WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: Sound Transit board chair optimistic; opponents not giving up

Two notes about West Seattle light rail tonight:

(Image from Final Environmental Impact Statement for West Seattle Link Extension, page 176 of appendix N.2)

BOARD CHAIR’S OPTIMISM: When King County Executive Dow Constantine spoke to the Rotary Club of West Seattle today, light rail was one of the topics. He noted first that the next step is the Federal Transit Authority’s “Record of Decision,” formalizing what the Sound Transit Board – which he chairs – approved in October. That’s expected in February, he said (a few months later than planned, as a Sound Transit spokesperson had told us last month). But he believes “we are in a strong position to deliver what voters approved” in 2016. A short time later, in response to a meeting attendee’s question about timeline (officially still projected to open in 2032), Constantine said, “the scope is really the question – such as, do you build the Avalon station or not? – there are 100 questions like that, that the board’s going to have to answer.” He won’t be there for all the answers, as he’s not running for re-election (which he had more to say about, as we’ll report in a separate story tomorrow).

OPPONENTS NOT GIVING UP: The Rethink the Link group, which wants to see West Seattle light rail canceled, is planning a community forum on January 25, its first event since a walking tour last June. One organizer says, “Yes, it is the eleventh hour, but that is often when people wake up.” We asked about the point of the forum, since the board has chosen the “project to be built” – this is most of their reply:

Broadly speaking, our mission is to inform the West Seattle community of the scope and impacts of Sound Transit’s light rail project. The information given to folks at various “outreach” events- and found in both the 2022 Draft EIS and in Sound Transit’s Final EIS (released September 20, 2024) is often incomplete, inaccurate, vague, or non-existent.

The West Seattle Community Transit/ Light Rail Forum will include

(1) a complete and detailed map of the entire route! (All segments will have the same scale and north orientation!)

(2) a list of all residences and businesses that have been notified of potential eminent domain.

(3) a map of the Delridge, Avalon, and Alaska Junction stations WITH list of businesses and residences that will be demolished

(4) a street map of traffic detours during construction, e.g., the closure of Alaska forcing all traffic to be moved to Oregon and Edmunds

(5) a map of our current bus routes, and routes that Metro has cut (Our experts can talk about how easily and inexpensively we can give ALL of West Seattle better transit without light rail.)

(6) a list of the 13 food sources that will be eliminated (causing a ‘food desert” from Delridge to WS Junction

They also believe that some ST Board members “realize dropping WS light rail could be a win/win/win!” and observe that “The new US Department of Transportation might also help us out by cutting the funding.” Their forum is set for 10 am Saturday, January 25, at the Center for Active Living (4217 SW Oregon).

72 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: Sound Transit board chair optimistic; opponents not giving up"

  • Griff January 7, 2025 (6:22 pm)

    “The new US Department of Transportation might also help us out by cutting the funding.”The mask is off.

    • Liz S January 8, 2025 (7:11 am)

      Seriously. It’s only a matter of time before they start talking about all the nebulous crime (by which they mean poor people) that light rail will bring to the neighborhood. Commenters below are already doing it.

    • Lauren January 8, 2025 (8:49 am)

      💯

  • hmmm January 7, 2025 (6:43 pm)

    “The new US Department of Transportation might also help us out by cutting the funding.”

    Ya know, when you need to hope for support from Trump, you just might be in the wrong…

  • Oh Seattle… January 7, 2025 (7:01 pm)

    It is amazing how we keep spending billions on projects and then don’t build them. It’s been studied and studied and studied and it’s time to move forward. I hate the word NIMBY but the resistance is for and by the people that don’t want West Seattle to change… an entire generation is being left without any real opportunity to own a home. This is the first and most important step toward equity and progress and growth and prosperity. Buses are not a solution. Grade separated transportation is the only real solution to start to give the city back to everyone. I don’t love this routing or plan in general, but this is what we got and it’s better than the alternative: status quo/nothing. 

    • EVGuy January 7, 2025 (8:09 pm)

      How, exactly, does removing real estate from use to devote it to a light rail for a location 20 minutes away make housing cheaper? Why are buses not a solution? You could have bus routes every 5 minutes for the cost of the light rail over the water.     Spending billions on already-over-budget boondoggles is why we don’t have nice things, not the other way around. 

      • Go Rail January 7, 2025 (9:00 pm)

        @EVGuy & @Gay as noted above “Grade separated transportation” is the key. We cannot simply add more buses because increase in cars on the road and lack of space for more buses on the road will create more congestion. We have to separate mass transportation options from cars and trucks to have a reliable, streamlined and durable people moving solution. Hopefully, light rail will continue to be built through West Seattle into White center and Burien in the future.

      • Oh Seattle January 7, 2025 (9:22 pm)

        Grade separated transit (even buses on their own dedicated roads and bridges but not on our current road network) is the most scalable and sustainable transportation solution for growth. Mobility is by far the most critical component for equity. If people can move more freely without the burden of cars (cost, fuel, maintenance, insurance and parking) then people have more options for places to live. The growth stimulated by housing that isn’t car dependent, again more scalable and inherently denser. These types of urban centers help grow retail cores and the smaller scale and potential rapid expansion of housing options creates affordability. This plan could grow West Seattle massively, especially close the route. And no, the way we currently do buses does not scale. And a 20 minute bus ride would be 3-5 minutes on a train. 

        • WS Guy January 8, 2025 (4:21 am)

          Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) is a great answer.  Instead of building a dedicated rail bridge, build a dedicated bus bridge with feeder lanes.  Cheaper – plus an advantage is that it will be forward-compatible with driverless vehicle transport, which is more convenient for point-to-point transit and will be really popular in the coming years.  (Try Waymo – it’s in SF now and could be running driverless bus/van service with dynamic routing within 5 years.)

        • WS Guy January 8, 2025 (4:27 am)

          A 3-5 minute train ride… what is that one stop?  More like 12 minutes after taking a 15 minute bus ride to the train station and a 3 minutes escalator to the platform.  And then a transfer at SODO (until 2035), an escalator to the street, and a 15 minute walk from one of the handful of stations on the fixed rail line.I’m not against trains per se but don’t BS me.

      • Jon Wright January 7, 2025 (11:17 pm)

        Yes, an infinitesimal amount of West Seattle real estate will be needed for the construction of light rail. However, once it is built, Sound Transit’s redevelopment of that property will probably return the number of affected housing units tenfold.

  • Gay January 7, 2025 (7:12 pm)

    More buses…many more, please!  It would work. We do not need the light rail. Not here.  Bring back all the bus routes and keep them running up into the neighborhoods.

    • KBear January 7, 2025 (7:40 pm)

      Buses get stuck in traffic. How would you change that? The only way is to give buses a separate road that cars are not allowed on. Might as well build light rail. 

      • EVGuy January 7, 2025 (9:02 pm)

        You mean a bus lane? Like the ones all over town, that already exist? 

        • KM January 7, 2025 (10:07 pm)

          Oh the ones used by entitled drivers and delivery drivers? The ones that disappear, merging with general traffic onto major highways? The ones earmarked for “all modes” at certain times? The ones with limited enforcement and no self-enforcing design? The current design is not working, bro. If it did, grade separated ground transport wouldn’t be necessary. 

        • Derek January 7, 2025 (11:00 pm)

          You mean the bus lane currently sharing lanes with cars on the ramp that got backed up three miles this morning? That one?

        • CAM January 7, 2025 (11:48 pm)

          That cars drive in with no consequences ever? Unless you’re voting for bus lanes with concrete barriers separating them from all traffic buses are not rapid transit. 

    • Arbor Heights Resident January 7, 2025 (7:55 pm)

      I have good news for you: the WSLE project will be great for our bus system, because Link trains have a far higher capacity than the buses they replace. Here’s the breakdown:

      Each Siemens Series 2 Link car has a maximum capacity of 194 passengers, and they are operated in trains of 3 or 4 cars. In comparison, each New Flyer DE60LFR Metro bus on the C line has a maximum capacity of 58 passengers. This means that one light rail operator can transport as many passengers as 10 to 13 Metro bus operators. Those 9 to 12 bus drivers can be reassigned to increase bus service on other routes!

      So if you want a better bus system, you should support the West Seattle Link Extension!

      • Martin January 7, 2025 (8:21 pm)

        For years to come the WSLE will only run to SODO and therefore most people will have to transfer twice (WS and SODO). That will take much longer than staying on the bus to downtown. Metro is already saying they will continue the buses to downtown meaning no savings of bus drivers or reassignment of bus service to other routes. Those big trains will mostly be empty. Sound Transit only expects 5400 riders a day, less than most bus routes. So why are we spending $7b on this and not just increase bus service NOW?

        • WSR January 7, 2025 (10:03 pm)

          That is incorrect. Taking the bus and making connections downtown is infinitely longer than taking light rail. I have taken a bus and transferred to light rail riding as far as Northgate and it is significantly faster than taking the bus the entire way (this is prior to the extension of the served areas up north). I have even taken the bus as far as Redmond with transfer to ST Express buses and I bet once they connect the lines it will still be faster on light rail. I doubt the ST estimates are correct with the amount of people moving into the area and the number of packed buses during prime commuting hours and even off hours. I’m not sure where all the ridership resides but there are many people who transfer at downtown light rail stations to continue further north. 

        • Jon Wright January 7, 2025 (11:04 pm)

          “For years to come” is 7 years (2032 to 2039). Not ideal but hardly the indefinite amount of time your disingenuous wording implies.

        • CAM January 7, 2025 (11:50 pm)

          Martin – some of us already transfer to get to where we’re going. The idea that someone riding public transit expects to get from beginning to end without ever transferring means that person doesn’t use public transit often. 

      • Chemist January 7, 2025 (8:28 pm)

        For what it’s worth, the series 2 cars have a seated capacity of 70 and, iirc, that 194 is called a “crush capacity” of standing folks.  The metro bus you mention has a 58 seated capacity and much more at standing.  Light rail can carry more people but your math is a bit slanted if you compare a standing/crush capacity to a bus seated capacity.

      • WS resident January 7, 2025 (10:41 pm)

        The light rail is going to be even further away from me than the C Line, which is already a 25 min walk. Many times in order to utilize the C Line, I’ve driven and parked in the junction. I support the light rail, but a lot of West Seattle would directly benefit from more bus coverage. If adding last mile options to get to the light rail isn’t in the plans, it will greatly hinder it’s effectiveness.

        • Foop January 8, 2025 (12:17 am)

          I believe the plan is to have the buses that go downtown today to feed the light rail once Ballard is done.

        • WSR January 8, 2025 (1:33 am)

          Fully agree the light rail should serve more beyond the Junction. It is really unfortunate this extension doesn’t go further to White Center and Burien since it could help a significant number of people at lower incomes. However if you already park at Junction to take the C, how is light rail even further for you if the planned terminus is in the Junction (42 & Alaska)? 

    • K January 7, 2025 (8:01 pm)

      Still a bus driver shortage.  A shortage that’s still expected to persist for many years to come.  Buses don’t drive themselves.  Light rail carries far more passengers per operator, so it makes more sense given ongoing staffing issues.

      • Martin January 7, 2025 (8:13 pm)

        Light rail will only serve 3 stations, we still need buses to cover all of West Seattle. Pay and train drivers properly and we can eliminate the driver shortage.

        • k January 8, 2025 (7:59 am)

          Alleviating need on major routes via light rail service and we will alleviate the shortage, allowing more routes going further into neighborhoods.

        • Chris January 8, 2025 (9:49 am)

          Martin–we already pay and train drivers well at Metro. The driver shortage is mostly over, but there aren’t an infinite number of people who want that tough job. Everytime ST extends light rail, Metro restructures service. We will take the money saved by not running 600 buses a day downtown and redirect that service to improve coverage and frequency of buses within West Seattle just like we have done elsewhere. 

    • Neighbor January 8, 2025 (12:40 pm)

      Light rail will free up bus coaches and drivers to serve local routes.  We don’t need to waste bus drivers on the Rapid Ride when we have light rail.

  • Alki resident January 7, 2025 (7:26 pm)

    Adding this overpriced artwork will destroy the dynamic of West Seattle. So many businesses will be destroyed and forced out of the area. All for what? Go 15 down to SODO and catch another train? Makes zero sense. Not to mention the drug smoke and violence that comes with these trains. Add more buses, there’s plenty of time frames to work them in. 

    • geoff January 7, 2025 (8:39 pm)

      Christ. Could you be any more racist? 

      • Alki resident January 8, 2025 (7:39 am)

        Where do you read racism in my comment? Give it a rest dude. 

    • WS Resident January 7, 2025 (8:46 pm)

      I actually can’t find a straight answer to the question, does the West Seattle route continue to the Ballard link extension once that’s completed?

    • East Coast Cynic January 7, 2025 (8:51 pm)

      Yes, take light rail to SODO and catch another train – for many West Seattlites that work at the UW, in North Seattle, and on the Eastside, this would be a tremendous transit sea change for the better.  Not every person who lives in West Seattle works downtown.

    • WSR January 7, 2025 (9:05 pm)

      What nonsense! You haven’t encountered smoke, violence and the mentally unstable on buses at all? I have seen it all and then some. Full transparency, I’ve also seen it on the light rail and yet I still take these modes of transportation because I don’t own a car for economic reasons.Question is do you even take public transportation? I’d like to say no since it’s never been a 15 minute bus ride down to SODO at any hour, maybe in the past and in your ideal conditions. And now with Amazon employees going back to work downtown both roads and buses are going to be crowded even if a bus lane exists on the bridge. Sometimes it would take me well over an hour to get home during rush hour from Colman Dock/Alaskan Way be it traffic, weather or no more space on the bus.  Light rail is far from overpriced art. So many of the anti-Link group refuse to change and want to see meaningful growth in this area because it doesn’t serve you. Plain and simple. 

      • Derek January 7, 2025 (10:56 pm)

        Vehicle crashes from “mentally unstable” drivers daily. Many fatal ones per year.

        • WSR January 8, 2025 (1:39 am)

          Entirely different topic of conversation my man, but agreed. 

        • CarDriver January 8, 2025 (6:49 am)

          Derek. Would love to read about that.  Please share your documentation on that. 

          • k January 8, 2025 (12:48 pm)

            The Blog has a “search” feature.  Highly recommend it.

    • Go Rail January 7, 2025 (9:06 pm)

      @Alki Resident while having any business taken out is heartbreaking, building light rail has shown time and again that it helps spur growth and increase business opportunities. Portland saw the growth when they built their light rail on the 90s and 2000s. Seattle area light race station neighborhoods have see development increase. It is good for the community in the long run and gives us more transportation options. We have to think long term investment here. 

    • Peter January 8, 2025 (8:32 am)

      Ah the good old transit causes crime LIE. It was only a matter of time before some LIAR trotted that out. 

    • Neighbor January 8, 2025 (12:49 pm)

      You’re just so completely wrong about all of this.  You didn’t even get close enough to be corrected.  You’re not just wrong.  You’re Not Even Wrong.

  • Arbor Heights Resident January 7, 2025 (7:36 pm)

    Good grief, a food desert? In the junction? I don’t know how anyone takes these anti-transit people seriously. And very telling that they think the new anti-transit administration will help their cause…

    • Scarlett January 7, 2025 (10:39 pm)

      Don’t conflate anti-light rail with being anti-public transportation.   I take bus transit to every corner of King County and my opposition to light rail is based on its vastly oversold claims and obscene cost.  I’ll go to the library if I want to pick up some romantic fiction.  

      • K January 8, 2025 (2:33 am)

        You don’t need to go to the library.  Just visit the Rethink the Link site if you want some fiction, lol

      • walkerws January 8, 2025 (8:31 am)

        The “anti-light rail but pro-bus” is a smokescreen. These people are anti-public transportation but don’t want to say it because they know it’s a bad position.

      • Arbor Heights Resident January 8, 2025 (11:26 am)

        You’re not fooling anyone with that line. The anti-Link people are anti-transit and the fact that they think Project 2025 will help them is just more proof of that.

  • Derek January 7, 2025 (8:18 pm)

    We need to speed up lightrail. We already lost a year.

  • Bus Rider January 7, 2025 (8:55 pm)

    We advocate for better transportation to and from WS (bus) and better bus service within our community.    Sound Transit rail will take us only to SODO in 10 years – but most West Seattleites will not be able to use it easily because there will be NO parking at the stations – and limited bus service to the stations- and after getting there we will have to go down 90’ on an escalator or 80’ in an elevator to ride the 4 miles to SODO where everyone will have to transfer whether to bus or light rail.

    • Derek January 7, 2025 (10:55 pm)

      Can we stop the disingenuous “only take us to SoDo” lie

    • CAM January 7, 2025 (11:53 pm)

      Well zero percent of that is based on facts. 

    • Another One January 8, 2025 (9:34 am)

      I wonder how the enormous and efficient subway systems of other large cities got started? Did they all just suddenly appear one day? 

  • West Seattle Mad Sci Guy January 7, 2025 (10:45 pm)

    Am…am I in a parks and recreation episode?

  • matt January 7, 2025 (10:54 pm)

    I want light rail ASAP.  Can’t wait!

  • Johnny Stulic January 8, 2025 (12:02 am)

    Why are the people who are against the Seattle light rail aiming so low? You should should shoot for the stars, go global: branch into other large world metropolises like Tokyo, London, NYC, Shanghai, and convince them they’re stupid for running their subway systems and they should immediately dismantle them and switch to buses instead. If they won’t listen, pretend they’re Greenland or Panama and threaten them with TFG.

  • Dara January 8, 2025 (2:35 am)

    Just here to add another perspective. I was brought back to my job after a layoff only because of work created by the ST light rail project. I came back to Seattle for this work, giving this place a last chance I didn’t think I’d be able to afford. I can think of dozens of others whose livelihood now depends on this project and can only imagine how many more jobs this project will create as it fully unfolds, if it’s allowed to unfold. In addition, I’ve seen firsthand the POSITIVE impact of emminent domain on property owners. For too long this action has been equated as unfair seizure. Owners are fairly compensated and many only lose access to small portions of land, otherwise unused at present.

  • Niko January 8, 2025 (4:40 am)

    Defund sound Transit 

  • Salal January 8, 2025 (6:36 am)

    Lighty rail is a reallllllly bad plan for west seattle

  • bill January 8, 2025 (8:31 am)

    The Link Rethinkers claim ‘The information given to folks at various “outreach” events- and found in both the 2022 Draft EIS and in Sound Transit’s Final EIS (released September 20, 2024) is often incomplete, inaccurate, vague, or non-existent.’ I will grant the EIS is not 4th-grade level reading. It is a serious document, compiled by serious people, with the information available. But the Rethinkers somehow have better information than the staff working on the project? I am particularly amused by the claim the Rethinkers are going to present “a list of all residences and businesses that have been notified of potential eminent domain.” That already exists in Appendix L of the EIS. But the Rethinkers have a better list? How did they divine corrections to the official list? By the way, the Appendix is a searchable PDF so it’s not all that hard to look up a property.

  • Shawn January 8, 2025 (8:37 am)

    These anti transit people need to stop. It’s so infuriating. This has already taken far too long. How can a person in a city justify being anti transit?  We desperately need this train immediately. We needed it a decade ago.

  • LetItGo January 8, 2025 (8:42 am)

    I am wildly entertained by the folks dying on the mountain of “you will have to transfer to go anywhere”–Have you been to any other major metropolitan city in the US or around the world with a high-functioning train system? They all require transfers at some point. Stop trying to cut off access to WS, buses will not cut it, it’s clear from our current situation that buses are not magically efficient with having to sit in the same traffic as the rest of us. I love this community so much but I’m SO tired of all of the himming and hawwing over nonsense; it’s truly a reason I’ve considered selling my house and moving to another neighborhood but I won’t let the louder voices win, I’ll just keep sharing my opposing opinions to make others uncomfortable. 

    • Another One January 8, 2025 (9:36 am)

      It’s very obvious they haven’t spent time using an effecient light rail system for daily life, or even have the capacity to imagine it. 

  • Peter January 8, 2025 (8:48 am)

    What the people saying they want more busses instead of light rail are refusing to understand is that not building light rail will not result in any additional bus service. Metro and Sound Transit are completely separate agencies with separate funding, operations, staff, equipment, and legal authorizations. Not building light rail will only result in WS residents paying ST taxes for no additional transit service. I can’t help noticing those crying that we need more buses instead of light rail are not proposing any plan to fund and build out bus service that would have the equivalent speed and capacity of light rail. Even if there were a real proposal to implement such bus service, I would literally bet my house that the same people opposing light rail would oppose the enforced 24/7 bus lanes, real signal priority, and massive increase in the number of buses running that would be required to do it.

  • Aaron G January 8, 2025 (8:51 am)

    Very much looking forward to light rail coming to West Seattle.

  • CarDriver January 8, 2025 (8:55 am)

    Will be interesting to read comments in the blog from those advocating for it when the bills for it come in and they realize what it’s costing them.  Do we need mass transit? YES. Will it be worth the blank check we’ve all signed and handed over? Will be interesting to see the final results (if I live long enough).

  • Chris January 8, 2025 (9:53 am)

    This meeting is hardly a “forum”.  That implies real debate. This is a meeting of a small group of people who oppose light rail to West Seattle. If it is really a forum, then I am sure they will give those of us who support light rail equal time to present and make our case.  I don’t think that will happen at this meeting. 

    • BlairJ January 8, 2025 (1:05 pm)

      I plan on attending to find out how open a forum this is, and to show my support for light rail to West Seattle.

  • CorvidFan January 8, 2025 (1:29 pm)

    I’ve lived in a neighborhood which had Light Rail before (Capitol Hill) , and it was so convenient.   Took me four minutes to get downtown to work!  Before the Capitol Hill Light Rail station was completed it took a minimum of 30 minutes on the bus to get to work.   The Light Rail is FAST, plus it loads more quickly than the bus and typically has trains coming every 10 minutes.  It’s great for getting to Seatac and has plenty of room for luggage. Also, it can accommodate more than two bike riders at a time.  Is the construction phase going to be inconvenient?  Sure, what construction project isn’t.  But in the long run the Light Rail will benefit West Seattle.  

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