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[JoB]

beachdrivegirl…

if you listened to NPR over the weekend.. you too would have heard the story about the group of Hillary supporters who became quite public about not supporting Obama after last tuesday’s primary and it’s biased coverage.

In fact, i am surprised you missed it on any news source… female anger has been quite a topic on the news lately… I was vacationing in Friday Harbor without a television and i still heard a great deal about it.

What those women will ultimately do still remains to be seen.. but dismissing their anger or blaming Hillary for it won’t make it go away.

And i am sorry to inform you that Clinton’s key supporters are not just white women without college degrees…. and i can tell you from personal experience that we are getting more than a little p….d off about being portrayed that way.

Pat Schroeder had quite a bit to say about being lumped with undereducated white women last week.

Perhaps you should read her remarks… they certainly exceeded anything i could have said.

[JoB]

Kayleigh…

you want to do the history thing?

it really is his story…

historically.. women (even women of privilege ) have been pretty much enslaved until the late 60s.

They weren’t typically bought and sold.. unless you consider marriage a sales agreement… since women effectively were their father’s (or oldest male relative’s ) property until they married and became their husband’s.

Black men had the right to own property and the right to vote long before women.

Until the 60s, women were highly unlikely to retain custody of their children if they divorced if their husband challenged custody… and didn’t win custody battles with male relatives (generally occurring when there was property to inherit) when they were widowed.

They weren’t lynched.. they were simply disgraced.. or threatened with disgrace… which left women few viable economic choices…

sexism is still very much a part of our culture and if it is acceptable to create violent pictures of women it is not so far a leap to actually do violence…

in fact, violence is still done to women every day far more often in their own homes than on the streets…

in some parts of our own culture it is considered acceptable to violently assault women for the shame they have brought to their family.. and i am not talking about muslim families.

If you want a real eye opener.. try asking your closest girlfriends how many of them were sexually assaulted before their teens by members of their own family or close family friends.

I am glad to say that those of you who are younger won’t get quite the responses i now get in my circle of female friends… but it is still a very real eye opener.

these are stories that aren’t told. We are fed the rosy picture of female domesticity without the lack of rights that came with it….

We are fed the exceptions to the rule.. and told very little about the real consequences to those who broke the rules to become the exceptions.

Women couldn’t report abuse without losing their reputations.. which until fairly recently have been crucial to their economic survival…

BTW.. just for a little perspective.. things started to change for women just about the time Martin Luther King was killed.

I still had to have written permission to work from the husband i was divorcing to get a job in 1971.

Martin Luther King was assassinated.

So were John F Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy… all in about the same time period.

All for advocating roughly the same ideas…

Death threats by extremist conservatives have been part of Hillary’s history for over 15 years…. some of those threats or advocacy for violence made publicly by radio hosts and bloggers…

But i can see why that could be written off as just.. comparing Hillary to Glen Close in “Fatal Attraction”

I am not saying Obama didn’t deserve the secret service protection he got.

I am simply saying that Hillary would have been given that protection as well for the very real threats she received… had she not already had the benefit of that protection…

But i think Kayleigh.. you did just honestly answer my question as to why Obama gets a pass…

It has something to do with the 3,000 African Americans lynched in this country….

[Sue]

Jiggers, you could become West Seattle’s very own Squirrelman. :)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/358161_needle08.html

[charlabob]

Most of the “key” WV demographic touted by Clinton supporters has not supported a Democratic presidential candidate since the “Reagan Revolution.” These are the same “democrats” who voted for Bush twice.

I happen to believe that when these people can hear the Obama message, without filters, they will vote for him and, assuming we ever get there, we will win in surprising places. (Republican strategists, by the way, believe the same thing — that’s why they continue to tout Clinton’s candidacy.)

I happen to think it was a mistake not to campaign in West Virginia — but it’s an understandable one.

[Anonymous]

I’m not angry with Hillary at all. I actually have a great deal of respect for her public service and accomplishments. For years I’ve wanted her to run for president and win. She ran a bad campaign. Period. Maybe she got bad advise, but she chose to use it.

What I am annoyed with is the segment of her supporters that have projected all of their personal mis-treatments and perceptions on to her. They feel like a vote against her is a vote against all that they have worked for. There is a sense of personal betrayal that supersedes all rational thought.

There is this demand of Obama supporters to talk about the issues and prove he is worthy. Fine. But it’s kind of difficult when all you here is *you’re being mean, you’re being mean*. How do you communicate with that mind set?

[KatHP]

Although I do not know what Cottage School is like today, we tried their preschool program back in March of 2006. After the fact I’d found out that only months prior to our enrollment there was a huge turnover in staff there, including the director, who left after a disagreement with Cottage School Management re: focus of the program. The turnover there during the short period of time our son attended (less than three weeks!) was frightening: there were no fewer than FOUR staff changes during this time.

Our son would bawl most every morning when we’d drop him off, and he was used to being taken to a caregiver, so it wasn’t as if separation anxiety was the issue. The experience was so horrible that I pulled him out a little after two weeks’ time.

While on Kindergarten tours in Feb 2007 I toured Gatewood and was able to talk to one of the long-time parents there about what the deal has been with Cottage School. She herself had pulled her children out, unhappy with them. I’m sorry I can’t remember the details of what she’d told me. Her children were older than mine at the time.

I’m not sure if your child is older or is preschool-aged like mine was, but after the Cottage School fiasco I ended up trying the Sanislo location of the Community Day School Association (CDSA). My son thrived at CDSA – he loved it. It’s a bit physically cramped but the teachers were wonderful, loving, and very engaged with the children. As an aside, the “student” population there was much more diverse than what I found at Cottage School, something I was very happy about.

Maybe Cottage School has pulled it together over time and they’re currently a great place to have your child. However, if history is any barometer, it would be worthwhile to ask Cottage School if they could put you in touch with some parents of the program who could give you the inside scoop.

[Bonnie]

I like to make smoothies a home too. I need a new blender though.

I like to put frozen fruit, banana, vanilla yogurt and tofu in for some protein. You can’t even taste the tofu or tell it’s there.

[beachdrivegirl]

“When John McCain.. who does not even mention women in his campaign and certainly is not in any way a champion of women’s rights. .. looks better to embittered women than Senator Obama”-once again opinion not fact. Although for weeks now most polls were showing mixed results as to whether or not women will vote for McCain or Obama. Suprisinly just this week it has been said that Obama is leading the polls compared to McCain with the women vote, competiting evenly with the Catholic vote.Although he is doing poorly with Clintons *key* supporters whites without college degrees.

[Kayleigh]

Ah, I just needed a nap. I could get used to this vacation thing.

Next week I am out of town, which will be great. But it’s nice to take a nap in the middle of the day :-)

I did read an interesting piece–I can’t remember where–about the violent imagery used in relation to Hillary. There are still those misogynists out there, for sure.

But they lynched something like 3,000 African Americans in this country, and MLK was indeed assassinated. Not really the same thing as comparing Hillary to Glen Close in “Fatal Attraction”.

[beachdrivegirl]

On the other hand though Obama has never said McCain has more experience than his opponent and is more electable. Which Hillary did say. He also did not respond to the degrading questions that were being asked during the debate. He reminded everyone that we were not there to talk s**t about his opponent, but talk about the issues. Where as Hillary decided it was a great opportunity to move from the issues and state false facts about Obama.

[Sue]

I’ve tried to go to Chelan twice now and it always seems to be closed. When exactly is that place open?

[Sue]

Is Celtic Swell the one down the block from Alki Cafe? We go often to Alki Cafe, and when passing what I *think* is the Celtic Swell, I’ve seen a sign recently that they have brunch on the weekends.

[JoB]

hillary doesn’t paint herself as a victim.

I don’t paint her as a victim.

but.. nice ploy to dismiss her once again…

i think the unwillingness to admit that the media has influenced this primary

and the unwillingness to ask tough questions about our own sexism as well as our racism

says far more about what we can expect from an Obama candidacy than anyone is willing to examine…

and i don’t think that bodes well for his chances this fall.

because the republicans will certainly be exploiting all of those issues we are not wiling to acknowledge.

When John McCain.. who does not even mention women in his campaign and certainly is not in any way a champion of women’s rights. .. looks better to embittered women than Senator Obama…

Senator Obama has failed abysmally in his message.

[JoB]

JT..

and you have a problem with her answer because….

she said he was a christian.. she knows he attends a christian church.. and i am quite sure she knew which Christian church… but “as far as she knows” is probably quite accurate assessment of her knowledge of his personal beliefs…

the only way she could know more about his personal beliefs is if he also attended the Christian study/prayer group in the Senate that she attends so that she had the opportunity to learn more about his personal beliefs.

did he attend that prayer group? i don’t know the answer to that, do you?

I suspect the answer is no.. because it is likely he would have brought it up over and over by now if he had.

We don’t know whether Obama ever flirted with the Muslim religion. We know his fathers were both muslim. We know that many black young men embrace the muslim religion while they are tying to find their heritage… as he was. We also know that he participated in the muslim led million man march…

and then quickly denounced all muslim associations after his participation.

He tells us he is not and has never been a muslim.

We know that he attended a Christian church for 20 years..

but he also tells us he either wasn’t paying attention or chose to discount significant parts of his pastor’s consistent message…

What we know from that is that he attended church and that he participated in the political activities in his church… But, do we know that Obama is a a Christian? No.. without other evidence, what we know is what he says he is.

Hillary wasn’t asked if he attended church. She was asked if he is a Christian.. and that is something she takes seriously.

Could she have chosen to answer differently? Probably.. and she probably did a 100 times for that one time that she answered honestly…

did she do so for political reasons? Who knows. You don’t. I don’t either. Reason tells me she didn’t because she is smart enough to know just how that would play out… and because it was not her consistent answer to what had to be a consistent question. I think she was just tired and got caught off guard.

but that is what i think.. not what i know.

It is true that being tarred with an extremist muslim brush because of his race is part of Obama’s political baggage…. but it is his political baggage.. not hers.

Nothing she said at any point in time could have had any substantial influence on how that will play out if he is the nominee.

so why the anger at Hillary?

As for Obama’s standing up for her…

both candidates have made the occasional flippant remark and still repeatedly defended the other…

you can’t say that is true for Hillary because that is not the kind of news coverage she gets… you have to actually read the full text of her interviews to get any other kind of coverage.

But if Obama is such a stand up guy…. i must have missed the comment he made about the inappropriateness of Jay Leno’s joke accompanied by a photoshopped picture that Hillary could better influence the superdelegates with augmented breasts and cleavage…

if he watched any news coverage of the Oregon primaries.. he did see it. It played over and over for hours.

Or do you think it was an appropriate political joke to present about a female candidate in her 60s and he should have had no comment?

Making a comment about the inappropriateness of that one photo would have been politically expedient for him… it would have gone a long way to diffuse the middle aged female anger that was reported after the continued presentation of that joke…

and i dont’ think he did it.

Clearly there is a difference when it comes to expectations that senator Obama will stand up for others than when the same standard is applied to Senator Clinton.

It might be good to ask why.

[beachdrivegirl]

It isnt about blaming anyone or anybody on why CLinton will not win this primary season. It was a primary season and as far as I know everyone has their own thoughts and their own minds to make their own decisions. You can not blame it on the media, or the Democratic National Committee for Michigan and Florida, sexism, or my favorit the bullying that is being done (B. Clintons quote). By putting blame in places it does not belong is playing the victim card. And we dont elect victims into office we elect leaders. The only person Hillary has to blame for how she is not going to be the Democratic Presidential nominee is herself.

[Bernicki]

I bought an evening dress online that was slightly too big, and Mrs. Kim altered it to look like it was made for me. (Sorry to keep chiming in, but Mrs. Kim is so fab.)

[beachdrivegirl]

Jt,

Besides defending her. He has spoken highly of her.

[elgrego]

I need some patches sewn onto some uniforms… anyone local to do it?

[Jiggers]

I’m thinking about camping at Camp Long in a tent somewhere were they won’t see me. plan B….lol

[Anonymous]

I think people who link Muslims to terrorism is a disadvantage for him. Not the religion itself. And Hillary did not answer, I don’ think so. She said no he’s not. Paused, and then added “as far as I know”. She is well acquainted with the man and knows he’s a Christian belonging to a Christian church.

Again, what rock would you have to be living under to not be aware of the desire for him to be painted as an Muslim extremist? She has no obligation to defend him, but she doesn’t have to help the Republican machine.

By the way, I have watched and listened to Obama being asked about different faux paus of Hillary’s. He has made a flippant remark here and there, but he has also repeatedly defended her. I can’t say the reverse is true for Hillary.

[charlabob]

Long rebuttal edited, because there is really no point — and because others are presenting alternatives quite well.

Do we believe that this fight will continue through to the convention?

Does anyone believe that the decisions of the Rules Committee on Saturday with regard to seating Michigan and Florida’s delegations will go unchallenged?

I don’t think it’s a done deal what they’ll decide, by the way. I did a bit of checking and 3 of the “no known endorsers” are old DLC people — likely to tilt toward Clinton, who has an 11-8 edge with the known endorsers.

BTW, I do know where the other side is coming from — I was one of the rare people who, in 1992, begged Jerry Brown not to drop out before the convention. There’s so much similarity between how the hard-core Clinton people feel now and how some of us felt in 1992. When Governor Clinton made a special trip back to Arkansas to preside over the execution of a mentally retarded man, I somehow knew his definition of “putting people first” wasn’t the same as mine. :-) )

Co-Chairs – no endorsement

Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )

James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )

Members – Clinton supporters (11)

Hartina Flournay (DC)

Donald Fowler (SC)

Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)

Alice Huffman (CA)

Ben Johnson (DC)

Elaine Kamarck (MA)

Eric Kleinfeld (DC)

Mona Pasquil (CA)

Mame Reiley (VA)

Garry Shay (CA)

Elizabeth Smith (DC)

Members – Obama supporters (8)

Martha Fuller Clark (NH)

Carol Khare Fowler (SC)

Janice Griffin (MD)

Thomas Hynes (IL)

Allan Katz (FL)

Sharon Stroschein (SD)

Sarah Swisher (IA)

Everett Ward (NC)

Members – no known endorsement (9)

Donna Brazille (DC)

Mark Brewer (MI)

Ralph Dawson (NY)

Yvonne Gates ( NV)

Alice Germond (DC) – DNC Secretary

Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)

David McDonald (WA)

Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)

Michael Steed (MD)

[JoB]

kayleigh..

i am sorry.. i don’t meant to make you lose your coherence… and i bet you didn’t lose it as much as you thought:) you are generally very coherent.

i am just presenting the alternative view…

and there is a viable alternative view that is not being presented in the media …

[JoB]

rs261..

btw.. i got sidetracked…. back to the secret service protection issue which you so handily dismissed…

i guess i need to repeat that Hillary was not offered protection because she already had it…

no.. female candidates are not generally the target of assassination..

but then black candidates haven’t been either.

this woman has had more than her fair share of hate generating publicity in the press… and is very much a target…

If you think the kuklux clan would be a viable threat to Obama,

you have to acknowledge that radical conservatives.. those who think nothing of bombing abortion clinics and killing the women in them as well as doctors.. might be an equal threat to that woman.. as reviled as she has been in the Republican press.

and thanks.. it’s good to be back…

[JenV]

The Chandalier has been thru all the big earthquakes- it’s an old building. That’s the charm. :) Jiggers- have you thought about Burien? Rent is still cheap there and it is the new West Seattle…unfortunately there is nothing in WS under $800 any more.

[JoB]

JT…

there is this tendency to confuse what comes out of the republican media with Hillary or her supporters…

in spite of ample evidence of their continued animosity towards her.

i said Hillary was held to a higher standard by democrats… and specifically by democrats/Obama supporters on this thread… not the media… when i referred to comments about what Hillary should have said or done differently.

And i was talking about the standards for behavior that were expected of Hillary by Obama supporters on this thread… she has been condemned as much for what she did not do but “should” have as for what she has actually done ….

but those same standards.. going above and beyond the call of duty to stand up for what is right are not expected of Obama..

a really good example of that is when Hillary was asked if Obama was muslim and she replied that she didn’t think so.. he said he wasn’t.

the comment was that she should have emphatically defended his Christianity and then said that it wouldn’t matter if he was.

However, it is enough for Obama to state that he is not muslim… even though his two fathers were and he has far more reason to actually defend those of the muslim faith than she does.

and you state as part of your defense of his not being held to a higher standard that part of America still thinks he is muslim… implying that you think that is a huge disadvantage for him.

so if HIllary should have stepped up to diffuse that question.. to defend appropriateness of being muslim in America.. why would the same gesture not be expected from the candidate who is actually campaigning on what is presented as a tolerance platform and who clearly had more to gain from the discussion?

The answer to that is simple.. it would have been political suicide.. in the current political climate… for either candidate.. so why expect it from Hillary and not from Obama?

That’s a question that could lead to substantive discussion… that could have little or nothing to do with either candidate.

As for what has been happening in the media.. is it time to revisit the stats on negative mentions for the two candidates?

i would be willing to bet far more than my Hot for Hillary mug that those have not changed substantially in spite of the press attention of

Reverend Wright …

You can look them up if you like, but i am willing to bet you won’t be pleased by the results.

yes, the republican press is framing the conversation… they lead with what they choose as news which the rest of the press dutifully picks up and then blogs like the Huffington press amplify when that press is at all negative towards Hillary …

and then those same exaggerations and implications are repeated here as truth .. all courtesy of FOX news…

If that’s not evidence of framing a discussion.. then i am not sure what could be considered evidence.

As for whether you are smart enough to discern what is factual and what is propaganda… i assume that you are or i wouldn’t bother posting…

but sorting it all out is work. you have to actually ask questions that aren’t part of the current national conversation… and there aren’t any popular blogs or news sources asking those questions…

so you get me.

and isn’t it good someone is actually asking whether the emperor is wearing clothes?