Questionable Sign for Wax On Salon?

[JanS]

Wolley Segap…” It catches the eye and directs the gaze of prospective mates”…and when is that? when out clubbing? at work? on the bus? a local restaurant? curious minds want to know…

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[Sonoma]

Best argument against waxing the more-sensitive parts of one’s body: the infamous excruciatingly funny scene from “The 40-Year-Old Virgin.”

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[JoB]

Ya know..

just for the record

i think some of the comments people make here on the blog are asinine…

i think they often display both a lack of sensitivity and maturity

somehow i refrain from making personal comments/observations about the people making them.

I don’t know how i do that

because the same cognitive deficits that cause me to type in phrases and use ellipses sure don’t do much for my self control

but… somehow… i manage

I really wonder why some of you can’t do the same.

caveat…

this spanking only applies to those who so richly deserve it…

anyone not feeling that this applies to them can blithely go about their day without feeling chastised or scolded or otherwise put down ;->

because that’s the point isn’t it…

if your personal reactions to what i post are affecting your day..

that’s your problem

you might want to get to know me before you tar and feather me for who and what you think i am.

now.. back to our regularly scheduled kvetching…

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[JustAGuy]

JanS –

“And for you, and JusAGuy…I think y’all need to have your nether regions waxed and see how you like it.”

No. I don’t want to. Nor do I think anyone should if they don’t want to (this goes for my significant other, as well – I’m not holding a double standard). And don’t eat out if you don’t like hair? Dang, guy’s just trying to please a lady =P Naw, I’ll do the deed shaved or hairy, I just have a preference. I prefer dark beer, but I won’t turn away a pilsner! I guess I’m just confused by people being offending, rather than confused or disgusted, with a grooming choice. One that isn’t “out there” for everyone to see, nonetheless.

EDIT: But I can see someone being offended by the signage, which I suppose was the whole start to the conversation. But dang, I wonder how they get through the day without a heart attack!

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[JoB]

JustAGuy

i don’t see it as “just” a grooming choice

regardless of how young people now see this choice..

i got a too close for comfort look at how it was originally promoted

you know.. before Deep Throat made pornography socially acceptable

so yes.. it offends me

and yes i am that old ;)

on thanksgiving break my husband rented the movie Lovelace because we had already plumbed the depths of the Tillamook Redbox and he had heard it was interesting.

it was a much better movie than i expected…

and it did a good job of highlighting the abuse of workers within the pornography industry

but behind that story was the story of the abuse of ordinary women and girls in ordinary homes…

Linda’s life only became the exception when her husband decided to market her to the porn industry

and only became an example when a mafia boss who was already ticked off at her husband for cheating him financially decided to make an example of him.. ending her short career.

There are differences between then and now..

but one of the less positive is that the kind of exploitation of women that was considered pornographic then is too often the societal norm today.

that offends me

not because i am a prude

but because i remember all too clearly how that exploitation affected women i knew

sadly.. i see too often how it still affects women

the underlying message on that sign is that if you want to be sexually attractive to men you should shave your pubes…

i am offended that we think that kind of message .. made eye catching in it’s cuteness… is appropriate to pass along to our kids.

what you do in private is private..

but what you do in public really does impact others

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[Wolley Segap]

JanS you missed my point so let be be more clear. The psychosexuality of the human animal began forming not in the disco era, or after WWII, or when you began going to clubs, but hundreds of thousands of years ago, when our ancestors were not riding on buses or going to work but running around naked on the savannah. I am harkening back to those formative times to help explain the origins of instinctive sexual response.

In case you are still unclear, I went on to propose that these autonomic responses are now hidden by the veneer of civilization but still quite powerful when consciously accessed & allowed to flourish. As for myself, my way has always been to look past the transitory dictates of style and fashion and try to be in touch with the real and the timeless—I find this naturalism more genuine and satisfying.

And FWIW, I happen to agree that there’s a strong element of female infantilization in the current practice, conscious or not.

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[JanS]

oh, please…I get all that…the sentence you posted just seemed, oh, I don’t know…strange. Believe me…at the ripe old age of 66, I know what you’re saying…you don’t need to be “condescending” about it…

and way back on the savannah…no one was waxing, for sure – lol…

your last sentence is true, even if many men will deny it…

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[Wolley Segap]

Well I guess I couldn’t figure out if you sincerely misunderstood or were just being snarky so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. My mistake. Bye.

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[JanS]

lol…yes, I was being a bit snarky…..I did not misunderstand. But putting that sentence into the discussion about today, not long ago, I thought I’d ask. Intent is often not transmitted when typing in a forum…so I hope you took it in the humor that I didn’t convey very well….

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[seaopgal]

And just like that, a promising candidate for “Thread of the Year” self destructs.

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[Sonoma]

Say it ain’t so! Keep the dream (or thread) alive! Let’s stop the personal insults and sniping and get back to main topic!

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[lpolito]

There are no dirty signs just dirty minds. And kids don’t have them. So, why get your panties in a bunch?

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[JoB]

Ipolito..

because those children ape the advertising we subject them to

and that’s not a good thing

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[jissy]

Bump

B/c Sam-c was looking for it!

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[sam-c]

thanks! I kinda forgot what I was going to say, except to agree with post # 44.

and also to ponder what the wax-ers think of the change in trends- didn’t waxing used to mostly be for eyebrows and upper lips? I mean, that is not a job I could do…. (but I also do not think I could be a dental-hygienist either- staring into peoples’ mouths all day)

thanks for linking a photo- the print for the sign is really small after all. and it says ‘clean’ not bare. which is the idea that some here seem to be so upset about. maybe one person’s concept of ‘clean’ is not the same as others. or maybe it is, who knows

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[biankat]

I like it. It’s humurous. It made me laugh when I saw it in the summer. It entertained my friends, and even my dad gave it a chuckle. Good stuff!

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[JanS]

I even had no idea they had moved to where they are…shows how much I get out, huh…

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[PangolinPie]

I have a sticker on my recycle bin: “Save a tree; eat a beaver.” Fortunately there are no children in my house to be offended or frightened. :)

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[shed22]

It seems to me that the beaver in the image of the sign is sporting some serious wood. Nature is fraught with innuendo.

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[Cait]

I feel like some of these comments (surprisingly from women) are aiming to shame women who make the choice to groom themselves however they want without being judged. Women being allowed to conduct themselves in the manner they choose is the first (if not only) tenant of feminism.

Equating this with genital mutilation trivializes actual genital mutilation in a way that I’m surprised more people aren’t taking issue with.

The sign has had it’s intended effect and I applaud them for it. Oh – and parents – if your kid recognizes the sign and asks what it “really” means… know that they probably already have been exposed to enough innuendo that you might as well just explain it. An innocent mind isn’t just going to ASSUME that this means ANYTHING. Consider it a Litmas test for what your child has already figured out about sex jokes. If they’re asking, it’s a good sign that it’s the right time to tell them.

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[JoB]

Cait..

i thought i had said all i had to say on this matter..

but your comment that this is about women shaming women who make choices changed my mind.

this isn’t about women’s choices..

it’s about what we choose to advertise on our city sidewalks…

and shaming feminists for calling the practice of denuding the pelvic area genital mutilation won’t change that.

Nor will “Equating this with genital mutilation trivializes actual genital mutilation in a way that I’m surprised more people aren’t taking issue with.”

shaving the pubic area is genital mutilation… with some pretty ugly unintended health risks that you blithely sweep under the grooming choice rug.

no, it isn’t the kind of genital mutilation that removes body parts that won’t grow back…

but that doesn’t make it any less what it is.

Would you buy the argument that if a woman isn’t severely injured defending herself from rape that it isn’t rape?

nope. the difference in the severity of injuries from so called date rape and brutal rapes that often result in death doesn’t change the essential nature of rape.

Sexually speaking, I have no problem with what consenting adults choose to do in private. If women choose to shave their genital area for any reason, that is their choice to make.

i think it is a foolish choice on a lot of levels, but it is their choice.

i am guilty of making choices that i now consider foolish… You can’t imagine how horrified my mother was when i chose to put not only one but two holes in my ears .. permanently mutilating them.

i don’t regret the mutilation… but i sure didn’t think through the unintended consequences…

for some people there are none, but I set myself up for recurring infections and the necessity of wearing earring whether i want to or not..

but there you go…

Shave, don’t shave, it’s all the same to me. Personally i stopped shaving everything years ago …

for many of the same reasons i object to extreme genital grooming now

but i still find myself plucking the hairs out of my chinny chin chin .. there is no accounting for vanity

i am trying to rethink that one too but the truth is that even in your 60s advertising influences how you think of yourself .. of what you think is and isn’t acceptable

and i am having trouble with a personal image that includes perfectly normal hairs on my chin.

which brings us back to the issue…

What i have a problem with is promoting those private choices on our sidewalks.

because that’s just what advertising is.. promotion..

with the goal of increasing demand by making the product being advertised the expected norm

will today’s girls be struggling with whether or not to shave their nether regions in their 60s because we allowed advertising to make it the norm now?

i so hope not. because being a slave to fashion’s dictates isn’t in line with my admittedly feminist goals…

lastly… you said :

” An innocent mind isn’t just going to ASSUME that this means ANYTHING. Consider it a Litmas test for what your child has already figured out about sex jokes. If they’re asking, it’s a good sign that it’s the right time to tell them.”

which brings us back to the root of why this might not be a “choice” we want advertised on the street..

conversely… your child’s questions could indicate that it is a good time to ask yourself just how much you trust the other adults in your child’s life…

those kinds of questions can be a signal that someone has violated your trust in ways you don’t want to think about.

in ways that will affect that innocent little mind for the rest of their lives.

worth pondering, isn’t it.

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[Cait]

A lot of that? Frankly, no. I’ll leave it at that.

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[JoB]

Cait…

i think our differences have a lot to do with the times in which we grew up

and what we have seen and experienced along the way

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[F16CrewChief]

This thread went from being funny, to down right bizarre.

I have three children ranging from 9 to 17. This sign does not bother me. It is naive to think my children being the social butterflies they are would be blind to innuendos such as this silly sign. As a parent, I am extremely confident my children will either shrug off the sign, laugh at the sign or ask what does it mean. If they have to ask, I’m comfortable explaining.

I have a harder time explaining to my kids why that grown adult didn’t stop his vehicle at a crosswalk for those children trying to cross, why that grown man didn’t hold a door open for the elderly lady and her shopping basket, why that grown lady at the checkout line is trying to convince the clerk something was on sale that really wasn’t, and so on… As my children get older, I pray they can find the humor in everyday life, even if it’s on a sign and considered vulgar by some. I’d rather they look at the sign and crack a smile, rather than get a gray hair about it. There is enough stuff they’ll have to worry about in life.

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[PangolinPie]

F16 Crew Chief – thanks for the dose of common sense. You’re doing it right, in my opinion.

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