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December 12, 2013 at 10:35 pm #801088
dhgParticipantYou can thank your lucky stars they chose a woodland creature to illustrate their point.
December 12, 2013 at 11:18 pm #801089
SonomaParticipantLet’s not confuse “clean” with “waxed.” A waxed beaver may or may not be clean, a clean beaver may or may not be waxed. And, yes, it is a personal right to decide whether “to wax or not to wax.” As our hallowed Declaration of Independence put it, “certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Beavers.”
December 13, 2013 at 12:38 am #801090
jissyParticipantWax on….. Wax off
December 13, 2013 at 12:58 am #801091
2 Much WhineParticipantSPOILER ALERT! DO NOT LET THE CHILDREN READ THIS POST!
dhg in post #101 got me thinking about what would have happened if woodland creatures were not the chosen subject matter. . . . . .
Perhaps “a clean clam gets more sea cucumbers?”
How about “a trimmed taco gets more burritos?”
There’s always “a muffin without moss attracts more baguettes.”
or my favorite “a well-groomed pussy cat attracts more wiener dogs.”
and there’s “a clean coin purse collects more rolled quarters.”
Too much?
December 13, 2013 at 1:08 am #801092
seaopgalParticipantJissy: I’ve been waiting for that one : ) “Don’t forget to breathe. Very important.”
December 13, 2013 at 2:29 am #801093
WalkerParticipantI find it amusing how some people on here are free to rip others ideas and feeling to shreds, but the moment you disagree with them you are hindering their free speech and attacking them.
The old seattle “progressive” guard needs to loosen their Birkenstock straps a little.
December 13, 2013 at 3:21 am #801094
JoBParticipantYou know it’s funny… some of you jump up and down like a wounded cat when your opinions are challenged in any way but have no problem whatsoever labeling someone else’s post ridiculous… or ridiculing the poster.
do you really think your opinion becomes stronger because you label someone else’s ridiculous?
Call me old fashioned, but i don’t think so.
You may find me/my posts ridiculous..
you may think the label mutilation excessive
and the idea that the practice of denuding the “beaver” has any connection to child abuse
but i don’t… and i am as entitled to respect for voicing my opinion as you are for voicing yours.
and as it turns out.. the reasoning behind my opinion has little to do with a need to loosen my birkenstocks.
i have strong opinions about this matter because i was an abused child…
from the age of 3 up to and including my “daddy dearest” shaving me when puberty hit…
trust me.. that is the kind of gift that keeps on giving a lifetime later.
mom had no idea and to be honest, didn’t really want to know … which by the way turns out to be more often the case than any of you would want to acknowledge.
as a result of the knwoledge gained through my experiences .. i have done more than a fair amount of mentoring of both men and women who have been abused..
and of parents whose children have been abused.
It turns out that there is often a strong connection between child abuse and various forms of pornography..
as i was unfortunately reminded recently in an incident that involved someone i knew not so far from where i live.
There is also a strong correlation between child abuse and lifetime mental problems … and between child abuse and work in the sex industry and between child abuse and lifetime homelessness.
And, last but not least, there is a strong correlation between “enhanced” body image advertising and dysmorphic body image…
and another strong correlation between advertising that objectifies women and violence towards them…
but hey..
letting that all get in the way of a cute beaver story would be pretty ridiculous
wouldn’t it?
December 13, 2013 at 5:08 am #801095
SeattlePorcupineMemberWow. I have been following this topic with some amusement, but refrained from commenting until now. While I hold tremendous sympathy for anyone who has been abused in their past, I think it is important to remember that this post is about the appropriateness of small printing on the bottom of a sign that provides cleaver innuendo. To make this topic about something deeper is probably more a reflection of the poster then the actual issue at hand. It would probably be better for people to work out their personal history and how that impacts their perception of the world with someone trained in counseling such issues instead of on a neighborhood blog.
December 13, 2013 at 5:15 am #801096
datamuseParticipantSorry, I’m still reflecting on the likely response if I told any of the women I know who do this that they’re mutilating themselves and their husbands or wives are pedophiles.
They *might* care to argue the point, once they stopped laughing.
December 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm #801097
JoBParticipantwell that was the topping on the cake
Seattle Porcupine..
has it occurred to you that i wouldn’t be mentoring other adults who have been the victims of abuse if i hadn’t worked out my personal issues with a counselor?
Probably not.
or that i spoke up about a very personal issue that i don’t often disclose to bring attention to a subject that doesn’t get much real discussion even though children are still being abused…
in fact.. they are being marketed as we speak somewhere in our fine city as i type these words.
Probably not
or that this isn’t about the “appropriateness of small printing on the bottom of a sign that provides cleaver innuendo.”
it is about marketing private adult services at street level in such a manner that makes it attractive to young women not old enough to purchase that service…
i think you missed that entirely
or that on a larger level.. it is about what we are marketing in general to our children and how that affects us as a society…
datamuse..
i am sure the women who use this service would laugh their selves silly at the idea that they are mutilating themselves…
or at the idea that their husbands or wives are pedophiles
i presume they are adults making adult choices
but i wonder if they would laugh so loudly if one of their children became the victim of someone enamored of their grooming practices?
probably not.
One last time..
i could care less what adults do with their bodies.
Yes, i personally think that this service is mutilation..
but that’s my opinion and i am entitled to it whether you like it or not.
but you do all of us a disservice by making a joke out of legitimate concern for what we are choosing to market to our children
****
an even greater disservice is made when we dismiss pedophilia as something that happens to other people’s children…
to the kids of negligent parents.
the not so funny thing about the reactions to my personal disclosure is that they really haven’t changed that much from when i disclosed my abuse at the age of 12…
which by the way is why it has taken me over 50 years to say publicly what i am generally only willing to discuss privately with other victims..
i hope some people who read this will take a moment to consider this as something more than a joke…
And on that note…
I am done with this topic.
December 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm #801098
metrognomeParticipantFuzzy Wuzzy was a bear,
But he was a regular at Wax On Salon
So Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair,
Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn’t fuzzy, was he?
that does raise a few questions: Does a bear wax in the woods? If a bear waxes in the woods, can the trees hear him scream? Did Lizzie Borden give her beaver 40 wax or 41? We may never know the answer to these and other questions.
However, we do know …
The term “Fuzzy Wuzzy” originated in the 1800s. British Soldiers gave the nickname, “fuzzy wuzzy” to the Hadendoa warriors that were a nomadic tribe along the Red Sea in Sudan. The Hadendoa were a formidable fighting force that gained the respect of the better trained British forces. The Hadendoa warriors wore their hair matted which gave a “fuzzy” appearance. The British were eventually victorious over the Fuzzy Wuzzies but with a greater fight than other enemies.
Rudyard Kippling wrote a poem in 1890, Fuzzy Wuzzy that praised the Hadendoa warriors for their fighting skills. “So ‘ere’s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your ‘ome in the Soudan; / You’re a pore benighted ‘eathen but a first-class fightin’ man”
Today Fuzzy Wuzzy is known more as the nursery rhyme many of us learned as children.
Or as the rug cleaning company; when I was a kid, we used to launch into the song when we saw their bldg. in the Cascade neighborhood (near where Pemco is now)
December 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm #801099
CaitParticipantThey are PATENTLY not appealing to children because the joke is something that kids probably won’t understand – where did we get off track there? You can spend multiple paragraphs equating the service to mutilation and saying that it has to do with children being abused and then saying “but I don’t care what other people do with their bodies” – you clearly do. Saying that doesn’t cover up all the other content there where you would like to make people feel bad for partaking of that service. If you do care, that’s fine. I personally don’t – that isn’t going to change, no matter how hyperbolic the argument gets.
I’ll say it again – equating it to ACTUAL genital mutilation trivializes an actual thing that happens that is horrific. This service is not anywhere CLOSE to that.
I don’t think that it should be taken as anything OTHER than a joke since that was the intent and it’s clearly not harming any children in the process. Kids have had some questions as a result – this could happen while watching TV, passing people on the street, overhearing a conversation in a waiting room… and what do you do to censor others in that situation? Earmuffs? I think that we can assume beyond reasonable doubt that the business didn’t think that kids would get it. So why the fuss on that front?
Making people feel like they are butting up against mutilation and pedophilia for not caring or even liking the sign is a desperate and really unfair way to get people to sway their opinions toward yours when it just isn’t going to happen. Knowing that – why guilt people into feeling differently about their choices? Why create a problem where there isn’t one regarding kids having questions about the sign? Because people don’t agree?
December 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm #801100
miwsParticipantDecember 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm #801101
JTBParticipantIn Modern Painters (1856) the Victorian art critic, John Ruskin, said in decrying how science can despoil an appreciation of natural beauty, “We cannot fathom the mystery of a single flower, nor is it intended that we should; but that the pursuit of science should constantly be stayed by the love of beauty, and accuracy of knowledge by tenderness of emotion.”
Richard Dawkins, commenting on Ruskin’s view in Unweaving the Rainbow (1998) said “Somehow this all lends plausibility to the theory that poor Ruskin’s wedding night was ruined by the horrifying discovery that women have pubic hair.”
For my part, I think however people choose to groom and adorn themselves as a positive self expression is just fine.
December 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm #801102
TanDLParticipantWell it’s nice to know that people are reading business signs, at least.
December 13, 2013 at 7:39 pm #801103
JanSParticipantFWIW..”Knowing that – why guilt people into feeling differently about their choices? Why create a problem where there isn’t one regarding kids having questions about the sign? Because people don’t agree?” This goes both/all ways…
I was thinking (oh, the horrors) last night that this business waxes many things…arms, legs, armpits, chins, upper lips, eyebrows, etc…wonder if we’ll be seeing signs about those…..
December 13, 2013 at 7:44 pm #801104
CaitParticipantI think that would be a fun community-participation challenge!
December 13, 2013 at 7:54 pm #801105
JanSParticipantcommunity participation…if it means I have to get something waxed, I’ll have to think on that – lol…ouch ! Although, I have joked in the past that after I did chemo, the hair on my legs grew back on my chin ;-)
December 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm #801106
WalkerParticipantI had a friend that got touched by a priest in exchange for a Snickers bar. I think it is just awful that those things are advertised everywhere and obviously promote child rape and prostitution.
December 13, 2013 at 9:19 pm #801107
CaitParticipantDecember 13, 2013 at 10:13 pm #801108
JanSParticipantCait…some people can’t seem to walk away, can they? I’m tryin’…but I do get disgusted with some needless posts…
December 13, 2013 at 10:33 pm #801109
WalkerParticipantI thought you where done with jans
December 13, 2013 at 11:08 pm #801110
hoffanimalParticipantWalker, I called that back on post #99.
December 13, 2013 at 11:26 pm #801111
JoBParticipantcait..
“You can spend multiple paragraphs equating the service to mutilation and saying that it has to do with children being abused and then saying “but I don’t care what other people do with their bodies” – you clearly do.”
when exactly was it that anyone granted you the right to decide that i don’t mean what i said?
I have done my best to be abundantly clear about what i meant… and whether you agree with me or not.. if you want the right to have your words taken at face value.. i would appreciate it if you would do the same for me.
You can read anything you want to into my posts..
but that doesn’t make your interpretation correct.
so to be clear.. here is that shaming thing you think i am doing to you.
for shame Cait that you can’t respect the opinions of others enough to read them and not claim that the person who posts them is lieing about what they say because you have personal issues with what they posted.
shame on you.
there.. now you can legitimately complain about me shaming you.
and btw.. i still have nothing more to say about this subject…
December 13, 2013 at 11:41 pm #801112
JanSParticipantdid I mention the thread, walker, or the topic? no…I made a comment to Cait, who I know personally…thanks for caring though
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