TUESDAY: City Council briefing on ‘racing zone’ designation that could pave way for speed cameras on Alki, Harbor, West Marginal

The map is from the presentation that members of the City Council’s Transportation and Seattle Public Utilities Committee will see tomorrow morning, their first look at the proposal to designate six streets – three in West Seattle, three elsewhere – as “restricted racing zones.” As we reported last week, this would be necessary before speed-enforcement cameras could be set up. The presentation explains that what’s being proposed now is a potential prelude to cameras, but does not authorize or fund them:

Here’s what that new state authorization means:

The council staff memo also prepared for Tuesday’s briefing has no price tag or other specifics about the potential speed cameras, noting, “This legislation anticipates that the [mayor] will propose implementation measures as part of a future budget proposal, including progress on the required equity analysis. … The financial and other implications of implementing additional camera enforcement will be dependent on the specific implementation measures proposed.” Tomorrow’s meeting starts at 9:30 am and will not include a vote on this – it’s just a briefing. But the meeting will start with a public comment period for this item and anything else on the agenda, which explains how to comment either online/by phone or in person at City Hall downtown.

104 Replies to "TUESDAY: City Council briefing on 'racing zone' designation that could pave way for speed cameras on Alki, Harbor, West Marginal"

  • MolM June 19, 2023 (10:29 pm)

    100% supportive of this innovative way to control the illegal car behavior on Alki and Harbor. Kudos  to Lisa Herbold for the bold proposal to finally address the ongoing issue with technology that allows for the reduced presence of SPD due to budget cuts and recruitment issues.  This is a good tool in providing a better experience for all at Alki beach . Thank you Lisa for the proposal of this tool  for better quality of experience at Alki  forboth residents and visitors!   

    • Jill Loblaw June 20, 2023 (5:58 am)

      Completely agree and in favor of this action. I have driven those streets for years and have seen an increase in aggressive/careless/speeding driving. 

  • SpencerGT June 19, 2023 (10:56 pm)

    I feel like this could apply to half of the streets in Seattle.

  • Rusty June 19, 2023 (11:34 pm)

    Add north side of Delridge Way to this list. Been almost killed several times crossing this street with people using the Bus Only lane as their own personal freeway blowing through red lights at 70 mph. 

    • Solution already exist June 20, 2023 (6:07 am)

      So what you’re asking for is bus lane cameras and not racing cameras? The solution already exist. No need for these new ticket everyone cameras that drive a 5 mph over. 

      • Rusty June 20, 2023 (1:17 pm)

        Nope, not at all what I was implying

    • Jeepney June 20, 2023 (8:17 am)

      Please keep in mind that the the southbound bus lane is open to all traffic outside of the hours specified on multiples signs.  I use it frequently and get many odd looks from folk in the regular lane.

      • Delridge neighbor June 20, 2023 (9:24 pm)

        No, the southbound buslane is NOT a drivable lane outside of bus hours. It WAS designated for parking after hours. We were explicitly told we were allowed to park on it outside of the bus hours.

        • Jeepney June 21, 2023 (7:24 am)

          Please re-read the sign and state where it says “parking only” outside of the specified hours.

      • zark00 June 21, 2023 (10:57 am)

        Super wrong on that one. Totally illegal to use the bus lane for anything but right turns at any time – I hope you get a lot of tickets. 

        • Jeepney June 21, 2023 (11:30 am)

          Haven’t got any yet!  😆

    • Ross June 20, 2023 (9:29 am)

      How long have you lived off delridge ?

  • Chemist June 19, 2023 (11:53 pm)

    So, you designate the roadway as an area that has street racing problems, especially at night, and then put cameras in that issue tickets for exceeding the 30 mph speed limit on WMW (lowered from 40 mph just a few years ago) or 25 mph speed limit on alki 24/7 ?  I kind of feel like a “street racing” camera should trigger at a threshold more akin to actual racing, like over 50 mph.

    • Yeah June 20, 2023 (6:09 am)

      Because you feel entitled to drive your vehicle illegally fast? 

    • Also John June 20, 2023 (7:06 am)

      Completely agree!    There must be a way to trigger the camera for all vehicles going over 50  mph.

    • Josh June 20, 2023 (7:23 am)

      How you feel should be completely irrelevant. The function of byways is not to connect you to your feelings or for you to decide how quickly you should use them but rather to safely convey goods and people. Physics determine what is safe not your feelings. The problem is not just overt street racers but people who race from here to there based on their feelings including their feeling that they are meaningfully gaining time by rushing between red lights only gaining on their own grave and nothing else. 

      • zark00 June 21, 2023 (10:58 am)

        Well said, and funny :) 

    • Catgirl June 20, 2023 (7:47 am)

      If you’re going over the speed limit, you deserve a ticket. I don’t care if it’s five miles over the limit, you deserve a ticket. Irresponsible drivers are a huge problem and, having seen someone killed by a speeding driver, I have zero empathy for anyone driving over the limit. 

    • WestSeattleBadTakes June 20, 2023 (7:49 am)

      Is there a part of speed limit you’re not understanding?

    • Foop June 20, 2023 (8:04 am)

      And here come folks telling on themselves again.If you hit a pedestrian going 50mph, you’re going to kill them.

      • Jim June 20, 2023 (2:06 pm)

        Nobody is arguing in favor of going 50 plus The fact that the cameras trigger at 5 over is ridiculous that’s oftentimes the speed of traffic and it’s safer to go the speed of traffic instead of trying to play police officer and slow down everyone else

    • K June 20, 2023 (8:45 am)

      I agree 100%. The lowered speed limits are far too low especially for Marginal.  Make those reasonable for drivers who need to get from point A to B without taking forever.  And yes what will ticketing do for the “racers”?  Definitely not a deterrent and likely not paid.  Do the police ever do anything about the racing?  I have heard it constantly for YEARS.  It is worrisome to say the least.  Kids have died.  I feel like nothing has ever been done to stop it, and it is just allowed in those areas. This is not the answer.  

      • zark00 June 21, 2023 (11:04 am)

        ticketing racers totally works. Tickets keep you from getting tabs, tabs are essential for anyone into cars in general, especially if you take your cars to the track which a lot of the street racers do. 

    • Luke June 20, 2023 (9:07 am)

      Second. 

    • Yeah June 20, 2023 (9:31 am)

      Because you feel entitled to drive your vehicle illegally fast? 

      • Jim June 20, 2023 (10:47 am)

        The speed limit of 25 miles an hour is unreasonably slow and going five over has never really been that frowned upon from a legal standpoint. It’s somewhat of a gray area, But keep giving the government more control I’m sure it’ll turn out just fine

        • Rusty June 20, 2023 (1:21 pm)

          So is this the full circle anti-governemnt take to do nothing?

          • Jim June 20, 2023 (2:08 pm)

            No I would prefer a task force to deal with street racing specifically and more harsh penalties like vehicle impounding and heavy fines for those who are caught street racing especially multiple times. These vehicles oftentimes don’t have plates on their car or even stolen and sometimes both

          • John June 20, 2023 (9:09 pm)

            I completely agree with Jim. The real problem is there is no police enforcement of traffic laws in the city. People constantly run red lights or go 40 miles over the speed limit, half the time those people don’t even have plates. The real way to fix this is actual traffic enforcement and ticketing. Starting January first actually impounding vehicles for this is going to make much more of a difference to deter this problem than traffic cameras that are easily circumvented (remember the endless stream of cars using the low bridge?)

  • Rhonda June 20, 2023 (12:39 am)

    This will result in tickets for Alki residents doing 30 in a 25 who will pay them and to  scofflaws doing 70 who won’t. Be careful what you ask for.

    • Rumbles June 20, 2023 (2:36 am)

      @Rhonda 100% agree!  These people are breaking the law anyway, what makes anyone think they are going to pay the ticket or even have license plates on their car?!  While it’s admirable they are trying to come up with a solution, the bottom line is you need to arrest some of the racers and impound their cars.  

    • they June 20, 2023 (4:35 am)

      Bingo…

    • moji June 20, 2023 (7:26 am)

      This is exactly what will happen. Speed cameras will hardly deter the scofflaws.

    • Josh June 20, 2023 (7:26 am)

      You have this strange habit of demanding action on everything and then complaining about every action taken if it doesn’t conform to your personal wishes. The cameras won’t ticket you until above 30 and if you can’t go 25 then you don’t deserve to drive especially if you view yourself as law abiding and look derisively upon those who you deem are not. 

    • M June 20, 2023 (7:29 am)

      Agree. 

    • Dooh June 20, 2023 (9:05 am)

      After reading reports of people covering their license plates to cross the low bridge, and more people telling them DON’T have to pay for these tickets.  All i can see is more privileged people of West Seattle/Alki not paying those tickets.  They were the ones doing those exact things. I don’t see why people that have money,  living on Alki, that do this stuff. It is Amazing to me.  Great idea,  exect that they won’t pay the tickets

    • Dooh June 20, 2023 (10:25 am)

      I really don’t think that West Seattle residents will pay either. Remember people covering their plates to drive the low bridge.  

    • Must be Wednesday June 20, 2023 (10:29 am)

      I agree with Rhonda (for the very first time). And with Chemist. Cameras are a fine idea that needs smart implementation so they do the job they’re actually supposed to do – deter the racers. Please, City Council and Mayor Harrell, get this right. 

    • Jim June 20, 2023 (10:46 am)

      Exactly right! And what’s to stop them from taking their license plates off so there’s nowhere to even send a ticket

    • Frog June 20, 2023 (11:09 am)

      Racers will remove or cover their license plates, so they will never receive any tickets.  The whole thing is so absurd, it’s hard to even speculate what the true motive is.

    • North Admiral Neighbor June 20, 2023 (2:29 pm)

       Hopefully that will encourage Alki residents who are driving above the speed limit to slow down on such a pedestrian heavy segment of road. I’m usually against the low 20-25mph speed limits but in area with as many cyclists, pedestrians, and disabled folks trying to navigate the area it makes perfect sense for Alki to have increased speed enforcement of 25mph limits.

  • Kyle June 20, 2023 (4:31 am)

    This isn’t about racing. This is a work around to target everyday speeders. Like it or not.

  • Leon Jackson June 20, 2023 (4:32 am)

    Not gonna fix it. They will just remove someone else’s plates for the evening and continue on their parade. 

    • Jim June 20, 2023 (2:10 pm)

      That’s assuming they even have plates on their vehicle at all!

  • Dan June 20, 2023 (5:45 am)

    So basically what this means is if you are going to race you now have to take your license plates off or do it in a stolen car? It’s a good idea but there’s too many ways around it unfortunately

  • Chris June 20, 2023 (5:45 am)

    Problem is will they migrate to other West Seattle streets to race?   They were racing around in neighborhoods at one time.   We did have several racing around recently.   We fear for our seniors and children.   Curious why arrangements could not be made at the race track for the racers to safely race?

    • John June 20, 2023 (2:11 pm)

      Some of them may migrate which is definitely a scary thought however I think a lot of them will remove their license plates. I was coming home from a friend’s around 10:30 a couple months ago and almost got rear-ended on Beach Drive by a little sports car and a lifted truck following quickly after it

    • Thomas June 20, 2023 (4:42 pm)

      If you really want to have a impact. Put cameras around all the schools.Everyday parents are rushing to get their kids to school and to work.

  • S - In West Seattle June 20, 2023 (6:45 am)

    I love how everyone has turned and wants camera all the sudden. It wasn’t to long ago there were cameras put up in West Seattle and everyone complained and the City took them down. 

  • Froggy14 June 20, 2023 (6:53 am)

    I have witnessed many “special cars” on nice days heading to Alki and also both directions on WMW with no plates or covered plates – what will the speed cameras accomplish?

  • Liz June 20, 2023 (7:04 am)

    If the cameras would really be here for racing then the cameras speeds should be set at racing speeds. Going 30 35 40mph isn’t racing.  

    • John June 20, 2023 (2:14 pm)

      Especially when those are The speed limits that these roads were designed for. I’ve seen so many people who although they’re doing the right thing have a line of cars tailgating them and they refuse to pull over. I’m not saying the people have to yield to speeders but I was taught in driver’s ed if somebody’s tailgating you it’s better to pull over and let them pass then to have a potentially aggressive situation

  • Bill June 20, 2023 (7:46 am)

    This is good.   Of course it’ll push those racers to Fauntleroy Way by Lincoln park.  Late at night, that place gets loud with the roar of engines as it is

    • Niko June 20, 2023 (2:14 pm)

      I think you’re giving the criminal street racers too much credit for being thinkers. They’ll probably just remove their license plates or cover them

  • WestSeattleBadTakes June 20, 2023 (7:46 am)

    The same tired solutions. Let’s see how it goes.

  • Alki June 20, 2023 (7:47 am)

    So true….. Hoping SPD has an implementation plan to address this 

  • Alkilocal June 20, 2023 (8:03 am)

    I love the idea to deter speeding.I want to be sure these aren’t speed traps but capture, track, and mitigate reckless driving in residential communities.    So scary to be waking with my family and see cars going 60+.   Odd how admiral is not on there.Cars rev engines at the light by Alki elementary and then drag race up the hill. Turn around, come back and repeat. Don’t forget the donuts in the middle of admiral by 61st while getting ready to que up again. Query: am I seeing w marginal way as a zone as well? When did this area become a “racing area” that impacts walkers. The new bike lane was put in to mitigate traffic and odds on this route.I’d much rather vote on more streets like admiral and more local Alki/west Seattle. Even California by Hamilton view point is a better idea than w marginal way. That feels like a speed trap and not a racing prevention. 

    • Kyle June 20, 2023 (11:46 am)

      These will be speed traps. They will ticket every car that goes above 30. Should generate a lot of cash for the city. If it was about racing they would set the trigger for a ticket, at like what you recommend, 60.

  • 937 June 20, 2023 (8:09 am)

    Anyone who would give up Liberty for security deserves and will receive neither.Or something.

    • James June 21, 2023 (12:15 pm)

      Bingo. It’s absurd people want cameras every single place on earth now. 

  • Seattlite June 20, 2023 (8:20 am)

    Don’t forget the dangerous drivers who speed on Erskine Way that turns into 48th Ave SW.  The speed bumps on 48th Ave SW do nothing to deter reckless, speeding drivers.

  • AnnoyedonAvalon June 20, 2023 (8:31 am)

    I can’t wait for this to turn into another “invasion of privacy” argument and then it gets permanently tabled. 

    • YES2WS June 20, 2023 (3:18 pm)

      Good. It needs to get tabled. Or at the very least, set it to trigger at true street racing speeds. 

  • Carol Thomte June 20, 2023 (8:33 am)

    I agree about Delridge. Many vehicles  (including police cars without siren) go way to fast, especially in the early morning

  • AlkiNeighbor June 20, 2023 (8:38 am)

    I agree with Rhonda 100%! This will definitely penalize the tax paying citizens who live on or near Alki & these other areas who have the money to pay tickets & do pay them even if it’s only 5-10pm over the speed limit Vs actually penalizing those who street race or drive recklessly! Those who willingly drive reckless won’t care about a speed camera in place and won’t pay the tickets that come in the mail anyways. Actual emphasis speed patrols by SPD at peak times may be a much better use of time & tax payer money once SPD is fully staffed, as they can authorize having the vehicle impounded on the spot for reckless driving vs a camera ticket in the mailthat’ll just be ignore by many who break the law in the first place. On paper this sounds great to those who are fed up with racing vehicles but in reality I guarantee it won’t reduce the issue & the residents will be paying more tickets than the racers will. Be careful what you wish for, you may regret this once it’s fully implemented. 

    • John June 20, 2023 (2:24 pm)

      100% agreed!

  • Jeff June 20, 2023 (9:12 am)

    NO to cameras please! Enough of this government overreach and spending. This won’t fix anything.

  • Jay June 20, 2023 (9:13 am)

    It’s not going to work unless it also accompanies enforcement around displaying license plates. Hooners take their plates off, use a fake vanity plate like “HOON1GAN”, or use those blackout plate covers. It’s only going to ticket regular folks going a little over the limit and take a lot of anonymous pictures of hooning that can’t be used for ticketing. Traffic calming devices are the better strategy.

  • Rick June 20, 2023 (10:00 am)

    We’re on Oven View Drive (35th & 112th) on the straight away before it turns into Marine View Drive and we get our share of zoomers. Usually a pretty quiet neighborhood but I’d be OK with cameras or even the speed bumps they’ve talked about. Got my first camera ticket ( first ticket since last century) at Gatewood school when the school lights turned on just before the camera flash. I don’t deny doing 27 in a 25 (20 with school lights) but I’ve still scheduled a mitigation hearing to at least question the timing of the flashing lights and the camera ticket. Which was only 270.00 bucks! We’ll see what happens.

  • Niko June 20, 2023 (10:01 am)

    This has nothing to do with stopping racing and everything to do with revenue generation. Oftentimes I noticed these vehicles that drive recklessly and race don’t have any license plates on their car. This is just part of the continued war on cars

  • shawn June 20, 2023 (10:14 am)

    The speeding laws haven’t been enforced at all in this town since I moved here almost twenty years ago.  I’ve never seen or heard of anyone getting an actual speeding ticket.  This is plainly about generating revenue rather than safety.  If they actually cared about the drag racing, or even just the idiots that do 60 down marginal by themselves while they rip pass the “speeders” going 35, they’d instead patrol these roads occasionally and actually pull over the racers themselves. Address the problem directly. Instead they are just going to get a fat payday from people doing 28 in a 25. You can always tell; if they are using cameras and mailing tickets, its only about money; if they use human police, like to harrass homeless people or doing PR, that’s something they actually care about.

    • John June 20, 2023 (2:26 pm)

      I got my first and only speeding ticket when I was 19 driving past gatewood in July going 44 when it was still 35. Not that it’s an excuse I was on the way to Harborview my dad had been in a motorcycle accident. But there were no cars in front of me and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen an actual speed trap that works in West Seattle

      • Josh June 20, 2023 (8:05 pm)

        The irony that you were speeding to get to someone who had been in a vehicle accident combined with your whining about being held accountable for going more than 5 over throughout this thread is honestly hilarious. 

  • Scarlett June 20, 2023 (10:34 am)

    Who was it, DeTocqueville, who said that the wealthier a nation becomes the less interested it is in freedom?  Fits our current political climate perfectly.   

    • Josh June 20, 2023 (8:07 pm)

      Detoqueville was most assuredly not concerned about people who want to speed just so they could either wait at the next red light or eventually kill someone or themselves with their selfish nonsense. How about the freedom to get from here to there unmolested and safely that speeders take away from others?

  • Alki Neighbor June 20, 2023 (10:34 am)

    Wish they were to include Admiral as well to cover people speeding up and down the hill back and to their race on Alki.

  • N.Admiral June 20, 2023 (11:02 am)

    I think we need one over in North Admiral too, those dummies go flying down between Walker and Atlantic!

  • Lamont June 20, 2023 (11:21 am)

    The racing and high velocity speeding is going to be done by people in stolen cars or with license plates that can’t be read.  This will probably mint a large amount of 5-15mph tickets to average people which will disproportionately impact the poorest communities, while being rich will entitle you to speed.  I doubt it’ll do anything useful for traffic safety, but will generate tons of fines.  Alternatively we could implement road diets to cause people to actually slow down, but that costs money instead of generating it.  So we wind up with a regressive tax and no better traffic safety.

    • my two cents June 20, 2023 (11:59 am)

      The racing and high velocity speeding is going to be done by people in stolen cars or with license plates that can’t be read.”  And your source of reference and documentation for your assertion? or is this fear mongering?

      • WS Res June 21, 2023 (12:11 pm)

        It’s amazing what some people can perceive just from a quick glance at other people and cars. Elsewhere someone asserts that every accident they’ve seen, the person at fault has been impaired by fentanyl or alcohol. I imagine the police wish they had such capabilities!

  • Liz June 20, 2023 (11:24 am)

    If the cameras are for racing then the speed needs to be set accordingly.  30 35 40 mph isn’t racing.  There are speeders every where. This is for racing. don’t use as speeding cameras. Use for racing!

  • Bee June 20, 2023 (11:39 am)

    Why does everything have to be so weird and extreme here?  Installing several speed bumps around has to be considerably less expensive and more effective than nanny cams? then you can take down half of the weird signs and bendy guardrails that look as ridiculous as they work.

  • snowskier June 20, 2023 (11:56 am)

    I wish SDOT would review their decision to drop the limits to 25 almost everywhere after decades of 30mph limits for which the streets we designed.  Same for the drop on WMW, put it back to 40 as it was intended to be used.  Maybe then cameras that were triggered to issue tickets for 10mph over would make sense to catch and dissuade racers.

  • J June 20, 2023 (12:12 pm)

    Purely for the city to get more money in their pockets… 30mph on WMW is egregiously slow and will negatively effect every day people. I drive that road almost every day and everybody does over 30mph…even the cops. It won’t stop the racing one bit and even if cops were present it may deter it a little bit, but they can’t pursue the racers anyway so… Let the drug users and homeless do whatever they want, wherever they want but put speed cameras up to issue tickets to everyone doing over an already really low speed limit. Just Seattle doing Seattle things once again! 

  • Jerry June 20, 2023 (12:35 pm)

    Ridiculous overstep by Ms Herbold and her “Revenue Raising.”She found a loop hole to go around the very well known wishes and resulting legislation about “speed camera’s.”So now they are pandering the wealthy elite who are slowly eroding our rights to use the park (the same park that predates their million dollar condos),  and make it there private playground. Speed Camera’s do not change behavior, they only raise revenue. Pay attention people: they have already limited our access to fire rings, being at the public beach after 9:30PM, they want to eliminate vertical parking on the turn, and one of those clowns (Alki Community Blah Blah) is proposing to make parking illegal anywhere at the beach (on a public street) before 6 AM. Parks open at 4AM now. This is some hardcore elitist over-reaching. I have committed to riding my motorcycle up and down Alki/Harbor avenue every evening and revving my engine in protest. Enjoy!

  • Jeff June 20, 2023 (12:41 pm)

    You are all getting hoodwinked by the CC thinking this is for racing and not $$$. This just hurts regular folks more.

    • Jim June 20, 2023 (2:47 pm)

      Glad I’m not the only one who sees it for what it is

  • Runner June 20, 2023 (1:42 pm)

    I’m all for it, something has to be done. I would expect those of us that obey the speed limits and don’t want tickets will be extra cautious and slow down as needed. That in turn will slow others down and may make it a less desirable place to cruise if you can’t go fast because of the other legal traffic. 

    • Marley June 20, 2023 (7:50 pm)

      Or you’ll get hit and the speed differential will kill you because a 70 into an essentially stopped 25mph car, your car, is going to be extremely catastrophic.

    • Bronson June 21, 2023 (11:46 am)

      Why the invasion of cameras when installing more speed bumps would do the job? Because the city wants $$$. That is all this is about. 

  • Admiral-2009 June 20, 2023 (1:56 pm)

    The City arbitrarily lowered speed limits to limits that are not technically credible, aka science.  This is particularly evident on Principal Arterials like WMW that was posted at 40 mph for years that was a credible.  The 85th percentile speed is 45 to 50 mph, from SDoT data I have seen.  The 85th percentile speed is a critical factor when setting speed limits.  The 40 mph limit is the appropriate limit for the corridor!

    • WestSeattleBadTakes June 20, 2023 (2:01 pm)

      You think the 85th percentile is science, this explains a lot.

  • Vi June 20, 2023 (2:21 pm)

    Worth doing even if it doesn’t solve the problem 100%, especially given SPD staffing shortage. Needs to be paired with harsher penalties for missing and obscured plates. Ideally revenue would be used for traffic calming infrastructure. 

  • TA June 20, 2023 (2:24 pm)

    I am glad that something is being done

  • Scubafrog June 20, 2023 (4:30 pm)

    I don’t think we’re going to get more police for some time.  The best we’re going to get is cameras for now.  Until we have politicians who’re committed to public safety, to lessening crime, and the safety of our law enforcement, I think we need to take what we can get.

    • Jeff June 20, 2023 (5:30 pm)

      All we have now are the “tough on crime” politicians and it’s not working. We need progressives back! Davison and Harrell and Nelson got to go!

      • Canton June 20, 2023 (11:38 pm)

        So more of the same ideologists, will fix the current problem? Sleeping isn’t fixing…

  • WS Res June 20, 2023 (4:54 pm)

    Alki Residents:  Police our neighborhood!City:  [installs automated policing, catches some Alki Residents]Alki Residents:  Not like thatCity:  Who did you want us to police then?Alki Residents:  Oh… you know….

    • John June 20, 2023 (9:27 pm)

      What people are asking for is actual police patrols to enforce the law. How many drive by shootings do we have in West Seattle that are unsolved? Police come and take photos of the scene with casings and that’s the last we hear of it. Same with racing, anyone coming to Alki to race will cover, or entirely remove their plates with no consequence.These problems won’t go down until we bridge the Seattle Police hiring gap. 

      • Scubafrog June 21, 2023 (10:43 am)

        I agree John.  So many open homicide cases.  Starting with cold case Gregette Guy, she sure isn’t forgotten.  Nor is the young woman who was found on the side of the highway.  Or the young man shot to death in a parking lot in an suv, or Ka’Don Brown, and many others.  This city has got to get aggressive on police hiring.  Every facet of anti-crime will benefit by more police hires in our city – and subsequently their ability to uphold the law (if the city council allows them) with a full staff, including traffic laws.

  • Marley June 20, 2023 (5:33 pm)

    I think we should take away the drivers licenses of anyone who can’t safely navigate a highway at 60mph. Driving isn’t a right, and if you’re not capable you shouldn’t be on the road. Reducing the speeds in the city simply creates a dynamic where some go fast and others go the speed limit. High speed differentials between vehicles are more dangerous than any specific speed. I guarantee someone going 25 on west marginal way is simply going to be rear ended by someone else who still drives 70.20 is simply not plenty, not by a long shot. Every man hour wasted in traffic adds up, waste enough man hours and you’ve wasted what amounts to a lifetime, essentially killed someone.All the wreckers I’ve seen were high on fentanyl, drunk, or both. These cameras are transparently a move to generate revenue by setting absurdly low limits and ticketing off that. Will the cameras stop a wrong way drunk truck driver going 100mph? No. All they will do is send tickets automatically to law abiding people. 

  • Norene June 20, 2023 (6:06 pm)

       Finally! Those living on Alki have been subjected to unbelievable noise, terrifying attemptsto cross the street, and cars and motorcycles that literally scream and pop noises.  Those  drivershave little or no concern for others.

  • S - In West Seattle June 21, 2023 (7:31 am)

    They will just race between the cameras. You would have to have them all the way down Alki.  

  • Kalo June 21, 2023 (8:19 am)

    Racers will do like folks did when the lower Spokane St Bridge was restricted – put face masks over their license plates to avoid identification by cameras.Also, with the prevalence of road rage being exhibited lately, I agree 5-10 miles over the speed limit is not unreasonable. Set the cameras to trigger at 15mph over the posted speed. Go with the flow – safely! 

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