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January 2, 2009 at 7:19 pm #589310
mellaw6565MemberCops are running it this a.m. on the hill – beware!
January 2, 2009 at 7:35 pm #652947
JayDeeParticipantThe east hill or west?
January 2, 2009 at 7:36 pm #652948
mellaw6565MemberEast hill – the one with the 30 mph red flagged signs going to the W. Seattle Bridge
January 2, 2009 at 7:41 pm #652949
HuindekmiParticipantThey never run the speed trap on the west side of the hill, where there are lots of residences, pedestrians, curves, etc. and where pedestrians have been killed in crosswalks.
They never even run speed traps at the top of the hill (from the overlook to California), where there are residences, businesses, a big sweeping corner, lots of traffic and frequent accidents between vehicles and either the median and/or sidewalks.
They only run the speed trap on the east side of the hill, where there are very few residences, almost no pedestrians, a long straight road with great visibility and an illogically low speed limit.
January 2, 2009 at 8:04 pm #652950
JoBParticipanti bet that’s because they catch more speeders there more easily with the least disruption to traffic.. not to mention doing it safely…
what goes up must come down:))))
so my guess is that those they catch speeding downhill are equally abusive of the speed limit going up… and the end net effect of the speed trap is positive for all concerned…
unless. of course.. you were speeding and got caught.
January 2, 2009 at 8:22 pm #652951
IrukandjiParticipantHuindekmi, I agree that more patrol is needed all along Admiral, but as a resident that lives a block off of Admiral around the viewpoint I can tell you about a heap of accidents, a motorcycle death and repeated property damage along Admiral as a result of speeders.
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Also, because people mistakenly think there are no pedestrians or residences they continue to speed. It’s a life threatening task to catch a bus across Admiral, and even worse to try to exit from the residential streets that intersect Admiral all along the east side of that hill and around the bend west of the viewpoint. Visibility is limited and it only takes one arse going 55 around that bend to make for a really bad day.
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I’ve asked the city repeatedly how many deaths there need to be along Admiral Way before we get serious speed control measures. I’ve never received an answer.
January 2, 2009 at 9:13 pm #652952
mellaw6565MemberThey were catching speeders going uphill, not downhill.
January 2, 2009 at 9:21 pm #652953
JoBParticipantit’s safer to catch and pull over speeders going downhill…
doing so uphill would only add to the safety hazards.
but maybe a speed monitoring clock would be a good idea if they haven’t already done so…
and maybe a sensor activated light at the top of the hill on the first cross street and/or a pedestrian activated light at the crosswalk.
January 2, 2009 at 10:29 pm #652954
BG39MemberI don’t care which way they pull over speeders, I’m just glad they are actually doing it.
January 2, 2009 at 11:22 pm #652955
hammerheadParticipantthanks so much for the info
January 3, 2009 at 1:56 am #652956
mellaw6565MemberI think the 30 mph going up & down that hill is ridiculously slow – I can see the change in speed at the lookout where residential streets add to the mix, but the hill really should be at least 35 to get up it and to avoid needing new brakes when you get down.
January 3, 2009 at 3:32 am #652957
IrukandjiParticipantMy guess is that they dropped it from 35 to 30 (about 18 months ago) with the hope of getting people down from 45+ to 40 mph. The few I’ve talked to who have received tickes have been going well over 45.
January 3, 2009 at 5:48 pm #652958Speeding drivers deserve tickets. The more the better. If you think they don’t, then try explaining to a 5 year old why one doesn’t have to obey the rules.
January 3, 2009 at 6:08 pm #652959
mellaw6565MemberOh please Same Old – like you never break any rules or laws. Get off your high horse!
Lruk – don’t fool yourself – they dropped the speed limit to line their coffers with more money; it’s an age old trick for city govt’s.
January 3, 2009 at 6:08 pm #652960
mellaw6565MemberOh please Same Old – like you never break any rules or laws. Get off your high horse!
Lruk – don’t fool yourself – they dropped the speed limit to line their coffers with more money; it’s an age old trick for city govt’s.
January 3, 2009 at 6:20 pm #652961
BG39Membermellaw, I don’t think Same Old said that they didn’t break rules. But as we know from your previous posts you do break rules, maybe that is why you are warning people about a speed trap. If you are speeding you get a ticket, if I’m speeding then I also deserve that ticket. Settle down and maybe go the speed limit and stop tailgating.
January 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm #652962mellaw6565, I don’t ride high-horses after getting clothes-lined on an apple tree branch by an out of control Shetland pony when I was a kid:-) I also do not speed. Ever. Don’t believe me, ask my family and friends. Witness enough carnage and one realizes it only takes a moment to alter ones life, forever and driving around speeding is a one-way trip to severe consequences.
All I ask of you is to explain to me why you or anyone else would think they should be allowed to disregard the posted speed limits? And if you do think that is appropriate then how would you justify or explain that behavior to a 5 year old or teenager just learning to drive?
January 3, 2009 at 6:55 pm #652963
mellaw6565MemberBG – I don’t know where you get your info – I’ve never said in any post that I speed. The tailgating reference you are taking out of context – it was in reference to people going to slow for the snowy conditions. Don’t twist my words or thoughts – it’s not appreciated.
Same Old – what does having been injured by a horse have to do with speed traps? And also, the discussion was about a speed limit being too low for the conditions and city govt’s wanting to build up their revenues. I never advocated speeding – I just hate hypocrites like you who think they are perfect and never break any rules – please!
January 3, 2009 at 7:04 pm #652964
mellaw6565MemberAnd for the record – I haven’t had a speeding ticket in more than 20 years. I just hate greedy city revenuers who can’t find more productive things for our police to do – like real police work!
January 3, 2009 at 8:22 pm #652965
austinMemberIf anything there should be a speed reader box connected to a license plate camera to ticket people rather than having an actual human cop chasing around otherwise law abiding citizens. I don’t see a problem with the taxation of overzealous or inattentive drivers but having a person doing a robot’s job does seem kind of resource heavy.
January 3, 2009 at 8:58 pm #652966
AnonymousInactiveI love when they set up speed traps on I-35. Uphill, downhill, sideways, it’s all good. In fact, I have thanked the motorcycle cops and I hope they keep it up. And they are not ticketing people going 5 over. More like 25 over. People are crazy and I see accidents regularly. Not to mention there were several pedestrian incidents with at least 3 fatalities this year (2 on 35th – 1 on Cali). Unacceptable. Your destination and agenda is just not that important.
January 3, 2009 at 10:53 pm #652967mellaw6565 – Reference to pony injury was connected to your ‘high horse’ comment. Trying to add a little levity to the discussion. Guess it is pointless. Oh well.
I will say that if you or anyone else thinks that SPD is putting excessive energy towards ticketing speeders than I suggest you look into how SPD actually allocates the majority of its force. It is not dedicated to writing tickets. And to think that any street has a speed limit reduced or set to be a revenue stream begs credulity. Plenty of the SPD Traffic Patrols are a result of nearby neighbors calling in and complaining about the dangers of speeding traffic on the street right outside their home or near their bus stop.
Keep it up SPD!
January 4, 2009 at 1:32 am #652968
datamuseParticipantAustin: the problem with the robot speed detectors is that people have taken to making fake license plates, or stealing plates from similar cars and putting them on their own vehicles. Build a better mousetrap, and you wind up building a better mouse.
Generally speaking, considering how many people have been killed by speeding drivers on 35th Ave alone the past few years, I have no objection to speed traps. Ounce, prevention, pound, cure, etc.
January 4, 2009 at 3:42 am #652969
angelescrestParticipantHere’s MY problem w/the robot speed detectors:
I got a notice in the mail w/a photo of my car and a close-up of the license plate. It said it was a warning, and that I was driving over the speed limit in a school zone. Now, I know I drive only 30 on Charlestown sans pedestrians, but when children are present, I follow the directions: “20 when children are present”. The nice photo showed that NO ONE was present on the streets, so I called the #. The woman with whom I spoke said yes, I was clocked at 30 and that is the speed limit, and yes, no children (nobody) were present, but she stipulated that the sign said “20 in school zone”. I’m like, “No, that’s not what it says”, and after conferring with her manager, she didn’t know what I should do. Neither did I.
I never speed, I pay attention to the signs. I remain miffed.
January 4, 2009 at 4:44 am #652970
BG39Memberangelcrest, I agree with you that that is a problem with the robot speed detectors, unfortunately it also can be a problem with human cops, it seems like those signs can be deciphered different ways to different people.
mellaw, good for you that you haven’t had a speeding ticket in 20 years, that just means you haven’t been caught in 20 years.
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