UPDATE: Deadly head-on crash on Admiral Way; survivor identified as local chef

11:36 PM: Police and fire are arriving on the Admiral Way hill north of the bridge for a reported two-car head-on collision. One person is reported trapped in one of the cars. Avoid the area. The Admiral exit from the westbound bridge is being blocked off in addition to traffic on the hill, both ways.

11:44 PM: The trapped person has been extricated, firefighters told dispatch.

(Reader photo)

12:12 AM: Police have just described the crash as fatal. (The person who was extricated had been originally described as a woman, unresponsive.) The investigation will likely mean the street will remain closed for a few hours.

1:07 AM: No visual because the scene is inaccessible with the hill blocked off, but the two vehicles were described by police as a silver Camaro – the victim was reported to be in that car – and a blue Toyota 4Runner. No further details from police so far on how many people were in the vehicles; we’re asking SFD whether anyone who survived the crash was treated for injuries.

1:45 AM: Police have just told dispatch that Admiral is reopening, both ways.

7:51 AM SFD says a 34-year-old man was taken to the hospital, in stable condition.

(Added: Photo posted by Jesse in comments)

8:05 AM: Here’s what SPD just posted:

Witnesses called 911 for a head on collision involving two vehicles late Saturday evening.

Police arrived around 11:30 p.m. near the intersection of Southwest Admiral Way and Southwest City View Street and found the two vehicles in the southbound lanes.

The female driver of the silver Camaro was reported to be driving at a high rate of speed northbound on Southwest Admiral Street when she lost control. The Camaro travelled into the opposite lanes of traffic colliding head on with a blue Toyota 4Runner traveling southbound.

Seattle Fire responded and assisted in removing the 23-year-old female driver from her vehicle. SFD provided life-saving measures, but the female driver succumbed to her injuries sustained from the collision at the scene.

The 34-year-old male driver of the 4Runner sustained non-life-threatening injuries. SFD transported him to Harborview Medical Center for further medical treatment.

TCIS will be lead in the investigation of this case.

12:45 PM: We don’t know the name of the woman who died, but we’ve just received word that the man who survived is a local chef and that friends are crowdfunding for his recovery, which is expected to last months. Candice sent us this note:

The victim of the car crash on Admiral last night was Nick Chiaro, a chef at Driftwood restaurant on Alki. As his friend & coworker, my fiance has set up a GoFundMe for his recovery.

Here’s the link.

Bdr November 5, 2023 (4:44 am)

So sad to read the crash was fatal. Condolences to the person’s friends and family of the woman who died. My heart breaks for you all. . 🙏🏻😢Let’s all be more careful driving. This will impact so many people. The loss of the woman and those that know her. The survivors of this will be forever impacted too.

mark November 7, 2023 (10:53 am)

Speed limit is 25mph, clearly she was speeding excessively.

Jesse Binkley November 5, 2023 (7:13 am)

22blades November 5, 2023 (8:01 am)

Another fatal accident. I wonder if it was excessive speed & loss of control coming off the West Seattle Bridge.Nobody even remotely looks at the speed limits on or going onto Admiral. It’s obscene.

Heidi Parenteau November 5, 2023 (3:19 pm)

All I know that was my son in-laws best friend and it is a horrible situation for you to be so like heartless and wonder how fast she was going and a smack in the face, like oh well! Hopefully you never experience this life altering trauma
- Jesse November 9, 2023 (5:46 pm)
  
  Well she did just commit vehiclular assault and easilu could have killer someone else.
  - castro November 18, 2023 (4:05 pm)
    
    Jesse this happen to be my best friend and this comment makes it hard not to be mad at ignorance. If you knew who she was you would keep quiet. She didn’t do drugs barely drank anything. Let me help you get educated. Here’s logic was it not the night of heavy rain/storm? Why be in a third lane did someone cut her off? I personally know her at the age of 24 she was human resources at a well known hotel also worked as a manager of hotel at night this is not a person who is not responsible. please for the respect of the dead don speak on what you do not know that’s not cool. By these words you sound like someone who assumes and doesn’t dig for facts. its too easy to be judge behind a computer but don’t worry your judgement will come. God bless and hope you learn to be open minded people like you is why we live in what we live in with judgmental views. smh
Sam November 7, 2023 (10:53 am)

+1

Steve November 5, 2023 (8:58 am)

I can’t speak for everyone but the veteran West Seattleites remember the days of the speed traps on Admiral . If your going up Admiral at a high rate of speed you know it. She knew it. You don’t loose control of a Camaro going 30 without phones or being impaired…

Ly November 5, 2023 (9:08 am)

I remember this! . Always see people just flying up or down the hill in Admiral now. Wish they bring those speed traps back.
The King November 5, 2023 (10:05 am)

Sounds like the Camaro was speeding but there are a lot of other ways to lose control. Ice, unkept roads, a medical condition, mechanical failure. A friend of mine flew off a cliff in his suv due to getting a cramp in his hamstring. It’s not just two things.
1994 November 5, 2023 (10:46 pm)

Time for some road cushions to slow drivers down? Observed, and heard, a driver pulling a small trailer today driver over road cushions on Marine View Driver – there was a LOT of noise from the trailer and trailer contents.
Ken November 6, 2023 (10:39 am)

I can recall the speed traps setup by the motorcycle officers. On the east side of Admiral, they used to hide at SW City View and SW Hanford. On the west end, they liked hiding in the small alley at SW Stevens across from Schmitz Park. Too bad they no longer do it. They would pretty much be giving tickets to virtually every car that passes.

Blbl November 5, 2023 (9:08 am)

We need a barrier between the north and south lanes there.

Gg November 5, 2023 (10:07 am)

This sounds like a logical solution. Hope it happens.
JD November 6, 2023 (9:47 am)

It still blows my mind that there hasn’t been a barrier installed. Unfortunately everything with SDOT is reaction vs proactive so maybe now they wake up.

Frog November 5, 2023 (9:23 am)

The Admiral hill is one of the stranger places to drive in West Seattle, and that’s saying a lot now days. I drive it frequently, and never in a hurry, so I get passed a lot. An amazing number of drivers, possibly a majority, strongly believe the speed limit should be 45 and are determined to fight for that principle. It’s not just a couple of scofflaws, and not just opportunistic, going 45 if the road is clear. Drivers get very impatient with anyone who betrays the cause by driving only slightly over the speed limit. If I coast down the hill in the bridge-bound lane at 35, a majority of other drivers think it’s too slow and will pass on the right at 45 or more. Coming up from the five-way, it’s often difficult to get over to the right lane, because so many drivers are going 45 in the right lane, either coming off the bridge, or passing me on the right because they can’t wait for me to get over. I am surprised there aren’t more crashes there.

heartless November 5, 2023 (10:33 am)

I agree, and your last points particularly resonate with me. Coming up from the Chelan Cafe area and trying to get over to the right on Admiral (because, as you note, going anything close to the speed limit means I’ll be the slowest car around) is frustrating. People coming off the bridge are zooming, and often seem really angry when I switch over into that lane. Wish we had a cop or, at the very least, traffic camera, along that stretch.
Rebecca November 5, 2023 (3:05 pm)

thank you for saying this! i do the same both up and downhill, but usually cap around 30-31mph and get the wooooorrrrrrst looks from passing speeders. it makes me smile. headed south/downhill does pose a problem, however, because typically i need to be in the left lane, but i do have respect for the slower-traffic-keep-right idea. getting back over to merge onto the bridge or head down to the five way is virtually impossible. as a younger driver i would flash my lights at speeding cars in the opposite direction if there were a speed trap ahead of them, but now i’d welcome the trap and encourage more tickets to (hopefully!) fund some of our much needed programs lacking capital. bring on the bike cop at the top of the hill!!
- Josh November 9, 2023 (9:36 am)
  
  The whole “slower traffic move right thing” is only for freeways and restricted access highways. This rule does not apply to city arterials and byways, including the West Seattle/Spokane St Bridge.
R November 6, 2023 (9:00 am)

Same. Going downhill there is the worst. People ride your tail if you’re doing 40. Then speed around you. If you need to go that fast, you should have left earlier.

CarDriver November 5, 2023 (9:34 am)

WSB. Will SPD release the toxicology report and also how fast she was going? As another commenter mentioned I’m betting drug/alcohol impairment was a major contributor to this wreck.

WSB November 5, 2023 (2:02 pm)

I don’t know if they do toxicology tests on dead people. The system seems to be backlogged enough awaiting test results for people who might face charges. As for the speed, that will likely be in an eventual report since TCI (Traffic Collision Investigation) detectives investigated, though those reports are generally not available for weeks or months – TR
- Rebecca November 5, 2023 (3:07 pm)
  
  i think there would have to be something done to test for the at-fault determination in any kind of insurance claim moving forward. i’m disheartened to hear a locally employed chef was unwittingly made part of this equation. best wishes to him and driftwood!
- Kersti Elisabeth Muul November 8, 2023 (10:13 pm)
  
  Tox is absolutely done on deceased people, for many reasons
dmmrozek November 8, 2023 (3:33 pm)

WTF? Like she deserved this?

Trey November 5, 2023 (10:04 am)

Extremely sad. The speeding on Admiral and the West Seattle Bridge are OUT OF CONTROL, to the point where it’s unsafe for law-abiding citizens to drive at even close to the speed limit. I’m not sure what the best solution is, but I’m all in favor of speed cameras. Time for everyone to be scared of $200+ automatic speeding tickets. Driving behaviors will not change unless there are consequences. Cameras likely wouldn’t have changed the outcome last night, but there’s a bigger safety issue that needs to be addressed. People are now conditioned to go 20+ over the speed limit on these roads, and it’s a recipe for more fatalities. Stay safe, everyone.

Mike November 5, 2023 (10:58 am)

I live off Admiral, just north of the accident scene. With the drastic reduction in police, there is no traffic law enforcement. It is crazy. While many drivers go about 45 mph, a significant number reach much higher speeds. We will have more fatalities. The Admiral hill is best-known as the longest freeway ramp in the State. Speed cameras would help.

Zipda November 5, 2023 (10:59 am)

Tragic loss of life.I agree that many speed on that Admiral stretch and hope the city considers putting up a barrier between north and south bound lanes.

Blbl November 5, 2023 (2:57 pm)

This seems like a relatively simple fix that would have likely prevented this and many other accidents. I have driven this stretch multiple times a day for over twenty years and I’ve seen people just accidentally drift across the lanes because of distractions, impairment, or avoiding obstacles.

Admyrl Byrd November 5, 2023 (12:55 pm)

I predict – rather than increase the speed limit to what the road was engineered to – we will do something truly Seattle and eliminate one lane in each direction and make them bike lanes a la West Marginal Way. Ludicrous? Maybe, but it would work and the traffic volume really doesn’t need two lanes each way.I’m old enough to remember when there were random motorcycle cops hiding. When they transitioned to a predictable 8:45a each weekday it became a joke so apparently they gave up.

Jort November 5, 2023 (1:15 pm)

Just a reminder that there are citizens of the Admiral neighborhood who publicly advocate to transportation agencies that lower speed limits actually make roads more unsafe, and that speed limits should be set to “whatever drivers feel most comfortable driving.” Speed cameras on this road would help, but so would reducing this road to one lane in each direction. Every day that the city chooses to do nothing about this road (and this is an active public safety choice the city is making) is another day in which citizens lives are at risk. For 75 years, America has designed its roads with “speedy travel” as the most important consideration. We shouldn’t act surprised when roads that were intentionally designed to facilitate speeding vehicles result in drivers speeding in their vehicles.

WarOnCars November 5, 2023 (7:53 pm)

that first sentence is entirely conjecture. provide a source.
- heartless November 5, 2023 (8:50 pm)
  
  No, it’s depressingly true. MJ, for example, used to argue this a lot, dunno if he’s still around.
  - WarOnCars November 5, 2023 (9:40 pm)
    
    or, you know, provide a source: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/lowering-speed-limits-makes-seattle-streets-safer hmmm “safer”, huh?
    - Jort November 5, 2023 (11:42 pm)
      
      Sorry, I think we agree. I’m referring to a particular argument that has been posited frequently on this very fine blog (including in a post later in this thread) that consistently argues that lowering speed limits actually reduces safety. This is the viewpoint of the majority of traffic engineers. Did you know that traffic engineers measure success of their designs by how many cars can get through as fast as possible? This is actually true. Entire generations of civic engineers have literally been rewarded for prioritizing speed and throughput rather than safety. Delightfully, newer generations of engineers are taking their place, but there is still a lot of work to do — and a lot of harm to undo.
    - Jethro Marx November 6, 2023 (6:57 am)
      
      “This is the viewpoint of the majority of traffic engineers. Did you know that traffic engineers measure success of their designs by how many cars can get through as fast as possible?”
      
      Holy conjecture, Jort- how did you gather this information? I don’t think you understand what engineers do. They certainly do not tend to design things based on political leaning or psychological principles, in my experience. They also are hardly ever in a position to lay the metrics determining what counts as success.
      
      I don’t think MJ was/is a civil engineer; I remember them constantly throwing out red herrings about lower speed limits being more dangerous but I can’t imagine a professional in the field would agree regardless of what generation they come from. I have noticed it’s kind of a trend around here to blame earlier generations for our problems.
    - heartless November 6, 2023 (7:02 am)
      
      waroncars: Yeah, that’s what we (you me and Jort) all agree on. I think you might have mis-read Jort’s original point–he was saying some people argue the opposite.
    - WarOnCars November 6, 2023 (3:46 pm)
      
      y’all are right, i did misread Jort’s OP (i read it a couple times, as i was surprised by the take, but alas…) sorry for the inflammatory responses.
    - Greg November 6, 2023 (6:01 pm)
      
      I’m glad there’s a study, but the only statistical significance on injury rate it can find is WITHIN the downtown area. Outside of downtown, injury rates were not statistically significant. I’m also frustrated that the study doesn’t look at traffic deaths, which have steadily increased since 2016 despite the Vision Zero investments.Full study:https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/bibliography/2279
heartless November 6, 2023 (2:44 pm)

Jethro,I’m not going to give out anyone’s personal information, but maybe you could just trust me that MJ was/is actually a traffic engineer based out of Admiral.

Just Slow Down November 5, 2023 (3:29 pm)

Wowza … there are also people who believe the Earth is flat & that Trump won in 2020.

The belief that lower speed limits make roads more unsafe is absurd. Further, setting the speed limit to “whatever drivers feel most comfortable driving” is downright bonkers!

Steph November 5, 2023 (11:47 pm)

I’m broken hearted for the family of the young woman. So sorry for your loss.
Frog November 6, 2023 (5:12 pm)

I am guessing the argument would be: if speed limits are set below a certain common sense level, people assume they are based on anti-car ideology rather than any rational principle, and cease to obey them at all. So by that logic, lowering the speed limit below a certain point could actually increase the speed at which people drive, thus increasing the danger. Experience with the Admiral hill could be taken to confirm this theory — six or eight years ago when the limit was 30 mph, I recall people driving more slowly than they do now. But it’s a multi-variable problem, and the elimination of enforcement or other factors might explain the current speeds better than reduction of the speed limit to 25.

Devastated November 5, 2023 (3:48 pm)

The woman who was unfortunately killed went to school with me. She was an immigrant along with her family. Her name was Edonna. Just one bad decision can end in tragedy

Lauren November 5, 2023 (8:38 pm)

I’m so sorry. It is tragic to lose anyone. Losing someone to a crash is especially devastating.

Do something SDOT November 5, 2023 (4:55 pm)

We’ve had a traffic study in SDOT’s hands for over 2 years now showing that the avg speed is 40mph+ and we have excess 100 drivers going 60 mph+ daily. Blood on SDOT’s hands, they’ve had a smoking gun of the traffic study in their hands for too long. What can the neighborhood do when SDOT owns the roads?

Lincoln Park Mom November 6, 2023 (10:43 am)

Why the heck are we blaming SDOT for high speeds? It’s time for people to stop finding blame in the city and take responsibility for their own actions. Slow down, abide by the traffic laws and you might find more people getting where they need to go safe and sound. Jeez

Dyn99 November 5, 2023 (5:01 pm)

Even SPD officers ignore the speed limit on Admiral. With a lack of SPD officers and speed limits that are artificially low, the typical human reaction is to totally ignore the posted speed limit and drive however fast you want. That’s why actual data should be used to set speed limits instead of the idealistic theoretical crap they currently choose. The current approach creates an encouragement to do whatever you’d like since there are zero consequences (save death from reckless driving).The whole policy of lowering speed limits in the name of zero traffic deaths is actually resulting in more traffic deaths…

CAM November 5, 2023 (6:09 pm)

This isn’t about a lack of officers. SPD stopped doing most traffic stops long ago before there was any complaint about shortage of officers. IIRC one of the contributing factors was the inability to stop the traffic enforcement from engaging in biased practices for stops and ticketing/arrests. Want more traffic enforcement? Get rid of SPOG and fix the culture in SPD to recruit and retain and train officers who are better at their jobs.

Admiral-2009 November 5, 2023 (6:36 pm)

I still remember when Admiral Hill had a posted Speed Limit of 35 mph that was credible based on the technical, the science, data. Properly set speed limits improve safety for all users of the street. Improperly set limits reduce safety for all users!

WSB November 5, 2023 (7:21 pm)

Of potential interest … the comment thread was a lot like this one after a previous deadly head-on crash, at the top of the hill … 13 years ago.
https://westseattleblog.com/2010/03/heavy-rescue-call-2-vehicle-crash-at-37thadmiral/

Rhonda November 5, 2023 (7:29 pm)

Jersey barriers save lives.

Compassionate Neighbor November 5, 2023 (7:37 pm)

Prayers for a speedy recovery for Nick Chiaro and for the family of the person who died.

heartbreaking November 5, 2023 (7:51 pm)

WSB please share this link. Sending love to her family. May she rest in peace. https://www.gofundme.com/f/edona-uka?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer

Nic November 5, 2023 (9:25 pm)

This is so heartbreaking! I can’t imagine what her family is going through. I hope people will donate so her family can have a service for her. Thank you for posting the link. So sad all the way around.

WarOnCars November 5, 2023 (7:52 pm)

Drivers in this thread have really lost the plot. How does raising a speed limit reduce the danger of speeding? Now you’re allowing more cars to travel faster which means more kinetic energy in the system overall. You know what’s worst than a head on collision b/t a car going 60 and one going 25? if the one going 25 is now going 35. the infrastructure stays the exact same, and the person here lost control, so how would’ve a bigger number of those white rectangles done anything here? y’all seems much more interested grinding an axe about how you can’t speed as much as you’d like to on this street and are shoe-horning that opinion into a story of a person dying. in the future there will be whole PhDs given out from researching how the collective stress of driving cars had a toll on our societies ability to reason, empathize, and maintain sanity.

Shadowtripper November 5, 2023 (8:07 pm)

How about allowing Seattle police to use radar again and pull over or pursue speeding vehicles?

Shadowtripper November 5, 2023 (8:26 pm)

How about widening the sidewalk up Admiral Way to view point allowing bicycles to share travel on it. Thus allowing the traffic lanes to be widened to their original width design. Those oncoming center lanes are a half second of not paying attention and you are over the center line for a potential head-on. Plus those of us that can’t pedal or use a motorized bicycle could walk their bike up hill.

Foop November 6, 2023 (1:03 pm)

If the goal is slowing cars down, widening the lane is the exact opposite of what you need to do.

Clarissa Perez November 5, 2023 (9:38 pm)

I believe the victim who perished is my classmate from high school, Edona Uka. She was 23 and also passed of a car accident. Here is the Gofundme started by her family:https://gofund.me/6a6904d1

Lamont November 5, 2023 (9:51 pm)

People are driving 45 on that road because its a 4 lane road with wide lanes and there’s not even any sidewalks or parking on the southbound lane, and on the northbound lane the bike lane is usually empty and the on street parking isn’t even used that much. Drivers don’t have to worry about pedestrians crossing the road. Everything about the way that road is designed suggests a speed of ~40-45 mph. Putting up white signs that say 25 mph doesn’t actually change how people drive.

If you want people to generally drive slower, then do something like remove two of the lanes, narrow them, put in sidewalks on the other side, and put in a separated bike lane (or two). It’d be ideal to do something so that it wasn’t one straight shot as well, to make drivers have to maneuver halfway down it.

(Note that I’m not entering into this argument you’re all having about if higher speed limits are safer or not, but my point is entirely that the design of the road governs the speed that people drive much more than the signs on the road)

Mariem November 6, 2023 (6:16 am)

Agree with much of what Lamont said. Not sure about more bike lanes when it’s already rarely used, but perhaps a whole different design would encourage more cyclists.
- KM November 6, 2023 (10:21 am)
  
  Bingo. I wouldn’t ride on Admiral Way hill as it is now. But with some traffic calming and non-plastic protected bike lanes, it’s a real quick trip! This road is wide enough for everyone to have safe infrastructure.
- DC November 6, 2023 (12:46 pm)
  
  The current conditions give zero indication of how a bike lane would be used if it was protected. No one in there right mind would bike going down the hill on Admiral and even going up on the painted bike lane is too much for me with cars zooming by at 45 with no protection. I would absolutely bike there with a protected bike lane!

M November 5, 2023 (10:20 pm)

I was going down Admiral earlier today going 32 mph and almost got rear ended twice. One car came up on me fast then switched lanes to pass me barely leaving room when switching lanes and then cutting me off to switch in front of me again. He had to be going 50 mph. A few seconds later, another car came up fast and almost rear ended me. I wish SPD would bring back the patrols and radar. Even my brother travels down the hill at 45 mph and he typically is a slow “Grandpa” driver. On the side streets, he goes only 10 mph, but for some reason he goes fast down Admiral. If SPD is reading the thread, please bring back the motor cycle police with radar.

Guy Olson November 5, 2023 (10:40 pm)

I feel so bad for that driver minding his own business driving down the hill and was slammed into by that driver. The audacity to share the Camaro driver’s GoFundMe is very disheartening, sad!

Cat Girl November 6, 2023 (5:27 am)

She was a person, with friends and family, who are mourning her. You can acknowledge she shouldn’t have been speeding without needlessly shaming the people who loved her for wanting to give her a funeral service.
Hotcoffee November 6, 2023 (8:12 am)

Wow – compassion much, Guy? That fund is for her family who did nothing wrong yet suffered a monstrous loss. You know nothing of the circumstances – she could have been driving the same as apparently most every other driver on that road and lost control for any number of reasons. It was an accident. Her family deserves our compassion. Think I’ll go donate $10 in Guy Olsen’s name.
Nic November 6, 2023 (8:28 am)

The Camaro driver unfortunately paid the ultimate price for this accident. The other driver also has a long road to recovery and that is also horrible. But none of us know what the circumstances were. We only know that someone said speeding. Which by the comments on this read, sounds like a lot of people do in that spot. She doesn’t have the opportunity now to learn from that mistake. I’m not understanding the audacity to publicly shame her friends and family who have lost her forever. She is from West Seattle and has younger brothers and sisters and parents who are beyond grief at this point and who may be reading this post. Hopefully the part of you that was young once and made poor decisions can appreciate you got to live and learn from them and have some compassion for this girl’s family.

Kathy November 5, 2023 (11:34 pm)

Northbound Admiral Way is so overdue for a road diet. There is no earthly reason why there should be 2 northbound lanes because traffic never backs up between the West Seattle Bridge off ramp and the bridge over Fairmount ravine. The northbound drivers obeying the speed limit would then suppress the speeding that is currently encouraged by this short stretch of road being designed like a freeway.

Kt November 6, 2023 (4:44 am)

People speeding off the bridge is just another sign to me that we live in a time where people only care about themselves and not the greater community. Sad this woman lost her life, sad that this young man has had his life interrupted, and sad we need deterrents to make people to the right thing, i.e. drive safely and look out for others.

Admiral-2009 November 6, 2023 (7:33 am)

Guy Olson – agreed. The victim in this horrific crash was Nick Chiaro who I hope makes a full recovery quickly.

k November 6, 2023 (11:08 am)

There are many victims here. Nick’s loss is horrible, and so is the pain and suffering of Edona’s family and friends. I can’t imagine piling more criticism onto their grief is any any way making Nick feel better, so maybe just keep it to yourself, please. For everyone’s sake.

Pete November 6, 2023 (9:35 am)

A barrier between north and south bound lanes would be a great start. As would raising the speed limit to a more reasonable 35 mph, as even the slowest drivers going up and down Admiral are going at least 30 mph. Limiting northbound Admiral is a spectacularly bad idea, as it would most certainly back up traffic down the off ramp and onto the bridge.At the same time, drivers need to be more careful and attentive, especially on wet roads. More patrols would be great, emphasizing not just speed but phones. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone up or down Admiral and the person actually going 25 is on their phone, oblivious to the circumstances around them.

Marie November 6, 2023 (9:42 am)

Contact SDOT to petition to get a barrier in the middle of the road for north and south bound lanes to avoid this occurring again.

M November 6, 2023 (11:35 am)

Hate to break it to everyone on this thread advocating for a higher speed limit but a residential road which is not engineered for > 25 mph is ludicrous. We have an outward sloped 90 degree turn, traveling at 35mph on that turn given the erosion that’s taken place would result in tall vehicles overturning, and increases the chance of southbound traffic falling into the north bound lanes. Let alone the argument that no kids in north admiral can safely walk or bike to school because Admiral is the only street that crosses the ravine. Or that families can’t safely walk on the street.Speed humps or remove 1 lane. Insane what ridiculous engineering principles people will advocate for in order to protect their freedom to speed a multi-ton chunk of metal in a residential zone all to get somewhere a maximum of 30 seconds earlier.

Admiral-2009 November 6, 2023 (2:07 pm)

M – you are wrong. The City classifies Admiral Way as a Principal Arterial street; it is not a local access residential street. Protected sidewalks exist on both sides of this Principal Arterial where it crosses the ravine. And it has sidewalks on both sides essentially from 36th to and from the west and on the east side up and down the hill to and from the south.

M November 14, 2023 (12:48 pm)

Both crashes on Saturday spilled over onto sidewalks. How is “having a sidewalk” a solution here?

Barton November 7, 2023 (12:13 pm)

This thread is a breathtakingly heartless punch in the gut. I doubt there is anyone on this thread that has never exceeded the speed limit for some reason or another. A young person lost her life. Devastating. Yet certain posters can’t even pause their usual talking points to recognize this loss before resuming their relentless quest to be the smartest, most virtuous in the room. Shameful.

Carless November 9, 2023 (3:46 am)

people live around here that don’t drive or have cars, btw. so, yes, there are in fact people in this thread that have never exceeded the speed limit in this community. and i can guarantee those folks are actually willing to see major changes done to save lives unlike folks who want to only offer their sadness and condolences while changing nothing to an inherently dangerous mode of transit.

Virginia November 7, 2023 (4:11 pm)

I’m so sorry to hear this news. Blessings to family and friends,

Joe Finelli. November 7, 2023 (8:27 pm)

Yes, same with Highland Park Way. It just amazes me that people have died on both of these hills and nothing happens. They did finally do something after the death on the West Seattle Bridge.

Sorry, comment time is over.