UPDATE: Sign leads to scuffle in The Junction; 1 arrested for investigation of hate crime

MONDAY NIGHT: The weapon-waving incident reported here wasn’t the only police response in The Junction early this afternoon. Tonight SPD released this initial summary of what officers were told started as a scuffle over a sign:

At 1337 hours, a 71-year-old victim, who is of Jewish descent, was walking along the street when he saw a sign in support of Gaza on a light pole. The victim ripped the sign off the light pole. The suspect, a male in his 30’s, was walking dogs nearby and yelled at the victim and the victim yelled back at the suspect. The suspect then approached the victim and headbutted him in the face, causing significant facial injuries and knocking him to the ground. The suspect was calling the victim a “f—ing Zionist pig” during the attack. After the suspect headbutted the victim, he began to walk away. The victim got up and yelled at the suspect, asking him what his problem was. The suspect then turned toward the victim and walked at him aggressively. The victim, fearing he was going to be assaulted again, pepper sprayed the suspect. Regardless of being pepper sprayed, the suspect was able to knock the victim to the ground, get on top of him and repeatedly punch him in his face. The suspect only stopped when on-lookers intervened. The victim believed the assault was because of his religion.

We didn’t hear any of this in realtime so we just checked the audio archives. Over the publicly monitorable air, it was dispatched simply as a fight between two men near 42nd/Alaska. If you have information, the SPD incident # is 25-299777.

TUESDAY MORNING: We requested and obtained the report narrative from SPD. It reveals that a 38-year-old suspect was arrested:

On 10/13/2025, at 1332 hours I officer xxxx was dispatched to 4203 Alaska AVE SW, for an assault call.

When I arrived, I contacted ARRESTEE who stated he was assaulted by V/VICTIM. ARRESTEE stated V/VICTIM was tearing down GAZA posters on the north end corner of California Ave SW and SW Alaska ST near the closed Starbucks.

Arrestee stated while walking his dogs, he approached V/VICTIM tearing down a Gaza poster, resulting in ARRESTEE and V/VICTIM getting into a verbal disagreement arguing with each other. ARRESTEE STATED HE and V/VICTIM walked into each other during the argument causing them both to headbutt each other, leaving ARRESTEE with a laceration above his forehead. ARRESTEE declined any medical attention, but I still dispatched fire to make an assessment. SFD E #32 responded and evaluated him on-scene.

ARRESTEE stated after the headbutt, he turned the corner and walked east on SW ALASKA ST. ARRESTEE stated as he walked down SW ALASKA ST, V/VICTIM followed him so he turned around to confront him, that’s when V/VICTIM pepper sprayed him in the face. ARRESTEE stated due to being peppered sprayed, he was unable to keep grip of the dog leashes. ARRESTEE stated he then defended himself due to being pepper sprayed and was blindly swinging his fists, which resulted in a tussle between the two. ARRESTEE stated estimated number of times he struck V/VICTIM is around two strikes.

I contacted V/VICTIM, a 71-year-old Jewish male whose mouth was covered in blood, and his lips were swollen. V/VICTIM declined multiple requests for medical attention.

V/VICTIM stated as he tore down the GAZA poster on a public light pole, he did not agree with on the corner of California Ave SW and SW Alaska ST, he was confronted by ARRESTEE who called him a ‘ZIONIST PIG’. V/VICTIM stated the two began to have an argument resulting in a back and forth between words. V/VICTIM stated ARRESTEE then walked up towards him and headbutted him in the face, causing his mouth to bleed and lips to swell knocking V/VICTIM to the ground. V/VICTIM stated after the headbutt, he walked towards A/VICTIM following him east on SW ALASKA ST’S sidewalk asking ‘why did you hit me’

V/VICTIM stated as he was attempting to get ARRESTEE’S attention, ARRESTEE turned around and walked back aggressively towards him, closing the distance. VICTIM/VICTIM stated because he was already assaulted from the initial headbutt, he feared he would be assaulted again so he pulled out his pepper spray and sprayed ARRESTEE in the face to defend himself.

V/VICTIM stated after he used his pepper spray on ARRESTEE, ARRESTEE immediately knocked him down and began punching him in the head around six times.

V/VICTIM stated he believed ARRESTEE disengaged due to the pepper spray taking effect and bystanders yelling at them.

V/VICTIM stated he believed he was attacked because he is Jewish and during the assault ARRESTEE called him a ‘Zionist PIG’.

WITNESS/1 remained on scene and was contacted. WITNESS/1 stated he only witnessed the moment V/VICTIM was on the sidewalk and ARRESTEE was standing over him, punching him in the face. WITNESS/1 stated he attempted to break up the confrontation by screaming ‘stop’ multiple times.

WITNESS/1 stated he called 911 while grabbing the dog leash due to ARRESTEE losing control of the dogs.

WITNESS/1 stated he then walked ARRESTEE towards the entrance of XXXX XXXX located at XXXX SW Alaska ST as ARRESTEE asked for water to wash his face.

WITNESS/1 believes the only reason why ARRESTEE probably stopped assaulting V/VICTIM was due to the pepper spray taking effect.

I searched the area for any possible footage but was unable to locate any. I also asked two stores for any possible witness or footage, and both said the cameras are not facing the incident’s location

After I concluded my investigation, I determined ARRESTEE assaulted V/VICTIM due his perception of V/VICTIM being Jewish. V/VICTIM believed he was targeted because he is Jewish.

I placed ARRESTEE under arrest and read his Miranda rights. Officer XXXX #8599 searched him incident to arrest and transported ARRESTEE to KCJ where he was booked for investigation of Hate Crime.

(Both parties declined medical attention)

WITNESS/1and V/VICTIM provided an audio statement that was uploaded to Axon evidence. Photos of the injuries were also uploaded to Axon evidence.

The King County Jail roster shows the suspect is still there, held for investigation of hate crime.

7:22 PM TUESDAY: He has since been released; a King County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office spokesperson says that “based on available information from police so far, there is insufficient evidence to show that the defendant was targeting the victim’s religion.”

135 Replies to "UPDATE: Sign leads to scuffle in The Junction; 1 arrested for investigation of hate crime"

  • Teeb October 13, 2025 (9:14 pm)

    The sign didn’t lead to the scuffle. Someone tearing down the sign led to the scuffle. 

    • AlkiNeighbor October 13, 2025 (10:19 pm)

      Pedantic much? Ripping a sign down shouldn’t lead to an assault and hate crime by a 30 year old against a 71 year old.Hope the victim recovers fine and the 30 year old gets jail time for the hate crime assault, unlikely to happen in Seattle though and instead plead down to a “simple” assault.

      • Derek October 13, 2025 (10:31 pm)

        With all due respect, don’t we only have one side of the story? How can you claim a hate crime happened here when it seemed like both sides were doing some assaulting. The other guy busted out pepper spray and could have lied to the cops about when he was attacked. We didn’t get the second side… we just got police stenography. That isn’t a full story.

      • Foop October 14, 2025 (7:32 am)

        I’ma Jew: calling this a hate crime is a dangerous mischaracterization. The victim was assaulted because of their actions (they did not deserve to be assaulted) not because of their religion. Nothing in here even begins to imply that the aggressor knew the victim was Jewish. Many people who support this genocide happen to not be Jewish. Many people expressing support for gazan citizens also happen to be Jewish.

      • flimflam October 14, 2025 (7:53 am)

        Hate crime?

    • Marge October 13, 2025 (11:24 pm)

      This is the equivalent of saying “well what was she wearing?”

      • Jake October 14, 2025 (8:13 am)

        Marge, I believe they were trying to get the journalistic facts about what is reported right. Don’t add context that isn’t there.

    • Ferns October 14, 2025 (9:55 am)

      Illegally posting a sign led to the incident. Inability to control ones violence and anger, probably due to emotional stunted parenting led to the incident.

      • erik October 14, 2025 (12:55 pm)

        Its not illegal to post signs on poles in Seattle. Its written into our state law that its legal…

        • Falcon October 14, 2025 (5:02 pm)

          I also didn’t see where anyone mentioned religion, and am confused how it’s a hate crime. Sounds like someone put up a sign, and got mad at someone ripping it down. The fight shouldn’t have happened and the suspect needs to chill it out.. but I also didn’t read anything that makes me think he targets the guy ripping down the sign after finding out the victim was Jewish.

          • Mark Bower October 16, 2025 (6:32 pm)

            Calling the person Zionist. Which all observant Jewish people are by nature thus Seders and goodbyes being followed by “next year in Jerusalem” for about 2,000 years. The person committed violence by beating a 71 yo dude while in essence calling him a “Jewish pig”.  As Zionist is used as slur and excuse to commit violence in an escalating fashion from the governor of PA Josh Shapiro’s home being burned down on th first night of Passover earlier this year and the Dean of Uw’s font porch being targeted via arson.  

    • Kristina October 14, 2025 (12:08 pm)

      Someone having violent tendencies lead to the assault (not scuffle).Not the sign.Not the removal of the sign.Respectful people know how to disagree without violence. This was not respectful, it was violent.

      • Teeb October 14, 2025 (3:45 pm)

        Was tearing down the sign not disrespectful?

        • Bobloblaw October 15, 2025 (12:13 am)

          Disrespectful to who? The sign? 

          • buster October 15, 2025 (5:21 am)

            Disrespectful to the person who posted the sign and all those who share those values. I see many signs and hats every day that I don’t agree with. I don’t approve of the message of hate they imply. But I also have the self-control to not tear every one of them down. 

    • Brandon October 14, 2025 (2:54 pm)

      So tearing down the sign gives cart blanche to beat up a 71 year old….only in West Seattle are sign removals so triggering 

  • K October 13, 2025 (9:16 pm)

    It’s a real pity so many believe the war in Gaza is about religion.  Plenty of Jews support Palenstine and stand against the war.  The man with the dog WAY overreacted and was definitely in the wrong, but the man who feels personally victimized by a sign that has nothing to do with his faith, so much so that he is destroying propery, is a bit extra too.  Hopefully the attacker is held accountable, and hopefully this is an opportunity for reflection for the victim.

  • Bill#1 October 13, 2025 (9:53 pm)

    Doesn’t sound very “simply” to me!

    • WSB October 13, 2025 (10:05 pm)

      An increasing amount of police communication takes place off-air. I was trying to explain why we didn’t know about this sooner, and went back into the audio archives to see if I missed something. In their defense, the dispatcher might not have known either – 911 callers might only have reported “a fight” – and the details may only have emerged after officers arrived and started talking to people. – TR

  • NorthAdmiralNeighbor October 13, 2025 (10:09 pm)

    Very sad to see that a difference in political beliefs and religion would motivate someone to assault an elderly man. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and receives a stiff penalty.

    • Derek October 13, 2025 (10:18 pm)

      Fail to see how Zionism is related to religion.  Many Jews are anti Zionist. We shouldn’t conflate.

      • NorthAdmiralNeighbor October 13, 2025 (10:48 pm)

        At least 2/3 of Jewish people are Zionist, it’s a movement that is directly related to the religion and is rooted in a longstanding desire for people of the Jewish religion to have a safe place to live.

        • Pete October 14, 2025 (7:13 am)

          To take this one step further, their ancestral homeland. Jews were in Palestine before the creation of Israel, by the way.       This is a wee piece of information that is often forgotten.          

        • walkerws October 14, 2025 (10:15 am)

          As a Jew and an anti-Zionist, conflating my religion with a colonialist ideology and a lawless, terrorist army is antisemitic, hateful, and hurtful to me.

          • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (6:53 pm)

            Cool. I’m hoping you are also very concerned with what literally hurt a fellow Jew in our community here. 

          • WSEnvironmentalist October 14, 2025 (8:55 pm)

            Agree!!! Fellow WS Jew sharing the same sentiment.

          • M S K October 14, 2025 (9:57 pm)

            You might be offended but most Jews are proudly pro israel. You don’t get to speak for the majority of Jewish people just because you’re a token and want to win favor with Antisemites. The fact that you simply call it a religion when being Jewish is a tribal identity says a lot. 

        • Justin October 14, 2025 (3:29 pm)

          where are you getting that stat? No way.

        • Scarlettgoo October 14, 2025 (6:15 pm)

          NorthAdmiralNeighbor- your neighbors are much smarter and not going to buy into that false stats you provided in order to fuel hate and division. It’s disgusting that you had enough hate energy to put that out in hopes people would buy it up. Go pray and be kind. You’ll live longer 

        • WSEnviornmentalist October 14, 2025 (8:53 pm)

          Dear NAN:  The statement that 2/3s of Jewish people are Zionist is incorrect.  Most of worldwide Judaism supports Israel and its right to exist but that does not make them Zionists.  Your statement is similar to the world conflating Judaism as being the same as being Israeli.  The two are mutually exclusive.  The fact is that 40% of worldwide Judaism is disgusted by the behavior of the Israelis and has stopped providing financial support to Israel through their synagogues and nonprofits.  Netanyahu was convicted of Crimes Against Humanity at the ICJ in May 2025 and warrant was issued for his arrest.  Remember Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia who attempted genocide against the Bosnians?  He was tried by the ICJ in The Hague, arrested and spent the rest of his life in The Hague prison.  That was the 1990s and the US still has peace keeping troops in Serbia under the banner of the UN.  Netanyahu is a pariah to at least half of the world’s Jews and can only travel between Israel and the US because of Trump,  If Netanyahu went to France, the UK, Germany, counties within South America, Africa or Asia he would be arrested, sent to The Hague, and imprisoned.  I’m sorry that the victim in the WSB report felt he was targeted for being Jewish but my question is how did the attacker know the 71 year old was a Jew?  Was he wearing a yarmulke (skull cap which is also worn by Muslims)?  Did the victim shout at the attacker that he was Jewish?  The Hate Crime aspect is suspicious to me.  Frankly, I live in West Seattle and I am Jewish.  I don’t shout out to people that I am Jewish when someone is obnoxious or threatening to me I don’t call SPD to say I am the victim of a Hate Crime.  Doing so undermines the seriousness of an actual victim of a Hate Crime against ANYONE based upon religion, ethnicity, gender or skin color.  Violence is violence.  A “Hate Crime’ is a crime with a different origin.

          • Westseattle75 October 14, 2025 (9:03 pm)

            Maybe read the law for Washington on what a hate crime entails. Perception is a key word so it doesn’t have to be based on what the victim actual represents

          • M S K October 14, 2025 (10:00 pm)

            Supporting Israel’s right to exist and defend itself is Zionism. Therefore most Jewish people worldwide count as Zionists. Zionism doesn’t mean “when Jewish people do things I dislike.” 

          • Pete October 15, 2025 (8:04 am)

            I see you conflating many things an misconstruing your own fair share of words.To support Israel is to a Zionist, in point of fact. It’s literally what it means.To be a Zionist is not synonymous with approving of the Israeli government (primarily the Likud party). For instance, I’m a Jew, I’m a Zionist, as is much of my family, and, while I support Israel and the Israeli people (and sometimes regret not making Aaliyah permanently) I don’t support the actions of the current government.As for what comments were exchanged between the attacker and the victim, well, we don’t know what the content is. Perhaps the victim did reveal he was a Jew. I don’t know and , more importantly, neither do you. What we do know is that the victim was allegedly assaulted, sprayed the attacker with pepper spray when the attacker approached, again, and then the victim had the tar beat out of him. There are questions that could be raised as to whether or not the victim also assaulted the attacker due to the proactive attack rather than retreat.Further, whether or not the victim is a Zionist is immaterial. Even if the headbutt was unintentional (which other outlets have reported, and if the victim charged after the attacker to spray him, the attacker then pinned the victim down and pummeled him. So, don’t speak for Jews. You don’t have that right. 

          • WSEnvironmentalist October 15, 2025 (9:35 pm)

            To Pete:  I did make an Aaliyah and lived within a kibbutz founded and populated by Concentration Camp Survivors.  I left, not because I did not love my environment but because I was homesick for my family.  The members of my kibbutz never referred to themselves as Zionist.  They called themselves “Survivors” and any kibbutznik born before 1943 had a tattoo on their arm – pretty sobering.   And thy believed that only individuals who made a commitment to Israel as country of ecumenical citizens should relocate.  My kibbutz is a moshav that is made up of Israeli Jews and Israelis Arabs who own and work the land and farm together.  They were appalled first by the ultra Zionist Jews who migrated to Israel in the 1970s and early 1980s which they believed was changing the cultural of the country, especially the West Bank, and then by the attempt to control the West Bank because “G-d gave us this land 4,000 years ago so therefore it is ours.”  Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?  Zionism is should not be conflated with Judaism.  They are mutually exclusive ideologies and one need not be Jewish to be a Zionist.  However, one does need to be a natural born or a convert to be a Jew.  It’s both a religion and a culture.   

      • Zip October 13, 2025 (10:57 pm)

        As a Jew, yes. No one should be assaulting 70 year olds (or anyone else). Also, it seems clear from this narrative that the assault was over politics. How would the assailant have even known the victim’s religion? I realize this sounds pedantic, but conflating Zionism and Judaism is both incorrect and antisemitic.

        • Pete October 14, 2025 (7:15 am)

          It’s not antisemitic. I say this as a semite.

          • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (6:54 pm)

            What does that even mean?

          • WSEnviornmentalist October 14, 2025 (8:58 pm)

            Jews do not refer to themselves as Semites.  

        • Ferns October 14, 2025 (9:58 am)

          As a Jew, you should be familiar with the fact that for many people particularly undereducated, hateful ones, Israel and Judaism are inextricably linked despite the fact that there are Israelis, who are not Jewish. And non-Israelis who are Jewish. 

          • walkerws October 14, 2025 (11:23 am)

            Israel and Judaism are not “inextricably linked”. For many people they are, but for many other Jews the *state* of Israel stands in direct opposition to the Jewish values of tikkun olam, as well as the core value of the Torah – that one should not do to others that which is hateful to oneself.

          • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (6:52 pm)

            Fair. That doesn’t change anything about this event, though. 

        • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (6:59 pm)

          I mean, that’s one take. What if we all band together against beating up other people who are not a danger to us and yelling, “Zionist Pig” at them and against making excuses for people who do?

        • M S K October 14, 2025 (10:01 pm)

          Its Antisemitic to assume that Zionism, a belief held by most Jews that Israel has a right to exist, is automatically bad. Especially because antizionism in practice almost always looks like antisemitism. 

      • Gabe October 14, 2025 (10:12 am)

        There was a great article written Paul Burstein who is a professor emeritus of sociology and Jewish Studies at the University of Washington called “Don’t let Zionist become the new Chinaman” 

      • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (6:50 pm)

        Just stop, Derek. Do you opine on other minority groups’ identification publicly? No one needs you to do it here. If you want to really understand things, ask questions from the people who actually know the answers. 

    • Neighbor October 13, 2025 (11:56 pm)

      Genocide isn’t a religion.

    • Alkimom October 14, 2025 (6:50 am)

      As a Jew and not a Zionist I agree. How does this have anything to do with religion? I agree that no one should be harmed for tearing down a sign. That’s awful. But did the person who confronted the old man know he was Jewish? Can you imagine if the tables were turned and it was the young man tearing a sign in support of Jews? We’d call that antisemitism but why aren’t we calling it Islamophobia here or antisemitism towards the Palestinian people. Regardless no one should’ve been hurt over this but let’s not forget that it wasn’t simply a tearing down of a sign here. The old man was not innocent either. Nothing peaceful about tearing down a sign in support of freeing a population of people from genocide. Disgusting actions on both their parts. 

      • flimflam October 14, 2025 (7:56 am)

        This literally wouldn’t have happened if the older man kept his hands to himself and didn’t tear down the sign.

      • G October 14, 2025 (9:03 am)

        Great read of this situation. 100% agree. 

        • Kathy October 14, 2025 (10:36 am)

          Wrong. Putting a sign on a pole is not illegal and neither is taking one down, unless it is an official city sign. How can you say the victim was not innocent? If he disagreed with the sign he had every right to take it down.

          • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:03 pm)

            Unless everyone here who says the man was wrong thinks that we should have beaten up every person who tore down the posters of the hostage children?….

      • Cal October 14, 2025 (12:06 pm)

        AlkiMom, it sounds like you haven’t seen the sign in question… Unless you have, I don’t see how you have the moral authority to call pulling it down “disgusting.”

        • WS Syd October 15, 2025 (11:57 am)

          Cal, I never saw it. Did you get a picture of it or would you be willing to share what you remember? 

      • Martha October 14, 2025 (12:17 pm)

        Exactly

      • Tired of the BS October 14, 2025 (4:14 pm)

        Genocide appears to be the new slur/trope towards Israel and jews. 

      • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:01 pm)

        How did you feel about the worldwide gleeful tearing down of the signs with hostage children on them?

      • Tikitiki October 14, 2025 (8:59 pm)

        You know hate crime is also based on the perception from the attacker. If I think your a Christian and smack you, that’s considered a hate crime even if you’re Muslim. 

      • -Israel K. October 16, 2025 (3:55 pm)

        Dear “As a Jew ” – TBH as a fellow Jew/”Member of the Tribe” I don’t understand the “As a Jew and not a Zionist”  Jews:1. Are you hoping to be assigned to be the Kapo when they round us all up? If you know any history you know that things didn’t go well for Pro-Nazi Jews in Hitler’s Germany. 2. For 3,000+ years being a Jew was synonymous with recognizing that the ancestral home of all Jews was Israel. What made you forget? Or did you just never know that? 3. Anyway “As a Jew”, I hope to see you “Next year in Jerusalem”, as us Jews in Exile have been saying for 2,000 years.-Fellow MOT

  • David October 13, 2025 (10:37 pm)

    That 30 old should be in jail, NO question.  He is the bad guy.  He physically attacked the senior, not the other way around. Taking a piece of paper off a pole should NOT result in being beaten.  The younger guy was the aggressor.  And to attack an old man…he deserves to be in prison. We don’t need crazy violent people like that in West Seattle.  Shame on that guys parents for not raising him better.  

  • D-Mom October 13, 2025 (10:51 pm)

    Very sad to hear about this assault. Sounds like the 30 year old was looking for a fight. He certainly isn’t standing up against brutality with these actions. 

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:04 pm)

      This comment right here. 

  • Marcus October 14, 2025 (4:13 am)

    If someone is going to assault a senior(easy target for a 30 year old) over a piece of paper then we have bigger problems than I ever thought.

    • WS Syd October 15, 2025 (1:53 pm)

      We do. 

  • Mike October 14, 2025 (5:15 am)

    That 30 year old is going to be in prison for a long long time.  Hate crime + attempted homicide

  • Actually Mike October 14, 2025 (7:08 am)

    Bad move by the assailant. Not a great move by the older guy either, but nothing that would justify an assault. This whole episode reads like a setup by provocateurs to justify the administration sending Idaho National Guard troops to Seattle. Since you know they’re just itching to do that.

    • MyThruppence October 14, 2025 (7:57 am)

      Your interpretation Actually Mike is the one here that scares me the most. The illegitimate declaration of an insurrection will likely be the justification they use to try to intimidate voters/suppress turnout in next years pivotal federal congressional elections. The actions in Chicago, Portland, Washington D.C., Memphis,etc. are designed at this stage to simply to get the American people used to seeing armed military patroling our streets; to normalize the abnormal. Those who sacrificed their lives to stop global fascism in WWII will have given everything for nothing if we as citizens let this succeed. It is hybrid war and we better finally get our head wrapped around it.

    • anonyme October 14, 2025 (8:25 am)

      Creepy thought, but who knows what motivates people these days?  I’m 74 and had a woman proudly declare that she was “35 years old and I will hit you in the face” after I suggested she say “excuse me” for shoving in front of me with her stroller.  It seems like anything and everything is being used as an excuse for violence.

      • helpermonkey October 14, 2025 (10:14 am)

        society is devolving and people have lost their humanity. seems like this happened about, oh, ten years ago. I wonder what event coincided with people becoming dumber and meaner? 

    • Marcus October 14, 2025 (10:40 am)

      They are not that smart and neither is your comment!!

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:05 pm)

      Maybe. Meanwhile, maybe we can all agree to make sure that no one else gets beaten up and called a Zionist pig or a anyrhjng else, for tearing a sign down?

  • The King October 14, 2025 (7:17 am)

    Sounds like he would’ve killed the guy without intervention. Psycho politics abound in Seattle 

  • Alki resident October 14, 2025 (7:48 am)

    I’m sorry the man got injured, I’m not seeing how the criminal would know what religion the elderly man is. Sounds to me he was just looking to assault someone that day and it could’ve been anyone. 

    • Pandora October 17, 2025 (5:59 pm)

      He didn’t know. He assumed. And assumption does not make it any less a hate crime.

  • Lauren October 14, 2025 (8:06 am)

    Honestly no one in this story comes out looking great…. 

  • lucy October 14, 2025 (8:15 am)

    How is it ok to put an offensive (to some people) sign on a pole, but not ok to remove it?    

  • Ryan October 14, 2025 (9:25 am)

    Sign of the times…

  • Pablo October 14, 2025 (9:44 am)

    Just another good reason to not believe in any god.

    • Scarlett October 14, 2025 (11:23 am)

      We’ll evolve out of the need for religion and Gods eventually.  It may take longer than anticipated but it is inevitable.   

    • anonyme October 14, 2025 (12:02 pm)

      Agreed.  Ironically, religion is directly responsible for a great deal of the evil, violence, and division in the world.

      • West Marge October 14, 2025 (3:46 pm)

        Always used as a means for control. 

        • anonyme October 15, 2025 (6:32 am)

          As explored in depth by Yuval Noah Harari in his book Sapiens.

  • Free Palestine stop the hate October 14, 2025 (9:59 am)

    Look, I’m about as far left, pro-Palestine, anti-zionist as a white non-jewish person can get. But NO ONE should be assaulted for tearing down a sign. Firm words? Hell, even yelling at someone for doing so? Sure. But physically harming someone twice your age, even if they are hypothetically a zionist, is never okay.
    Let’s double the amount of signage and stop the hate. Jewish people deserve safety as much as anyone, and the assailant does not stand with the Free Palestine movement. 

    • wscommuter October 14, 2025 (10:44 am)

      Really well said.  I’m not at all far-left – more in the middle – but I really appreciate the intelligence of your comment.   We need more of this.  

    • walkerws October 14, 2025 (11:24 am)

      100% spot on 

    • WS Res October 14, 2025 (12:05 pm)

      Agree here 100%. Assaulting someone is not OK, even if they’re doing something irritating.

    • Rhonda October 14, 2025 (12:52 pm)

      No, yelling “Firm words” isn’t ok. Especially if they threaten someone’s national origin or heritage, race, religion, sex, gender, age, etc, etc. I’ve had people call me a “Jap” and all kinds of other horrible Asian slurs all of my life. Other people of color have had the same experience. Stopping the hate is the only solution.

      • WS Syd October 15, 2025 (12:04 pm)

        💯 right on. 

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:07 pm)

      Shockingly, you might be the person here I agree with the most 😆 (outside of the doubling up on signage).

  • Seniorresident October 14, 2025 (10:03 am)

    I am in my 70s. I frequently take signs off the phone poles.. I consider them visual litter. It has nothing to do with the content of the signs .. they simply ‘trash out’ the neighborhood ..and also fly off and become litter. I also spray paint out gang, graffiti on phone poles and other places… trying to keep a nice neighborhood. Shouldn’t have to be assaulted for that.! That 30-year-old was a political bully and he caused deep harm to someone that would have a hard time healing due to age. What a loser that 30-year-old is! It’s actually illegal to post any signs on phone poles. I appreciate that other people remove them as well.. Mr. 30 year old you are truly a disgusting person and I hope you get in deep serious legal trouble … to the older person: I hope you can fully heal mentally and physically from this low life that assaulted you. Disgusting.!!

    • k October 14, 2025 (11:31 am)

      Ok, Mark Sidran.  It has been legal to post signs on phone poles for like 20 years now.  Kinda feel bad for all the missing pets in your neighborhood, and the yard sales with poor foot traffic because someone is always taking signs down, but everyone has their own idea of what makes civil society civil, I guess.

      • anonyme October 14, 2025 (12:15 pm)

        It may be legal, but there are restrictions and responsibilities attached to posting signs that NOBODY adheres to.  Which, as Senior Resident points out, results in degraded garbage blowing all around, especially on corners, and littering adjacent properties.  I’ve even had some jerk staple their big yard sale sign to my wood fence.  This wouldn’t be an issue if civility actually still existed as Mark Sidran once proposed.  But it doesn’t.  Meaning that lots of folks have resorted to tearing this garbage down preemptively rather than having their neighborhood turned into a dump.

        • K October 14, 2025 (3:16 pm)

          Yeah, I feel bad for the people and pets in your neighborhood too.  There are signs aplenty on the telephone poles near me.  They stay attached to the poles and help us connect with each other.  Maybe you could be neighborly and help put signs back up if you see them falling, instead of preemptively destroying someone else’s work.

      • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:08 pm)

        Rude. 

    • Nolan October 14, 2025 (11:51 pm)

      It’s a shame that you’re so proud of tearing down parts of your community.

  • Scarlett October 14, 2025 (10:17 am)

    The underpinning of “polite” society is ugly brute force and anyone who believes differently lives in la-la land.  

    • West Marge October 14, 2025 (3:48 pm)

      yup. Who defines polite, btw?

  • Brandon Stover October 14, 2025 (10:27 am)

    Which hate crime is everyone talking about here? The guy taking down the sign because he hated its messaging, or the dude who punched the other because he hated what he was saying?  This is why hate crimes are stupid.  Each criminal action is taken because of some form of hate.  Hate crimes are nothing more than virtue speak for the times we decide to use the word when in reality its redundant. If the old dude took down the sign because it was illegally posted, his personal background would have not been discussed, but it was brought up, so it’s more than just that.

    The lesson here is don’t punch people AND don’t rip down signs because you don’t like what either are saying. Ironically, the odds are these two people agree to domestic politics and likely vote the same way but are arguing about something thousands of miles away.

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:10 pm)

      Clearly you have never been the victim of a hate crime. Laws exist for good reason. If you want some stories on what local hate crimes are applied to, happy to supply you with them. Nonetheless, I hope your luck continues. 

  • WSB October 14, 2025 (10:34 am)

    I just got the police narrative, which among other things reveals police did make an arrest. I will update above as fast as I can.

  • Jake October 14, 2025 (10:53 am)

    Arrestee’s account:

    • Confronted victim tearing down Gaza posters near California Ave SW & SW Alaska St.
    • Verbal argument escalated; both headbutted each other, causing a forehead laceration (declined medical care).
    • Victim followed him; victim pepper-sprayed him.
    • Arrestee swung blindly, striking victim ~2 times.

    Quite a different story now…………..

    • Jay October 14, 2025 (3:40 pm)

      Who followed who after the argument is a major detail. If this account by the arrestee is true and the victim followed him after a scuffle and used pepper spray, then the victim is the aggressor and committed assault. Self-defense means standing your ground and retreating if given the opportunity. Following someone negates self-defense. 

  • Belvidear October 14, 2025 (11:16 am)

    What happens to the dogs in such a situation?

    • TC October 14, 2025 (4:47 pm)

      I was inside the Kisuki Ramen after this happened and the arrestee was outside getting milk and water for his eyes. At the time we had no idea what was going on (didn’t see the assault happen) but we assumed pepper spray. There was a woman with him who I assumed was the witness in the policy report. She was holding onto a dog on a leash. So I assume she had the dog, but no idea what happened to the dog after he was arrested.

  • Derek October 14, 2025 (11:21 am)

    Okay so now we have two sides. And how is this a hate crime? I still fail to see how he could have known he was Jewish. We are getting so cooked as a society and fast. From all angles. 

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:12 pm)

      What you describe is not why we are cooked. Your lack of understanding what hate crimes are and where they come from is. 

  • Ron October 14, 2025 (11:42 am)

    Even after the update, it sounds like the “victim” was trying to provoke a confrontation. Being called a zionist is not antisemitism. “Victim” could have not torn down flyers and not caused a scene, or simply walked away after tearing down the flyers. Instead he pursued the arrestee and pepper sprayed him, escalating the situation. 

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:13 pm)

      Thank, Ron, for letting the Jews know what we should and shouldn’t feel offended or intimidated by. May I return the favor?

  • Martha October 14, 2025 (12:01 pm)

    The “victim” is 71. Big deal. Plenty of 71 year old men are still walking around healthy and acting like they own the world. The “victim ” is Jewish. Big deal. The “assailant ” would have no way of knowing the “victim’s” age or religion. Sounds like two MEN got into an argument that escalated. Sounds like two MEN should both be accountable. This was in no way a hate crime. 

    • Jethro Marx October 14, 2025 (2:59 pm)

      As Kendrick might put it, I hate a guy hatin’ on a guy and they’re both jerks.

    • 1994 October 14, 2025 (11:00 pm)

      Martha has good points.  My own wondering is maybe the assailant is Jewish? who knows? does it matter? 2 guys got into an altercation.

  • Jay October 14, 2025 (3:54 pm)

    Conflating the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity with Zionism is in itself antisemitic. Jewish religion, Jewish ethnicity, and Zionism are three completely separate things. There are many followers of Judaism who weren’t born Jewish. Bernie Sanders is a secular ethnic Jew who is outspoken against Zionism. There are more than double the number of Evangelical Christian Zionists in America (around 35 million) than there are people of Jewish ethnicity in the entire world (just under 16 million). 

  • Josh October 14, 2025 (3:59 pm)

    Not a hate crime. Two toxic male narcissists yes. A crime probably. A hate crime, no. Based on the supplied information. 

    • WS Syd October 14, 2025 (7:17 pm)

      Cool. See you at the hearing. 

      • Josh October 14, 2025 (11:28 pm)

        I won’t be there, but please report back. I bet this will be hard to even get any convictions or pleas at all, much less a conviction for a Hate Crime. That’s a pretty high bar to prove and so far the facts of this case don’t seem to prove what would need to be proven in order to convince a jury to convict or the accused to plea. Regardless please report back. 

      • Josh October 14, 2025 (11:40 pm)

        Never mind, you can’t report back because there will be no hearing. I see Tracey updated the story and I was right:  insufficient evidence to charge with hate crime. Not having evidence to even charge makes it super hard to eventually get a conviction I would imagine. 

  • aa October 14, 2025 (5:56 pm)

    All of this bickering is the same as the two people involved in the sign altercation.  

    • Josh October 14, 2025 (11:42 pm)

      I would disagree. It would only be the same if we started screaming at each other then started taking turns physically assaulting one another. So this is not the same. 

  • Alki resident October 14, 2025 (7:16 pm)

    Funny how the truth comes out and it’s nothing like anyone’s imagination. 

  • Amy October 14, 2025 (7:23 pm)

    Obviously physical violence is not the answer to any problem and we will probably never know what the truth is here. But in a world where free speech is being trampled on it is incredibly upsetting to me (as a mom who was born in west Seattle and is now raising children here) that we would tolerate someone tearing down posters that bring to light the genocide happening on our watch. And it enrages me to no end that we cannot simply call this out without being painted as antisemitic. .  

    • WS Syd October 15, 2025 (12:09 pm)

      Aw geez, Amy. I don’t know anyone who is not an antisemite who worries about being painted as one. 

      And maybe you should see someone about that misplaced rage. It’s for sure not good for your children. Our our diverse community.

  • Zipda October 14, 2025 (9:04 pm)

    “Zionist Pig”, clearly a hate crime, compounded by a 30 year old attacking a 70 year old. So disgusting on so many levels.

  • Killian October 14, 2025 (10:54 pm)

    Peace deal brokered, we should all find a way to make peace. Thank god for DJT!!!

    • K October 15, 2025 (3:38 am)

      It’s a ceasefire, not a peace deal, and it’s the same one brokered under the Biden administration, that Trump pressured the Israelis not to agree to back in October when it was first written, for fear it would help the Harris campaign.  Hardly an agent of peace.

  • Admiralpup October 15, 2025 (6:06 am)

    Uh Killian- peace deal after sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel to murder innocent civilians. Yeah, try again. Nothing peaceful about that. DJT is vile. 

  • Admiralpup October 15, 2025 (6:10 am)

    All you people who desperately wanted to paint this as a hate crime and then spew your fake stats and lies. What a joke! 

  • D-Mom October 15, 2025 (6:59 am)

    Very disappointed this guy was released and the prosecutor is not moving forward with charges. I don’t want someone like that in our community. The victim and the community deserve justice over this assault. 

    • Sarah October 15, 2025 (9:49 am)

      If there were sufficient evidence, I’m sure they’d be charging him. They still can, if/when that evidence comes forward. Surely at least one of the businesses along that stretch caught some of this encounter on security camera.I personally am not comfortable with someone being charged with a hate crime based solely on one person’s claim and mutual assault injuries. That’s a very serious accusation needing more substantiation IMO. 

    • Alki resident October 15, 2025 (10:03 am)

      They both head butted each other. There’s no victim, nor a suspect. Just two childish males. 

      • WS Syd October 15, 2025 (12:11 pm)

        Such an off take. As all of yours have been on this topic. But it’s a free country, so do you.

  • Scarlett October 15, 2025 (10:40 am)

    Martin Buber, the prominent Austrian-Israeli scholar,  espoused a different kind of Zionism, a spiritual awakening and a binational state of Israel where all could co-exist peacefully and on an equal basis; as 20% of the population, Arabs are legal citizens but still do not enjoy all the full privileges of Jews.  Like everything else,  Zionism has become a crude transactional commodity    

  • anonyme October 15, 2025 (1:22 pm)

    For those few interested in facts, here are the official rules regarding signs and fliers: https://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departments/SDOT/About/DocumentLibrary/DirectorsRules/sdot_dirrule_0202B.pdf

  • Mike October 15, 2025 (9:52 pm)

    How’s the elderly victim doing?  Any updates?

    • walkerws October 16, 2025 (9:31 am)

      Turns out he may have been the aggressor and not the victim

  • Community Advocate October 15, 2025 (10:35 pm)

    Washington State House Bill 1052, also known as the “Clarifying a hate crime offense” bill, is a law that clarifies and updated Washington’s hate crime statute by specifying that a crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the biased motivation is a factor “in whole or in part”. The law, which took effect in July 2025, expands the definition of hate crimes to include acts motivated by prejudice based on a person’s race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender expression or identity, or disability.  

  • Rochelle Kochin October 16, 2025 (8:02 am)

    A Zionist is a person who supports the homeland of the Jewish people. Israel is the ancient and only homeland of the Jewish people. Jews are a nationality as well as a religion. Most Jews love and support Israel. The suspect called the elderly victim a “f-ing Zionist pig.” That would be like attacking someone and calling them a “f-ing French (or Irish or any other nationality) pig”.  That is a hate crime.

Sorry, comment time is over.