10, 1999
Richland, Washington[21] Proposed City December 21, 2006
Tupelo, Mississippi[30] Proposed City September 28, 2006
Parker, Colorado[31] Proposed City January 17, 2006
Chicago, Illinois[32] Proposed City November 17, 2005
Enumclaw, Washington Active City
Gresham, Oregon Active City March 3, 2005 Individuals found to be breeding Pit Bull Terriers are sentenced to 60 days community service at the local Humane Society. This can include kennel cleaning duty, no gloves provided.
Garfield Heights, Ohio Active City October 24, 2007 60 days in jail and or $1,000 fine if owner does not comply with city law.
Sparta, Tennessee Active City
Melvindale, Michigan[33] Active City April 4, 1990 $100.00 fine or 30 days in jail.
[edit] Legal issues in the USA
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published a study concerning deaths from canine attacks in 2000. [34] According to the study, between 1979 and 1998, one-third of all fatal dog attacks were caused by Pit Bull type dogs. The highest number of attacks (118) were by Pit Bull type dogs, the next highest being Rottweilers at 67.
A followup to the study published in 2000 by Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association suggested that “generic non–breed-specific, dangerous dog laws can be enacted that place primary responsibility for a dog’s behavior on the owner, regardless of the dog’s breed. In particular, targeting chronically irresponsible dog owners may be effective.”[35]
Just found this information online to further insight some folks on this blog. I am looking for information on other breeds as well, I am not singlely out pit bulls, I am merely providing information that anyone online could obtain.
AnonymousInactiveGood! I don’t happen to agree with you! The comment read my lips was to remind you that I already stated my feelings regarding pit bulls. As for being bitchy I would say that is you in a nutshell lady! And oh how eloquent that you read the heder of my posting and yes it is entitled Pit Bulls.
I do not write mean comments, just matter of fact. If you don’t like them, then don’t read them.
And lastly it was none of your business what breed of do bit our daughter. Does it lessen it any to know it wasn’t a pit bull?
I would much rather converse with JenV, at least she shows compassion and maturity.
Thanks for your well wishes I always have agood night and you do the same dearie.
barmargiaMemberHey, Lattemom, when you say crap like “read my lips” then you are angry. The remark about “and as if it was any of your business” was downright bitchy, oh and I have other words I could use, but that is what it was. I picked up on the “pit bull” thing because THAT WAS THE HEADER YOU PUT…and that was how you started your first comment. Have a wonderful night, and you make sure you keep writing mean comments because I don’t agree with you. Ciao
AnonymousInactiveDear Barmargia:
Read my lips: I am not angry. I am not an angry person. And yes I am the same person who wrote about people swearing, and your swearing does not offend me. I do have big issues with people swearing around children, and when asked to stop they continue. It is very offenseive to listen to someone use foul language when they have the skills and the no how to use language without swear words. I do not believe that it does a child any good to hear someone refer to someone as a A##h(le or worse.
And as if it was any of your business no it was not a pit bull that bit our daughter. I have not said anything to rant against pit bulls only, I ranted about people having dogs of any breed. I mentioned pit bulls because of all the coverage the attacks in recent days have gotten. I do have major issues with any person who owns any breed of dog that is irresponsible and allows that dog to wander the street and possibly attack innocent people or animals as what happened just last night.
All you picked up on was that I was the person who ranted about swearing and that I typed in the word pit bulls. How very ignorant of you!
I still stand by our house rule that we do not go near any dog of any kind period without permission of the owner and since the dog bite afew years ago we also ask many questions beforehand so we are assured the dog in question is kind to children so we avoid another trip tot he hospital.
barmargiaMemberDear Lattemom, I read anger from your comments, aren’t you the one that went ballistic because someone swore out on the street? Was the dog that bit your child a pit bull, and by the way I’m sorry about your daughter getting bit, I’m not a total b*tch, whoops I swore, and I was bitten by a dog as a child from my eyebrow to my cheek. I never said that you were not a uncaring irresponsible parent, and if you find where I said that then knock yourself out and call me a liar. I was a dog owner, but my dog has since passed away, and yes, I was responsible. I also have friends that have pit bulls who are also responsible AND have a small child who plays with the dogs. They have taken their dog to training and ALWAYS have the dog on a leash. Maybe you are reading deeper into Vincent’s comments and maybe he is angry, but I didn’t get that.
AnonymousInactiveDear barmargia,
Excuse me! But it is clear that Vincent is angry.
I am not angry. I am simply stating my opinions.
When someone lied to me that their dog was kid friendly and our daughter had to endure 3 dog bites no less, stitches,etc. then I guess that makes it a tizzy in your words. In my words it is called being a caring, and responsibile parent not wanting to be around people who are irresponsibile with their pets ast the expense of our kids.
Are you a dog owner? Are you responsibile?
AnonymousInactiveHi JenV: Yes we did file a claim via Animal Control and also the Seattle Police. This dog owner called our house threatening me with injury because she was so worried her darling dog would be removed for good or put to sleep, she never ever asked how our daughter was doing, not one word. When she received word from Seattle Police and also Animal Control she went and called to harass me.
When the dog owner received the bill from Highline hospital she called to again threathen me with injury. 3 more calls from her and I called Seattle Police for harassment.
I thank you for your caring and undertanding. You are more understanding and much calmer than Vincent. No, the dog owner did not have renters insurance so it came out of her pocket.
Our daughter recovered from the dog bite all 3 of them with stitches and antibotics. She was afraid of dogs for wuite awhile afterward. She loves dogs now but will not pet any animal freely.
AnonymousInactiveVincent: Geez! I sure got you in a tizzy! Calm down!! Maybe you are so argumentive you got biten by a pit bull?
This blog is for everyone Vincent whenver they agree or disagree and I have as much right as you do to post my opinions.
And yes, our dearly beloved Springer/Spaniel was the bestest dog!!
If you don’t like what I said about our house rules and my opinions, then don’t read them.
As for what in your words “got me in a tizzy” hearing the news reports, reading the paper and reading the news blog on this very website about another attack by a pit bull is something to worry about when you are parent no less a human being.
vincentMemberThis is my opinion, respect it and I will respect your opinion. Both very different but that is what makes the world interesting.</blockqoute>
um, I don’t know how you got to this skewed entitled view of the world but its pretty messed up. Look “lattemom” you can hate on pits, or whatever’s got you in a tizzy all you want, but don’t trot out your ill thought out experience bias as some sort of universal truth and then hide behind “everyones gets an opinion.” Thats the laziest most passive aggressive tack I have ever seen at arguing.
If you have an issue with pits usually belonging to people who fail to train, license, or control them, then figure out how to get more money into the hands of animal control ( they have what two trucks? ), ask your city council for tougher licensing laws, mandatory neutering for dogs that aren’t being bred, or stiffer, enforced fines for unleashed dogs.
Going off on some inflammatory rant about how your springer spaniel is the bestest dog in the world and a bunch of incohernet yammering about saving your children and how you run your house, on a internet forum no less, helps no one.
AnonymousInactiveVery true JenV!!! If there wer more responsibile pet owners life would be easier. As for the pit bulls we saw in our neighborhood they weren’t picked up soon enough and did bite someone and they are still on the loose.
I get my dander up when anyone who is a pet owner denyes that their pet is incapable of being dangerous.
When our daughter was just 3 she and I were going to a yard sale in our neighborhood just afew blocks away from where we live and there was a large dog redish in color and our daughter wanted badly to pet the dog so we asked permission fromt the owner who was sitting on her porch and she said ok. I asked if the dog was used to children beforehand and she said oh yes the dog loves kids. So our daugther pet the dog, the dog flipped our daughter over by her ear tearing it and biting her 3 times. The owner just sat there watching, I was screaming and her room mate came out wanting to know what the noise was all about, I said someone get a damp cloth because blood was dripping fast from her ear. Both owner and roommate stood still. I grabbed some linens on the table for sale and held them to her ear. The owner told me she would get some aspirin for her, I said aspirin don;t you know children under age 12 can not have aspirin. She tried to tell me she was a medical emergency person for ski lodges. I said give me your name, address, phone number and insurance info and we are out of here to go to the hospital. She did. We went to Highline where we stayed for 8 hours, they gave our daughter a shot (very painful) and taped up her ear. She remained on the antibotics for 1 week. I called Animal Control and The Police to file a report. The dog owner was mad at me for doing so and claimed her dog never bite anyone before. Animal Control knew otherwise and the dog was quarantined for 10 days. She eventually moved out of our neighborhood. Found out from Animal Control the dog had biten 2 other persons in the last 3 years.
Also, I might add when I was getting her infor she told me oh, by the way I lied the dog hates kids. Thanks for being so irresponsibile lady!
In short I found out that per City of Seattle law a child under the age of 5 was not responsible and we could have sued, but we didn’t.
AnonymousInactiveI think I remember saying that any dog could be dangerous, but there have been alot of attacks lately by pit bulls. Most dogs are not aggressive by nature, only due to mistreatment.
This is my opinion, respect it and I will respect your opinion. Both very different but that is what makes the world interesting.
Every house has different rules and our house rule is to never approach any dog, espcially a pit bull without the permission of the owner and the onwer being present. It is much easier to be cautious even overy so than to spend time in a hospital due to an attack. Our kids are not allowed to be at any house where there is a dog without my husband or I meeting the dog first and then we make the decision is playdates can be only at parks, etc…
And yes, there are some really mean spirited people out there and we do our best to stay away from them too!
We owned a beautiful brittany springer/spaniel for over 15 yrs and she would have have bitten us more than a pig flys, but if someone she didn’t know caused any harm to us we know she would have protected us.
Sadly I think the attacks are a huge reminder to every dog owner to be responsibile and to make sure their dogs have their shots and are secure in their yards so these attacks do not happen. The latest attack is another example of dog owners being irresponsibile and innocent persons and animals pay the price for their ignorance.
February 27, 2008 at 9:22 pm #615911In reply to: MOHAI Rocks!
seattlegolferMemberThe Convention center actually needs the space now vacated by the Seattle Library and will purchase it. When 520 went in, it completely cut off the museum from the South, eliminating the walking Olmstead park plan connecting the museum grounds within walking distance of Volunteer Park. The current site of MOHAI is the only staging area for the construction of the new 520 bridge so they must relocate. Work on the Lake Union seawall will be finished soon and I would expect MOHAI to move the Lake Union site within 3 years. I think MOHAI is one of the best historical museums in the country, very inovative and constantly changing to attract repeat visitors.
JenVMemberAny dog can be dangerous, lattemom. We had an adopted cocker spaniel when I was a teen who was the meanest dog around and would attack for no reason. On the other hand, my neighbor’s pitbull is the sweetest dog I have ever met- the worst that would happen is she would either lick you to death or beat you with her powerful tail as she was wagging it. It is unfair and inaccurate to lump all breeds of dog into one catagory. Yes, Pits can be mean, so can Cockers, so can Great Danes, etc. Like people, every dog is unique to its particular situation- nature and nurture both play a part.
February 27, 2008 at 7:15 pm #616068In reply to: Gas Furnace Replacement Needed
seattlegolferMemberThanks for your reply. If you were satisfied with your service, I would like to know the name of the company. I too would really like to have a heat pump.
February 27, 2008 at 6:57 pm #616082WSPCCEEEMemberHopey, Thanks for your comments. Below are some links that you can access:
LESS IS MORE – GO FOR 4!!
STUDENTS FOR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS {SDP] SPONSOR “MARCH OF THE WILDCATS†(student march on Jan. 17th from WSHS to W.S. Junction…this was the flyer we passed out at the junction)
The Problem:
On Sept. 14, 2007, Carla
Santorno announced her
decision to change WSHS’
schedule from a 4-period
day to a 6-period day.
While some 6-period day
supporters claim that the
students, teachers, parents
and community had ample
warning, we say “HOLD IT—
NOT SO FAST!…why didn’t
the district and steering com-
mittee work WITH all those
concerned instead of:
Accusing teachers of being
lazy for supporting the 4-
period day and threatening
teachers who spoke up.
Making the atmosphere of
steering committee meetings
so hostile that students and
teachers stopped coming to
meetings (which were held
at inconvenient times so
working parents couldn’t
attend).
Accusing teachers of “stacking
the deck in favor of the 4-
period day†(most of the
teachers were in favor of it
because they, as educators,
could see the many bene-
fits.
Teachers being told that if
they addressed concerns over , math, music and languages,
that the 4X4 schedule could
remain & then when the
teachers were confident that
they had complied, switched
the schedule anyway? “Bait &
switch?â€
Santorno announcing that her
decision could not be appealed!
HOLDING PUBLIC FORUMS AFTER MAKING A DECISION BY NO MEANS MEETS THE STANDARD OF A “DEMOCRATIC PROCESSâ€!
We Say That The 4-Period Day Works For Us!
It provides a better format for students to “learn how to learnâ€, a skill we need and will use throughout our entire lives.
Better allows for the use of hands-on learning techniques including lab work, project-based learning, and in-depth research and analysis.
Provides a format that supports differentiated instruction, allowing all students with various learning styles to grasp the material and to succeed.
We are improving our WASL scores, fewer students are dropping out, and we are earning more scholarship dollars than ever before.
WE ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR EDUCATION!
PLEASE SUPPORT ALL THE YEARS OF EFFORT AND ENERGY THAT THE TEACHERS HAVE PUT INTO HELPING US TO BECOME LEARNERS FOR LIFE!!
LINKS:
WSPCCEEE sponsored blog:
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West Seattle High School Four-Period Schedule Program Evaluation October 2006:
http://www.seattleschools.org/schools/wshs/admin/WSEvaluationFinaltoSLC.pdf
Press Release
April 25, 2007
http://www.strongamericanschools.org
Alliance for Education
Brain-based learning:
http://www.funderstanding.com/brain_based_learning.cfm
Google “brain-based learning†for more links.
Position Paper:
“Why Arguments for the 6 Period Day Don’t Hold Waterâ€
http://www.4pdaywshs.com/water2.pdf
NOTE: THE SDP WEBSITE IS CURRENTLY OFF-LINE, DUE TO HACKING ATTEMPTS.
QUESTIONS? Send to
See the front page story covering the “March” in the January 23, 2008 issue of W.S. Herald.
Talk with the staff at Lafayette regarding the grievance that they have filed with the Seattle School District over the issue of posting test scores in a public spot in the school. The teacher that I spoke with felt that this wasn’t in the best interest of the students, and would add many unpaid hours of work to their schedule (which would be in violation of their contract)
West Seattle High School’s website has a link to the student-run newspaper, the Chinook. Read February 2008 issue for articles re: the controversy over the district’s decision to switch the schedule from a 4-period day to a 6-period day.
Perhaps you will find the information that you are seeking.
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February 27, 2008 at 6:41 pm #616025In reply to: Potential dog park locations ?
RainyDay1235MemberSo sad. It seems Camp Long or Lincoln or Schmitz Park would be great options….
I love the IDEA of WestCrest. I do think there is a good community and it’s kept clean. I just don’t like everything that goes with it. The the only way to improve it is to have a constant police presence it seems. It used to be awful – then it cleaned up – and now it’s just awful again.
Why would I park my car there when there have been so many break-ins? I know several people who have interrupted liasons in the woods (ick). I myself have heard noises and had to leave quickly. The guys parked in their cars waiting for their ‘hook-ups’ (drugs, sex, who knows) are too creepy….it’s a shame.
February 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm #616081hopeyParticipantFor those of us who know nothing about this topic, can you point to some relatively unbiased sources (news websites, for example) which support your claims?
I read your post and it just seems like an unfounded rant. It would be great to have more information to be able to make a reasonably informed opinion on whether to join your call to action or not. As a potential Lafayette parent next year, I’m most interested in what’s going on there. Thanks.
February 27, 2008 at 5:14 pm #615873In reply to: Metal plate in street
squareeyesParticipantIt worked; the plates were picked up yesterday. Thanks!
February 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm #586466WSPCCEEEMemberHello to all parents of West Seattle children, students, educators, and interested citizens:
The ongoing controversies in West Seattle schools seem to be pointing to what I believe is an ugly trend…WHATEVER THE ISSUE, whether it is the fiasco at West Seattle High School over the district switching from a 4-period day to a 6-period day, the Denny-Sealth proposed merger, Lafayette teachers being told that they have to post test scores in a public area or who knows what else, ONE THING HAS BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR TO ME. The Seattle School Board, CAO Carla Santorno, and Superintendent Maria Goodloe-Johnson have turned a deaf ear to our emails, protests, marches,empassioned pleas to be heard and not only that, but LISTENED TO. They also seem to be stonewalling the teachers’ grievance at WSHS. They don’t seem to care what facts support our position, they just seem focused on their own political/career goals that serve their interests, and not those of the students and/or community. We have talked until we are blue in the face, and have received lies, pat answers with no substance, and threats against teachers who have spoken out. Several teachers have been put on “administrative leave” at WSHS, and the climate in the school has deteriorated to the point where some students and teachers have given up fighting for what they believe in. The time for talk is over…the time for ACTION is now. I’m personally not going to waste my breath anymore trying to present facts to the district or wait for an honest answer. They are not interested in either, so that only leaves one avenue open as far as I can see and that is LEGAL ACTION. The Seattle School Board apparently isn’t going to reign in the “sword swinging” style of Carla Santorno and Maria Goodloe-Johnson until the court of public opinion and several expensive lawsuits get their attention. So, go for it people! Stand up for the children who need a good education and a safe environment in which to learn. Organize, make noise, walk out of class if necessary to show support for what you believe in, donate to the legal fund of your choice, but DO SOMETHING, or we will all pay the price. This IS a democracy and we deserve to be heard…we deserve a fair vote in the policy of education, and it looks like we’re going to have to FIGHT FOR IT! Let your voices be heard!
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