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October 29, 2014 at 4:04 pm #815158
waynsterParticipantI have to add some humor in this…..lol
October 29, 2014 at 4:51 pm #815159
VBDParticipantSo HMC, are you saying Philadelphia and Detroit would be better off with fewer government services? Reduce education, police, and infrastructure programs? Maybe reduce restrictions on gun purchases too, right? Can you explain how that would really help?
I have no argument against that fact that there is lousy decision making and wasteful spending on both political sides.
October 29, 2014 at 5:12 pm #815160
JoBParticipantOctober 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm #815161
JanSParticipantLet’s see….Pennsylvania…Gov. Tom Corbett (R)……enough said..:(
October 31, 2014 at 10:43 am #815162
HMC RichParticipantWell VBD, Who has been in charge of those cities? Who do the voters vote for over and over? Can’t say they have flourished. In fact I found this link very interesting from Chicagoland. http://rebelpundit.com/chicago-activists-unchained-destroy-black-liberal-leadership/
Romney even tried to campaign there (Philly) and you would have thought he was an alien from outer space. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2013/11/27/philadelphia-economy-ranks-dismal-89th.html
And Detroit… A study in how to ruin a city. And you can’t blame Republicans for that disaster.
October 31, 2014 at 1:26 pm #815163
JoBParticipanti don’t know how to tell you this Rich..
since i now you are reading all those right wing blogs that slide right past the loss of jobs on their way to blaming liberals…
but the communities you site all rocked and rolled before Republican policies made it cost effective for companies to park their factories and their profits on foreign soil.
do you think it’s possible that massive job loss had something to do with what has happened to American cities founded on industrialism?
October 31, 2014 at 4:03 pm #815164
VBDParticipant+1 to JoB’s comment.
I agree that the current democratic leadership has failed to turn things around. My question was regarding whether GOP leadership would have done any better. I don’t think they could have. And, given that republican policies tend to benefit the wealthy more than the poor, it’s likely things would be worse.
October 31, 2014 at 5:54 pm #815165
wakefloodParticipantTurning things around would have required two simple but scary things.
One: Harry Reid using the nuclear option to break filibusters. Which would have put lots of pressure on the House to shoot down legislation that would have made the GOP look ridiculouser.
Two: The Blue Dogs would have had to be held to the standard of being with us or against us. Exposed or sheltered, take your pick.
Austerity and making the rich pay their fair share would/could have been significantly different.
This would have worked back when Wall St was partially cow towed in 2009-2011. But they got their swagger back and are invincible again.
October 31, 2014 at 9:26 pm #815166
JoBParticipantwake..
you have hit the nail on the head
that is definitely what the dems are responsible for..
November 1, 2014 at 1:04 am #815167
JanSParticipantEveryone please refer to Reading, PA, about 60 miles NW of Philly. Once a thriving industrial, manufacturing city…and now? HA!… Once the home of the Luden’s factory, maker of candy, and Luden’s cough drops), once the home Etienne Aigner Leather Goods, Continental Can Company, and many others. Now it’s considered just about the poorest city in the US, and the most crime ridden. Why? The manufacturing went away, as did the railroad (Monopoly’s famous Reading RR..rode it many times). And a strong, strong Republican city, lead by incompetents who have been investigated and indicted for fraud, for kickbacks, and G-d knows what else. I know, I grew up there. I left when I was 18 and never lived there again. My folks lived there until they passed away last year, afraid to go outside after 4pm. All the grocery stores pulled out to the suburbs, as did shopping. And the downtown died. And after 2008, well, it just suffered.Poorest city in the US, 49% under the poverty line, and 8.5% unemployment.
It was a beautiful city..has an amazing amount of history..very sad to see the decline….
would GOP leadership have done any better? Look at this city, governed by Repubs forever and a day. I say no, period.
I so remember the beautiful train station, always fascinated with the huge replica under glass, of an old locomotive. Gone, I don’t know where. And the building is falling apart, boarded up :)
November 1, 2014 at 1:34 am #815168
JanSParticipantoh, and…for single mothers in Reading, PA? 66% live below the poverty line…under $19,000 for a family of 3.
We have to do better…
November 1, 2014 at 11:51 pm #815169
HMC RichParticipantNo JoB. I disagree with you. Democrats were in charge of those cities. Year in and year out. If you say it was not their fault then it must have been the Federal Governments fault. But neither Republicans have not been in charge the whole time Federally either. It has been about even really. Whether Executive and or Congressional. Each level of government needs to take responsibility. Unions and businesses and their greed need to take responsibility. You guys blame Reagan. I blame Johnson. But really I blame both Executive and Legislative branches. Both have to be responsible. But nobody wants to give up anything. Now we have 17 Trillion in debt and the Wall Street Money Machine got off scott free when it crashed.
So maybe Wake is correct about an Oligarchy. I don’t want professional politicians and our ruling class. I want term limits. I don’t like Reid, McConnell, Pelosi or Boehner. I want term limits. I like our reps being home before this election. They are not back there making bad laws. They pass laws for us but won’t live under those laws. They are the elite. I dislike them more than any non-politician.
JanS, without me looking more thoroughly into your post and taking your word for it, you have brought up a good point. Bad government and bad business do not mix. I am not going to say all Republican led communities are thriving. I see all kinds of cities changing. Some for the better, some for the worse.
Seattle once had a very horrible waterfront and downtown. It was dangerous. But it improved. How did it do so? First time I visited this city I was attacked by Seattle Center in broad daylight. I feel relatively safe now in that place. Seattle’s Rejuvenation was just starting then. Anyone care to chime in on that?
November 2, 2014 at 1:22 am #815170
JanSParticipantNovember 2, 2014 at 3:00 am #815171
JanSParticipantRich, to be fair. It’s not always been the Repubs. When I was a teenager the mayor was a man named John C. Kubacki (D), and his cronies Abe Minker and J. Bonanno, of “mafia” fame. Indicted and convicted of shaking down some people. I played with his kids when I was a kid. Son grew up to become a doc, indicted for falsely charging Medicare to the tune of 3Mil. Yeah, some fine guys. The mayor now, Vaughn Spencer (D) was a high school buddy of mine, a great guy, now being investigated for campaign contribution irregularities. So it’s not always been Repubs, but until he came along, it was for quite some time. He actually has helped the city some. It’s sad to think that he isn’t totally honest and above board. There are bad ones on both sides. It’s shouldn’t be “them” vs.”us” thing…we need to weed out all the bad ones…it’s not a competition
November 2, 2014 at 4:56 am #815172
JoBParticipantRich.
without jobs.. city government has little revenue to work with..
especially when the governor replaces them with a city manager..
who i am pretty sure is not a democrat
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