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September 13, 2008 at 3:19 am #638242
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl..
it is never an easy decision for any woman to make no matter how young she is…
September 13, 2008 at 3:35 am #638243
angelescrestParticipant…but it is NOT your decision to make: only THAT woman’s. Period. And no woman should vote for anyone who would try to tell her what to do with her body. No woman…and I think young women in their teens would be insulted (at best) if you suggested they couldn’t make their own decisions…some make better decisions for themselves than their parents. 7 weeks…twelve weeks…20 weeks; it’s not anyone’s decision but that woman’s.
September 18, 2008 at 2:38 am #638244
beachdrivegirlParticipantInteresting headliner in the Times today!
Washington’s unemployment rate reached a high today. it has not been that high in four years….
Personally, I am curious to see how this effects the Governors race. IMO, it cant be good.
September 18, 2008 at 3:22 am #638245
charlabobParticipantIt would be hard to hold any governor responsible for a world-wide collapse caused by deliberate actions of the US government. But what do I know? Rossi is good at sound bytes(sic). :-)
September 18, 2008 at 5:37 am #638246
TrickParticipantWa State is not isolated to National trends, although we do better than most since we are more involved in the global economy.
National statistics:
NATIONAL DEBT2 2001 $5.7 Trillion/ Bush now $9.2 Trillion
Budgets surplus/deficit: 2001: $431 billion surplus / Bush now $734 billion deficit
2001: Jobs created 1.76 million Jobs / Bush now $369,000
PERSONAL SAVINGS RATE11 2001: +2.3%/ Bush now -0.5%
September 18, 2008 at 7:20 pm #638247
acemotelParticipantGreat comparisons, Trick. This chart should go over to one of the national politics threads. I would love to hear how the R posters would explain the figures.
September 20, 2008 at 11:49 pm #638248
beachdrivegirlParticipantSo I think that we have established above and in other threads that some people are choosing to vote only on social issues. I myself am interested in what a candidate’s total package is going to do for me and my fellow state , country etc. So this moves a bit beyond social issues.
So for others out there like me that like to look at the “package” we are getting our first chance of the 2008 Washington Governors race to view the candidates in a (commercial free) debate. B/C of this I am very excited to view the first sound off of the 2008 race between Gregoire and Rossi.
September 21, 2008 at 12:16 am #638249
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl…
social issues?
the economy, deregulation, the environment…
individual privacy, the educational system, the legal system
do you think any of those matter to you?
September 21, 2008 at 12:18 am #638250
TrickParticipantSeptember 21, 2008 at 12:23 am #638251
beachdrivegirlParticipantA social issue to me is different than a social thing to another. Social issues to me our more along the lines of guns and abortion etc. You named nearly every issue out there they ALL cant be “social”.
Yes 9pm. Komo. Commercial free.
September 21, 2008 at 5:14 am #638252
JoBParticipantBeachdrivegirl..
LOL… well, i will admit that for republicans the economy appears to be a social issue.. social engineering..
but if all those are social issues.. then what is left to make your choice? personality?
I am sorry i slept through the debate..
please let us know what you found interesting. i really am curious.
September 21, 2008 at 3:27 pm #638253
TienLeMemberIt doesn’t surprise me that this thread got hijacked as an abortion topic. This isn’t the place for that. If you want to talk about the Governor’s race, well then, let’s do that.
Actually Forbes now lists Washington as the THIRD best place to do business now (up from FIFTH) last year and 20th when she took office. The criteria used were job creation, employee retention, environment, infrastructure, etc.
The Governor has *doubled* exports since taking office.
Unlike previous Governors, she actually listens to the concerns of people in Eastern Washington and works to help solve their issues, like water.
That Budget Deficit that Rossi likes to point to in his ads doesn’t exist. Washington currently has a budget surplus. That Deficit is actually a shortfall. Washington State is NOT in debt. The shortfall is a *predicted* amount based on less incoming revenue for next year. Every state in the union has a budget shortfall because housing prices are down, so that lowers property taxes. People are being laid off everywhere, that leads to people not making purchases. We don’t pay income taxes in WA, so we rely on property taxes, sales taxes and Business and Occupation taxes. In a recession, all those tax revenue sources suffer. Unlike what Rossi would do (borrow more money from the Chinese like Bush), Gregoire put a freeze on hiring, is putting people on 4-day work weeks, cutting expenses straight across the board like a responsible leader should do.
Regarding the revenue sharing with the Tribes, well…WA has never shared revenue with them. But now that they’re finally making a profit from their investments and pulling themselves out of poverty, the Republicans want them to fork over the dough, but don’t want to give them anything in return in the way of services, etc. They just want to take the money and spend it on their own pet projects.
September 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm #638254
JoBParticipantThank you…
that was a rational defense of the charges Rossi made against Governor Gregoire..
welcome to the zoo:)
September 22, 2008 at 2:43 pm #638255
beachdrivegirlParticipantThank you TienLe for your non-biased and obviously experienced opinion. You can tell you have done your homework and know the facts. It is great to be able to come here and read the information you share. B/c truthfully I was extremlly disappointed in both Gregoire and Rossi during the debate. All I can say is thank god neither of them are running for President b/c neither candidate blew me away.
September 22, 2008 at 3:30 pm #638256
JoBParticipantWe get a second chance on a venue that is generally more informative…
Vote 2008: Governor’s debate
PBS
Live… Oct 1, 2008 / 7:00 to 8:00 PM
KCTS-9 Western Washington
Moderated by KCTS 9’s Enrique Cerna
Panelists include Seattle Times Associate Publisher & editorial writer Ryan Blethen
Yakima Herald Managing editor Barb Serrano
Tri-City Herald Olympia Correspondent Chris Mulik
for more into visit http://www.KCTS9.org
it’s sponsored by AARP and they sent me a card.
September 22, 2008 at 3:32 pm #638257
GenHillOneParticipantre: tribal casino revenues – let’s not forget the 10% fund already in place with them too…they are required to grant 10% of their revenue back into the community annually. Any non-profit can apply for those dollars.
edited to add example (here’s Tulalip)
September 24, 2008 at 6:45 pm #638258
JoBParticipantfrom Seattle Weekly..
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-09-24/news/trading-one-potential-disaster-for-another.php
What is most interesting about this is that the King Co contingent felt their group was pursuing the wrong strategy to begin with…
smart people.. because this story gives the state legislature incentive to close any loophole that make it possible for private groups to use state refunds to pursue political purposes… especially when the organization asks it’s members to forgo their portion of the refund so that they have more money to spend on political ads…
tacky, tacky, tacky.. arrogant and stupid… but then that’s the kind of company Dino keeps.
September 24, 2008 at 7:24 pm #638259
mellaw6565MemberI know that the tribes in the school districts I have been in dump TONS of money into the local schools and economy. Gregoire knew that and decided to let them support their local communities instead of taxing them statewide. I don’t have a problem with her decision.
I do have a problem with the Tim Eyman types who constantly want to decimate property taxes. If we don’t want a state income tax and if sales taxes unfairly hit the poor, then how are we supposed to pay for our services?
Taxes are part of a democracy and part of our civic responsibily – the problem IMO is not the tax but the mismanagement and waste of the money by the government. I think Gregoire has done a pretty fair job so far – I don’t want Rossi’s trickle down economic theories to come here – we would have an income tax so fast your head would spin – “read my lips”.
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