Protest teaching abusive parenting practices in West Seattle

[Dave]

that link is really well-rounded (hard to find with this subject), thanks for the contribution.

doesn’t sound like I’m getting much traction on the spanking is pain and abortion is pain parallel…

I was just musing on another parallel. Spanking causes long-term psychological pain and children that survive abortions (rare, but it does happen) also have psychological pain to cope with!

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[JenV]

Dave and NR should start a new topic about abortion, this thread is about the protest at Mars Hill against Ted Tripp. Let’s not confuse the two.

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[JoB]

Dave,

no you don’t have to have a resume to protest…

i personally find it helpful to ask myself how much responsibility i am willing to take for the consequences of my actions before i protest private individuals decisions though.. as you are doing when you protest outside an abortion clinic…

Are you passing along referrals to agencies that will help these women responsibly raise their children along with ant-abortion information?

Do you choose to financially support those agencies?

If not, why not?

what gives you the right to insist that women assume a lifetime commitment because you think abortion is wrong..

because this is about far more than a fetus.

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[acemotel]

“It has been documented and proven….that a fetus DOES feel pain….”

Please provide evidence. Is the documentation based on exit interviews? TIA

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[JoB]

Dave.

any woman who loses a child… to abortion, to adoption, to miscarriage, to still birth, to crib death, to death at any time… faces a lifetime of regrets and pain.

no matter the cause, losing a child is a painful process… often made worse when the decision was your own.

This issue is far more complicated than what happens to a fetus.

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[beachdrivegirl]

The thing is to though…you can look past just that fetus’s can feel pain. why not think about those children that are being forced into abotions at 16, 17, 18 years old. it is scary.

It is even scarier, when you read the stories about individuals that have surived abortions. Legal abortions because they were done incorrectly.

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[JenV]

Dave and NR should start a new topic about abortion, this thread is about the protest at Mars Hill against Ted Tripp. Let’s not confuse the two.

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[JoB]

New Resident..

not all unintended pregnancies are the result of carelessly having unprotected sex…

in addition, if you want to protect children from the consequences of unintended sex, the first step is thorough sex education which includes the purposes and effectiveness of contraception.

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[Anonymous]

Dave, philosophical questions are always of interest. I’m glad you posed them. If one’s opinions can not stand up to challenge, we should learn to keep them to ourselves.

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[GenHillOne]

This really isn’t adding to the plans for tonight and tomorrow. New thread maybe? Or not would be okay too.

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[JoB]

i just have one comment.. i wish that those who oppose abortion would spend as much of their energy protecting and nurturing live children as they do prospective children.

And with that, i am done with this distraction.

Today, there is something you can choose to do to affect the well-being of children… if your concern is offering parents a more balanced view of a christian upbringing than that which will be presented by Tedd Tripp, please join us this evening in front of either the West Seattle or Ballard Mars Hill Church or tomorrow in front of the Ballard Mars Hill Church…

Next week, i will be more than happy to hold down my end of an abortion debate…

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[Dave]

I would highly agree that it is about “more than just a fetus.” Americans in general seem to have blinders on when it comes to looking at a long-term view of anything. The unprotected sex comment is right on – some studies show that as high as 30% of women use abortion as their only form of contraception. This whole issue would be far smaller if people took some time to look at the consequences that they obviously don’t want and prevent it with some contraception (an IUD lasts for like 5 years and costs half as much as an abortion, or so my female Dr friend has informed me).

As I said earlier, I don’t seem to be getting a lot of traction on the parallels of pain that I thought were fairly logical. I’ll stop hijacking this post as it seems that’s all I’m doing.

Cheers and have a great Seattle weekend!

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[Anonymous]

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp#Medical%20Example%20of%20Pain

This is one link, acemotel, that is quickly found regarding this issue. There are, obviously, SO many more that relate to this very issue, not to mention the numerous books that have been written on this topic.

The information is there, all over (actually both sides to the argument).

Hope that helps a little.

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[beachdrivegirl]

You are right, when you state that an IUD costs less than an aborion. It is 99.9% effective too. And the risks associated with a women and her womb are also less than a women faces with an abortion.

Done with the abortion comments.

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[JenV]

“some studies show that as high as 30% of women use abortion as their only form of contraception.”

uh, yeah- women do that because abortions are SO enjoyable. back up your facts, jack. I sincerely doubt that is the case – no woman would have an abortion “just because”.

sorry to keep contributing to the threadjacking. I’ll go sit in the corner now.

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[JoB]

New Resident,

since you think spanking is wrong, will we see you tonight?

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[JoB]

Where this all began for those of us in West Seattle…

with a post from Nico and posts from concerned parent that gave direction to this controversy…

and thanks to all who have participated both publicly and privately to generate the attention this issue has received.

it has been an honor to work with you all.

https://westseattleblog.com/blog/forum/topic.php?id=1928&replies=115

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[Anonymous]

JoB – I do not agree with spanking an infant. That is for sure.

However, you will not see me tonight because I have not read this person’s books and do not feel I should protest something that I’m not 100% sure what the exact message is.

I commend those of you who DID find the time to read those books and are standing up for what you believe in.

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[JoB]

somehow, i didn’t think so.

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[Anonymous]

Yep, I stand behind my decision, JoB.

Have fun tonight!

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[JoB]

i have printed up handouts for tonight and will finish more signs this afternoon since holding signs seems to be most comfortable for the people who have responded…

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i am sorry you can’t see a way to join us New Resident.

i don’t expect it to be much fun, but it has already proven worthwhile. I have already heard from members of the Mars Hill church.. and the church’s neighbors… who are glad someone is speaking up.

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You can choose to be part of the solution or you can choose to be part of the problem.. even if the only was you contribute to that problem is by not speaking out…

or as my best friend says.. you can just stand by the side and bitch.

I think that old adgage and my friend’s comment apply to a lot of situations.

her firm boot in my backside has gotten me out the door more times than i care to admit:)

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[Anonymous]

“somehow, i didn’t think so”

Or you can just say bitchy things. No matter the topic, wanting to be informed (reading the book in question), does not merit a put down.

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[Jenny]

> New Resident: JoB – I do not agree with spanking an infant. That is for sure.

> However, you will not see me tonight because I have not read this person’s books and do not feel I should protest something that I’m not 100% sure what the exact message is.

> I commend those of you who DID find the time to read those books and are standing up for what you believe in.

What New Resident said. Good luck!

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[Anonymous]

“You can choose to be part of the solution or you can choose to be part of the problem..” – JoB

How can I choose to be a part of the solution when I’m not completely educated or informed of what the problem is? I’m, at least, willing to admit that I have not educated myself on this issue enough to participate in the protest.

You can try and turn that into something negative about me personally, but I think it is the commendable choice to make.

Did you read all his books, JoB?

Thanks JT and Jenny.

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[Sue]

I have to say that I respect New Resident’s position on it – I would find it hard to protest something when I didn’t have personal knowledge of it. While reading the excerpts of this man’s book here and elsewhere, it certainly sounds like something worthy of protest. However, I’m sure you could also pull the right excerpts out of the book and make it look like the most loving, wonderful act on earth. (Note: I am NOT saying anyone manipulated this information posted here or has a particular agenda; I’m speaking generally.) But if I were protesting it and someone asked my opinion on something in the book, and I had to admit I hadn’t read any of it, I’d come off looking like an idiot. Being informed is important for all of us in any situation, especially when we’re speaking up about it.

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