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June 15, 2010 at 8:07 pm #595199
JiggersMemberDd you see the video?..wow! Maybe WSB can post it up here, but there was a lot of potty mouth language going on. Seattle Times has the video up and running online. Rule number one: Never interfere with a cop who is trying to subdue someone. You’re going to get jacked!
June 15, 2010 at 8:55 pm #696617
maplesyrupParticipantI saw it. Normally I’d lean the other way but that girl deserved it.
June 15, 2010 at 9:28 pm #696618
CarsonParticipantI would tend to agree maplesyrup. I say make the officer take an unpaid coffee break as fair punishment.
June 15, 2010 at 9:38 pm #696619
KBearParticipantI’ll bet that officer knows what to do with bicyclists who run stop signs, too!
June 15, 2010 at 10:16 pm #696620
WSBKeymasterThere’s no WS angle in it whatsoever so far as I can determine so it’s not a main-page story here but the link Jig mentions is here (with video embedded courtesy of our pals at K5)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012122660_coppunch16m.html
June 15, 2010 at 10:31 pm #696621
flowerpetalMemberI thought the “Open Discussion” forum was for West Seattle related topics as it is described. I expected this thread to be pulled.
June 15, 2010 at 10:46 pm #696622
JiggersMemberflowerpetal…nah I’ll keep my lip shut.
June 15, 2010 at 11:13 pm #696623
squareeyesParticipantI had the sound off, but the video was pretty intense. Looked like the cop was justified in his reaction. What the #*%&, though?!? If a cop called me over for jaywalking, I’d accept my ticket like an adult and have my tantrum later in private.
June 15, 2010 at 11:57 pm #696624
SomeGuyParticipantFlowerpetal, we have lippy teenage jaywalkers in WS, so (BAM!) it’s relevant.
Fully support the officer in this situation; he showed quite a bit of restraint in my opinion.
June 16, 2010 at 12:11 am #696625
anonymeParticipantProvocation is not the same thing as justification. Restraint of the suspect, yes; a punch in the face, no. The officer did show a fair amount of restraint, but only after he was surrounded by an angry crowd with cameras rolling. This officer did not show good judgment, especially with no partner visible. He should have called for backup and had the women arrested for assaulting an officer. As it stands, he has only inflamed more anti-police sentiment in an already volatile atmosphere.
June 16, 2010 at 12:26 am #696626
dhgParticipantanonyme: I think you nailed it. I think the officer was justified in using force but he could’ve handled this better. This reminds me of the two teenaged girls who got bent out of shape because a guy had a hose out watering the traffic circle and wanted the girls to go around the left side rather than over the hose. The girls called in their backup and the garden guy ended up dead.
June 16, 2010 at 12:26 am #696627
ToddinWestwoodMemberAnyone remember the four officers in Lakewood? or the officer in Highland Park who was beaten so severly he’s on disability now?
After watching it at least 10 times today, shes lucky she didnt get tazed or beat down.
Have some respect for the police you little brats.
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June 16, 2010 at 1:01 am #696628
christopherboffoliParticipantPretty simple to me. Don’t assault a police officer and he won’t punch you in the face.
June 16, 2010 at 1:41 am #696629
JanSParticipantI keep thinking…if he had waited for backup, those two girls would have been long gone. When is it ever acceptible for someone stopped by police to react like that? If you had been the policeman in that video, what would you have done? Really, what would you have done? Just let them all go? He was surrounded. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. What if it had been an asian -american cop and a white girl? why is it that color is the first thing brought up? Let’s pretend they were all green? Does anyone bother to stop and make a video of it? What if he thought she was going for his gun? What does he do then, stop her by any means? I’m just bringing up”what if’s”. I’m not saying I agree with the police in the video. I think that perhaps the closed fist was a bit over the top…however..I understand that he had to do something to diffuse the situation.
And, yes, the girl had j-walked…it’s a crime, albeit a small one. Perhaps if she had treated the whole thing with a little more respect ( and her friend had simply minded her own business and butted out), things would have turned out very differently. I’m with Todd andChristopher – it’s never OK to assault a cop when he’s trying to cite you.
June 16, 2010 at 2:12 am #696630
EmmyJaneParticipantSo ironic that people can beat up on the police all they want and it may or may not make the news, but an officer defends himself after being attacked and its front page news. I’m very disappointed in the organizations I feel are getting involved and suggesting its a racial issue.
The girls also both had backgrounds, including assult. Neither got jail time because they were first time offenders. I love our system. You can steal a car and not get in trouble for it because it was the first time you did it. Wow.
June 16, 2010 at 3:07 am #696631
ejonesMemberI watched the entire video and don’t see anything wrong with what the officer did. Considering how much the girl was struggling I’m surprised he used so much restraint.
Yes he probably should have waited for back up and not have put himself in that situation, but he didn’t. Can you honestly watch the video and say the officer was wrong in his assessment that the woman he hit wasn’t “attempting to physically effect the first subject’s escape.” If someone grabbed my arm like that I would be tempted to punch them as well. With 5 jaywalkers I doubt they would have even been ticketed if they had just been polite and apologetic.
Flowerpetal, incidents like this affect the Seattle Police, which affects all neighborhoods and the policy’s that are enforced in them, including West Seattle.
June 16, 2010 at 3:08 am #696632
WSBKeymasterTo fpetal’s point. We prefer that this section stick to WS topics. However, some that are of huge citywide interest have erupted just the same, including major national stories, celebrity deaths, etc., and we would be foolish to say no! you can’t talk about that here. Things evolve. I’m glad that MOST of the time, it’s WS-related.
Different from some other categories provided as a service to West Seattle businesses etc., like Jobs Offered and Freebies/Deals/Sales – if those were overrun with non-WS things, that would be a problem.
June 16, 2010 at 4:27 am #696633
JiggersMemberThat’s why I started a thread on it because it was already drawing much attention,not locally, but nationally already. As any of you who watches the news would have seen the story. I didn’t post the actual video here because it wasn’t edited very well with all the language going on. I left it to WSB to post it or delete all together. My take is that the officer had every right to protect himself from another party trying to interfere and physically get involved with him. His backup was at least three minutes away as you watch the video you could hear the sirens in the background when the video stopped. Three minutes plus is a very long time for an officer to be in this position. It could have scaled into an uglier outcome as well. If the girl didn’t have an attitude, this wouldn’t have happened and she may have just got a verbal warning. He confronted her for jaywalking. She’s lucky he didn’t taze her behind. Maybe he should have. Now they are going to use the race card as you may already know. I’m wondering if Al Sharpton was called.
June 16, 2010 at 6:50 am #696634
TrickParticipantNow the bigger question is, if that’s a gun at 1:15 left on tape. It really does look like one at arms length of the cop.
June 16, 2010 at 2:31 pm #696635
JiggersMemberI heard the comments made by James Kelly who represents the African/American community and the Urban League. What a moron! Is there a smart African/American leader out there who can make an intelligent comment on this. I bet he ddn’t even watch the video.
If you watch the video closely, the girl in the pink was being pulled back by a African/American male. Personally, I think it’s more of a gender issue. That male trying to pull her back before she shoved the officer, at least he had some brains. It is a gender issue if you ask me.
June 16, 2010 at 3:15 pm #696636
JoBParticipantthis is neither a gender or race issue… it’s a civility issue… and one we had better solve soon.
the problem is more obvious in those who have already had encounters with the law.. but it exists in subtle and not so subtle ways throughout our society.
We have had more than one discussion here on WSB about the rationalizations for breaking the law…
it’s only one step from entitlement to abusive behavior to the kind of mob mentality displayed on that video.
June 16, 2010 at 3:22 pm #696637
beachdrivegirlParticipantUntil this morning I had not watched the video myself. I had read the headlines and my first reaction was to be embarrassed by our law enforcement. How dare they punch someone in the face, was my initial thought.
However after reading everyone’s comments here I decided to follow TR’s link to read up & watch the video.
After watching the video, I think the cop had every right to punch her in the face. Who the hell did those girls think they were? I hope they throw the book at those girls and I wish they could do the same to their parents. They had to have learned that disrespect somewhere.
On another note, it made me understand another posters post about police on Alki being timid. If this is what our law enforcement is faced with on a daily bases no wonder the first responding officer was waiting for his officer. He probably doesn’t want to end up on disability because of being attacked by these young adults who seem to have no respect for our law enforcement.
June 16, 2010 at 3:34 pm #696638
bebecatMemberThis female involved in this altercation obviously has a distorted view of her own self-importance. She also appears to have missed out on learning appropriate bounderies.
June 16, 2010 at 3:51 pm #696639
greatfree1MemberTo the people wondering about why a cop would even bother with stopping a jaywalker; the reason is that the local High School asked the police to patrol that particular area as they have noticed an increase in jaywalking and were worried about a student getting hit. So the police were responding to a request by the community and this is how they are treated?
June 16, 2010 at 4:00 pm #696640
TDeParticipantI think the officer is darned lucky that the crowd around him was more civil than the girls involved, or he could have been in real trouble. He’s pretty vulnerable in that video.
So how is it that a simple jaywalking ticket escalates into violence? Maybe SPD should assign jaywalking patrols a camera, to take photos of those who walk away from them and then assign someone to track down the “perps” later… shouldn’t be that hard given they are school students. They could show up at the parents house or even at their classrooms to issue a ticket.
I know it’s justice delayed, but jaywalking isn’t exactly murder 1 and it might stop the escalation into violence. If parents aren’t teaching youngsters respect for the law and law enforcement is determined to make youngsters accept tickets on the spot or be arrested, then it seems to me like these sorts of incidents will continue to occur. There must be some other way to deal with jaywalking.
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