RapidRide updates from Fauntleroy Community Association, Metro

For the second consecutive week, West Seattle’s future RapidRide bus service resurfaced at a local community-group meeting. Last week, WSB’ers had a lot to say following our report on the Southwest District Council discussing a request to reopen the issue of its Triangle route. Today, a two-part update: First, the Fauntleroy Community Association got an update Tuesday night on how RR will travel through Fauntleroy. FCA is hoping to book a Metro rep for its March 23 all-membership meeting so that residents can take questions directly to the source.

Meantime, Susan Lantz-Day reported to the FCA board that Metro is still working on where RR will stop in relation to the ferry dock when it officially revs up in fall 2012, and addressing disability-access issues. The service, she says, will not lead to the addition of traffic lights in the area; a uniformed officer will still be on hand to direct traffic. The stops will use curb bulbs. FCA board members remain concerned about the east side of Fauntleroy, across from the dock, where the current bus shelter sits atop an access-challenged, taller-then-normal curb. Board president Bruce Butterfield said it’ll be vital for them to reiterate these concerns to the Metro at next month’s gathering (watch fauntleroy.net for more details). Now, part 2: We talked with Metro deputy general manager Victor Obeso re: some of the questions raised after last week’s RapidRide report – read on for our summary of that conversation:

For one, Obeso (county photo at left) re-confirmed the RapidRide branding is not going into use until 2012 – some reports about the recent finalization of federal funding had confused that point. They’re increasing service sooner (including what was added this week), and probably will have more service increases later this year, but Obeso says those decisions are being made based on information from the state regarding progress of the Alaskan Way Viaduct construction work – since the added service is being paid for with state-supplied “mitigation” money, which is available through mid-2013.

Our conversation preceded the Fauntleroy meeting, but he brought up the northbound bus shelter that FCA is concerned about, saying, “That project is being worked on this year” – while other RapidRide stops/stations work won’t get under way till next year, looking ahead to the 2012 launch. A few “preview stations” may actually be up and running, with ORCA card readers, in 2011 – he mentioned 35th and Fauntleroy, in particular.

We asked Obeso a question that came up in comments after last week’s story – what about transit lanes? He said a few short segments of the overall route may have them, but in Metro’s research, they did not save significant time, so they are not a focus. Along California SW, for example, they’re still planning curb bulbs, so that street parking won’t be lost.

Regarding how the RapidRide route – which at its heart replaces the 54 – works with other routes, he said that about a year prior to the service launch – in other words, around fall of next year – “we’ll be back out (asking the community) ‘so how do we take this combination of routes and blend it with RapidRide’ – which routes will be more local, which will keep going downtown.”

As for taking another look at the Triangle route (above), as the Southwest District Council discussed last week – he says “it would be a huge issue for us to go back to the drawing board on,” but, “we’re more than happy to sit down with (community advocates), more than willing to look at the other factors” that have been mentioned. Still, he noted, “we have progressed significantly with the city on design” of facilities for the already-approved route, which was passed as a county ordinance.

Last question we asked – how about that possible future Delridge RapidRide route?

“Delridge is on a list of possible future projects,” Obeso replied, adding, “We need to stabilize our funding before we can plan for significant growth in the future. Whether there are new funding sources or partnerships with the state … Delridge and the 120 route are ‘high-performing'” and therefore on Metro’s radar.

And what about a bus running from Delridge to The Junction, as proposed – then discarded – last year? “We might talk about that when we revisit (routes, next year) – we might redirect resources.”

10 Replies to "RapidRide updates from Fauntleroy Community Association, Metro"

  • old timer February 11, 2010 (2:02 pm)

    ““we’re more than happy to sit down with (community advocates), more than willing to look at the other factors” that have been mentioned. Still, he noted, “we have progressed significantly with the city on design” of facilities for the already-approved route, which was passed as a county ordinance.”
    .
    In other words, the cake is in the oven.
    When it comes out, you might get to pick the icing, but that’s all.
    They cast it in law for cry-yi.

  • elevated concern February 11, 2010 (2:14 pm)

    I live close to the Triangle. I want the choice of taking the 54 downtown via Avalon BUT I want a Rapid Ride option that goes over the bridge without duplicating existing route. If I must get to work on time I’ll walk the extra 3 blocks to make it happen. Considering the past three weeks have been standing room only once it reaches the Triangle I can just imagine the crush of people when Link opens. Give us options; add more 54 and 55 busses now and Rapid Ride that’s RAPID.

  • Al February 11, 2010 (3:24 pm)

    I like this quote, “We asked Obeso a question that came up in comments after last week’s story – what about transit lanes? He said a few short segments of the overall route may have them, but in Metro’s research, they did not save significant time, so they are not a focus. Along California SW (the route that the Southwest District Council discussed last week), for example, they’re still planning curb bulbs, so that street parking won’t be lost.”
    ***************
    The “short segments” are the exact problem! Of course a few short segments will get backed up. Give transit riders a whole long transit lane like the north part of town is getting, i.e. 15th and Aurora, and it may just work. What do curb bulbs have to do with transit only lanes? I don’t think West Seattlelites think a transit only lane will happen on California or Fauntleroy but why not along the length of the *new* lanes leading up to the proposed tunnel or new street grid?

  • Happy Commuter February 11, 2010 (4:05 pm)

    Curb Bulbs are so the bus does not need to pull out of traffic. So if you are behind a Rapid Ride Bus you will be behind it till your destination since the only four lane roads in West Seattle are half of Delridge and Admiral and I-35 outside of the junction. Also remember that another Rapid Ride will be ten minutes behind!!

  • d February 11, 2010 (4:31 pm)

    geesh, I can be so dense.

    I just now understand how “rapid” fits into the concept here. It has NOTHING to do with the vehicles themselves traveling rapidly, cleanly and efficiently through traffic, regardless of lane configuration. Rapid refers to the quick sequencing of arrivals/departures of buses. Am I getting this right?

    Hmmm.

    So, yeah, perhaps WS should be talking about Light Rail instead.

    Seriously, has anything official, or otherwise, come from Mayor McGinn or whatever transportation people are on board with him. Have I been missing the big discussion the movers and shakers have been having on this? ;)

    Maybe McGinn has it up his sleeve to annex WC and environs, set up Light Rail from Tukwila right up 1st Ave. So., or through the heart of WC and Delridge??? It’s a mystery to be discussed, whether elevated or surface, well-travelled paths of least resistance (think Rainier station). A sky train at Pidgeon Point to downtown :)!!!!

    If WC annexes, then what constitutes WS will change, perhaps. And then he will have kept his campaign promises.

    Lame peanut-gallery theories… I know; but, you heard it here first.

  • elevated concern February 11, 2010 (8:18 pm)

    Happy Commuter, you forgot the busiest intersection in West Seattle, the four lanes leading into and out of West Seattle, THE FAUNTLEROY GATEWAY.

  • Brent February 13, 2010 (1:52 am)

    It’s refreshing to see transit discussed in West Seattle in terms other than how to get it out of the way of cars.

    I agree: if it is in the general-traffic lane, it isn’t rapid. Real bus rapid transit requires a bus lane. If that isn’t being considered, then we are not getting what we voted for.

    Give rapid ride its own lane, and a lot more people will ride it.

  • MarcusM February 13, 2010 (8:25 am)

    I understand that people in Fauntleroy want their own express bus along Fauntleroy Way SW directly to their neighborhood. Don’t we all. Please know that other neighborhoods need a stop along 35th, and our buses are crowded too. It would be ridiculous for King County to open-up the debate about the rapid ride route now. The route decision was a long, drawn-out process with a lot of community involvement from all over West Seattle.

    • WSB February 13, 2010 (8:29 am)

      To be clear, Fauntleroy didn’t propose changing any section of the route – that came up at the Southwest District Council. Fauntleroy’s discussion focused on the stops that are going to be near the ferry dock. As per the map in the story, the route that’s currently set already goes through Fauntleroy, along the current path of the 54.

  • Brent February 13, 2010 (7:44 pm)

    I don’t care a whole lot about the routing. I just think that, from the get-go, the city/county should have set a rule that if a neighborhood wasn’t willing to give up a lane of traffic on a street to buses, then that street would not get a rapid ride stop.

    I hope the millions spent on this re-branding exercise don’t result in re-branded buses stuck in traffic.

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