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June 11, 2014 at 5:16 pm #611646
wakefloodParticipantWell, it’s obvious that nothing even approaching real legislation will come out of the House until the next election – if then. The GOP is in a fight for its…soul? (Do they have one?)
Obama should use EVERY tool at his disposal – most of which were either put in place by or used extensively by the Shrub Jr. administration to bypass Congress.
Signing Statements. Recess appointments. Pardons. Policy statements (like EPA) from Cabinet level departments.
If 15% or even 50% get nullified it’s the only avenue for change available. Would the other side hesitate for a second?? Of course not. Turdblossom would think these techniques passe’ compared to the outright shenanigans they employ on a regular basis.
Do it now and do it RE-LENT-LESS-LY until inauguration day, 2017.
The right left an opening. They would drive an army of trucks through it – and they did when it was given to them. Obama and the progressives should fuel up the fleet and unapologetically do the same.
Let them cry and wail and scream “unfair!!”. Obama should cup his ear to them mouthing “What?? I can’t hear you over the din.”, and send another truck through the gap…
June 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm #809446
skeeterParticipantYesterday was bad for Obama. Bad for the country. Bad for the Republican Party.
Most deals have winners and losers. But I only see losers from where I’m sitting.
June 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm #809447
wakefloodParticipantElaborate, please, skeets?
June 11, 2014 at 6:08 pm #809448
skeeterParticipantThe Tea Party offers nothing valuable to the country. They are the worst hypocrites. They love federal spending (especially in their districts) but don’t want to pay for it. I thought they were on the decline. Turns out they have a “message” that is far more appealing than I thought (and certainly more appealing than Eric Cantor thought.) This is a huge setback for any progress. This country absolutely needs progress on tax reform, energy policy, immigration reform, and gun control. The rise of the Tea Party hurts any chance of progress on any of these issues.
June 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm #809449
wakefloodParticipantWell, I don’t disagree but I certainly don’t know that it would have been much different had Cantor won?
Maybe you get immigration reform back on the table but that didn’t sound likely even with Cantor.
The only potential this has for actual change (and it would take at least a year for this to transpire) would be for the Tea Party to do an official splinter and declare itself unaligned with the GOP and attempt to run an official 3rd party platform (including Presidential).
That would be their death knell as their primary donors and functional lifeline of the Koch’s would have to choose relevancy over insurgency and cut off the tap.
But who knows how that’ll play out. Certainly the short term is a clusterf*ck.
June 11, 2014 at 7:32 pm #809450
miwsParticipantJune 11, 2014 at 9:22 pm #809451
JanSParticipantDavid Brat is one scary dude. And he’s an idiot, plain and simple…
June 11, 2014 at 10:23 pm #809452
rwParticipantDon’t forget that this is the Republican primary. One report I heard said that overall turnout was light, but that the Tea Party turnout was disproportionate. So can Brat secure the vote of mainstream Republicans in the fall election? Or does this give Democrats an unexpected opportunity to win this seat?
June 11, 2014 at 10:29 pm #809453
JanSParticipantrw…history says this is the most conservative district in the state of VA, and that no Dem. stands a chance, ever. But , then, no one expected this guy, Brat, to win, either…
June 11, 2014 at 10:49 pm #809454
wakefloodParticipantGerrymandering by the right has pretty much secured every advantage possible in the House districts.
They’ve made that a priority in every state where they could get or manufacture the leverage.
In most districts, they could run a broken laptop against the Dem and win.
June 12, 2014 at 12:34 am #809455
SmittyParticipant“In most districts, they could run a broken laptop against the Dem and win.”
A broken laptop probably has a better chance than “none of the above”. Yikes:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/11/nevada-votes-for-none-of-the-above/
June 12, 2014 at 12:42 am #809456
JanSParticipantmore speculation as to why he lost…(partly because the man has an ego that won’t quit?)
June 12, 2014 at 7:35 pm #809457
JanSParticipantsometimes ya gotta laugh to keep from crying:
Speaker Boehner’s weekly news conference on Thursday morning:
When House Speaker John Boehner was asked on Thursday morning about Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s primary defeat, he should have stopped his answer at this:
“I’ll let the political pundits describe and figure out what happened in that election. Every election is different.”
Instead, he decided to elaborate:
“You have to understand, the American people are being squeezed by Obama’s policies. The economy is not growing. Incomes aren’t growing. We’re not creating enough jobs. And two-thirds of America have seen no increase in their wages but their food prices are going up, their gas prices are going up, and their health insurance prices are going up. And so there’s a lot of frustration that’s out there, and they look to Washington, and wonder why we can’t resolve these issues. And they’re hard to resolve when you’ve got a president who won’t engage.”
So yeah, Eric Cantor lost his primary because President Obama sucks.
Daily Kos
” To John Boehner, “engage” means “do things our way.”
June 12, 2014 at 7:41 pm #809458
wakefloodParticipantYup. And the biggest thing that doesn’t get mentioned often enough is that we’ve been following the right’s economic policies for 30+ yrs, regardless of who’s in the Oval Office and THAT’S why we’re where we are.
Their sh*t plainly don’t work (unless you’re in the investor class and you don’t work anyway).
I just wish every reporter would remind them of that every time crap like that falls from his trembling lips.
June 12, 2014 at 8:13 pm #809459
skeeterParticipant“Their sh*t plainly don’t work (unless you’re in the investor class and you don’t work anyway).”
Investors don’t work? I’m an investor. So is everyone else with a 401k. And I assure you I work. As soon as I finish my peanut butter sandwich I’m getting back to the grind.
June 12, 2014 at 8:24 pm #809460
wakefloodParticipantInvestor CLASS, skeets. You know, the folks that live off the income of their investments?? That’s not you and me and you know it.
Well, unless you paid 15% Fed Taxes on your carried interest income? In which case, kudos my friend, I’ll assume you’re working simply because you like taking your PBJ breaks. ;-)
June 12, 2014 at 8:43 pm #809461
skeeterParticipantI got confused. I’m an investor. And countless folks have called me a class act.
June 12, 2014 at 8:46 pm #809462
wakefloodParticipantWell, NOW I get it. Investor Class Act.
I should have known, what with the PB sandwich. Easy tell.
June 12, 2014 at 8:51 pm #809463
JanSParticipantSkeets, what flavor jam?
June 12, 2014 at 10:13 pm #809464
skeeterParticipantIt’s that Costco boysenberry jam. Good stuff and the price is certainly right.
June 12, 2014 at 11:01 pm #809465
JanSParticipantyum
June 13, 2014 at 12:35 am #809466
wakefloodParticipantI’ve been known to use that stuff to make tasty boysenberry shakes. I’ve been told it’s low cal health food.
June 13, 2014 at 3:25 am #809467
JanSParticipantyeah, sure it is, wake – wink, wink..
June 13, 2014 at 10:43 pm #809468
waynsterParticipantNow figure out who is who between the party’s here lmao……
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