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October 24, 2008 at 6:37 pm #588483
JenVMembereven making up an attack. despicable.
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html
October 24, 2008 at 6:45 pm #644753
JenVMemberan update – not that I like quoting Faux News, but here goes:
“Fox News VP John Moody set up the left’s talking points for them perfectly last night: “If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.”
October 24, 2008 at 7:35 pm #644754
JeffroMemberTo make a big deal out of this story being a hoax is just as ridiculous as the people who made a big deal of it when they thought it was real. The people who should be feeling pretty stupid right now are the girl who concocted the story, drudge for exploiting it, and the media organizations who ran the story without doing basic fact-checking. McCain didn’t tell his minions to go create this incident, just like Obama didn’t tell hackers to break into Sarah Palin’s yahoo account. Don’t hold McCain to this unless you’re ready to defend the next crazy who does something in Obama’s name.
October 24, 2008 at 7:55 pm #644755
acemotelParticipantMcCain and Palin are getting tiresome. Their voices are annoying; their speeches embarrassing. I can’t wait till it’s over and we can move past this most shameful period of American politics. The campaign is not directly responsible for this, but campaign tactics bring out the worst.
October 24, 2008 at 8:27 pm #644756
RainyDay1235MemberA gree with you Jeffro. I am an Obama supporter, but this doozy is not McCain’s fault. No more than the bear cub killing. I think his campaign will suffer since they jumped on the wagon a bit early to call the woman personally – especially since the police could not substantiate her story from the start.
But worse yet she used the “black man” card in addition to the political one she concocted. And many people will only have heard the first report.
October 24, 2008 at 8:38 pm #644757
RainyDay1235MemberAnd please tell me the photo they are showing is flipped and she does not have a backwards “B” on her face? I’m imagining her doing this to herself in the mirror. So sad. Funny, but sad.
October 24, 2008 at 8:40 pm #644758
WSratsinacageMemberDon’t forget, it goes both ways. Everyone thinks Al Sharpton is so great but there was the whole Tawana Brawley thing that she faked and some say he knew about. This is even more disgusting than the Ashley Todd incident.
October 24, 2008 at 8:56 pm #644759
GenHillOneParticipantNo, I can’t blame McCain direcly, but yes, RainyDay, msnbc just reported that the B was on her face backwards…
October 24, 2008 at 9:52 pm #644760
JenVMemberI wouldn’t blame McCain directly if she were just a supporter…but she works on his campaign. That makes it so much more suspect.
October 24, 2008 at 10:04 pm #644761
WSMomParticipantI think Drudge should feel particularly red in the face.
October 24, 2008 at 10:10 pm #644762
JenVMemberdrudge has no shame
October 24, 2008 at 10:26 pm #644763
RainyDay1235MemberBizarre. The report I read did not have that much info. She is not a paid campaign worker though, I think that would be much worse. Just mentally unstable.
“She is stating that she was in her vehicle driving around, and she came up with this idea,” she said. “She said she has prior mental problems and doesn’t know how the backward letter ‘B’ got on her face.”
Speaking of mentally unstable, Now Joe the Plumber who ‘hates all the media spotlight’ is contemplating a run for congress. Ugh.
Excuse me while I head over to the CNN electoral map and bask in its glow…
October 24, 2008 at 10:31 pm #644764
KenParticipantPaid campaign workers pushed and embellished the tale.
John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain’s Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, “You’re with the McCain campaign? I’m going to teach you a lesson.”
Verrilli also told TPM that the McCain spokesperson had claimed that the “B” stood for Barack.
After complaints from the Obama campaign:
…KDKA went back to McCain’s Pennsylvania spokesperson, Feldman, and asked if he stood by the story as he’d earlier told it, but he started backing off the story, a source familiar with the talks says. That prompted KDKA to remove the grafs.
Feldman couldn’t immediately be reached, and a McCain HQ spokesperson declined to comment.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php
October 25, 2008 at 1:33 am #644765
CountingCoupMemberAmazing, the more details that appear out of this story, the more it lays out a campaign strategy that was fully engaged with playing a race card.
McCain himself may not be at fault.
But you can easily make the case that indirectly he is running an out of control and undisciplined campaign willing to use the race card given any opportunity.
October 25, 2008 at 2:51 am #644766
JoBParticipantWhen yo create a racist environment, you can expect unstable people to do things like this poor woman has done.
it’s really very sad.. and so unnecessary.
October 25, 2008 at 3:08 am #644767
bcollinsMemberWhen you call people anti-american because they disagree with you…
When you hold rallies where they rant about a persons middle name being Hussein as if it’s a bad thing…
When you call Bill Ayers a terrorist (I think he is), but defend G Gordon Liddy (your friend)…
You open yourself up to being blamed for promoting false race baiting attacks. You can’t have it both ways. Oh yes…when called out in a major media interviews you distance yourself from these situations. BUT it’s too late. It’s not genuine. You are to blame.
October 25, 2008 at 3:24 am #644768
CountingCoupMemberExactly Job & bcollins,
I’m not sure if you remember how the republicans used the Willie Horton situation in there ads in the 1st Bush election against Dukakis (1988), but the tactics of using these racial angles for political purposes bring out the worst in politics and people IMO…
October 25, 2008 at 9:42 am #644769
AnonymousInactiveCC – First of all, I’m assuming you meant “their” instead of “there”. You wanted to relay possession, right?
Second of all, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? How is the story of Willie Horton, in any way, racially angled? Please explain.
As far as my history education has served me, Dukakis was the biggest proponent of weekend furlough programs which put a convicted murderer (and extremely dangerous criminal) back on the streets. Horton, on his extended weekend furlough, went on to rape a woman twice, pistol whip, knife and gag a man AND steal an automobile.
Horton is black, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the despicable things he did. How, exactly, is that “racially angled”?
October 25, 2008 at 12:29 pm #644770
ZenguyParticipantNR, thanks for the English lesson. I will make sure to point out your next mistake in posting! If Dukakis was a weekend furlong proponent as you suggest, why pick Willie Horton? Why not Joe Smith?
October 25, 2008 at 3:13 pm #644771
CountingCoupMemberNR,
You apparently have no clue to how Willie Horton was used in the Republican tactics of advertisement. I guess you just don’t get that type of information from simply scanning wikipedia.
According to your party, Willie Horton was used as “the scary black man” that a Michael Dukakis presidency would have allowed in your neighborhood, your streets, stalking your wife.
He was used in the majority of Republican commercials throughout America’s south as an iconic figure to show how scary a democratic president would be for the country.
Go back and do your google search and you might find the relevancy, or talk to someone who experienced and understood the tactics used in the 88 election, and the “Southern Strategy”.
If the fact that your party who has used and continues to use racially motivated scare tactics doesn’t in anyway give you concern, or that the whole scenario or race baiting is something you don’t or can’t understand, then we really don’t have much to discuss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4V4nb6OTG0
BTW keep up the grammer lessons on my posts, I can’t say that I would return the favor, that would imply in some way I would be reading all of your posts. But who knows, it could be a long dreary boring winter…
October 26, 2008 at 12:06 am #644772
AnonymousInactiveCC – That “scary Democratic President (candidate)” to this day has never acknowledged the flaws in that program or apologized to the family that suffered at the hands of Willie Horton.
That’s leadership our country is better off without, imo.
Why “pick” a black man? Hmmm…. maybe because that is the man who actually committed the crimes when he was on furlough from being a convicted murderer. Were there other crimes committed by other convicts that were on furlough? If so, wouldn’t that only prove the argument that is was a ridiculous, irresponsible program to begin with?
October 26, 2008 at 12:07 am #644773
AnonymousInactiveBtw, CC, I would take a guess that if that same man (Horton) came into your home, gagged you, tied you up and forced you to watch while he raped your girlfriend/wife (twice), you would consider him pretty scary.
Just a guess.
October 26, 2008 at 12:11 am #644774
JoBParticipantclueless in seattle
October 26, 2008 at 12:13 am #644775
ZenguyParticipantI do not doubt that Willie Horton did what he did. However, I do think he was picked because he was black and that he would elicite a response from narrow minded people.
October 26, 2008 at 12:13 am #644776
CaitParticipantNot any scarier than a white man that would do this, mind you. And I think that was the point.
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