Progresive is not just another word for democrat

[DP]

Carson, you are contradicting yourself. First you strongly agree with Yardvark (who says vote independent), and now you say you’re going to vote Democratic.

So which is it? Do you agree with Yardvark and me, or do you feel you’ve got to vote Democrat no matter what? You can’t have it both ways.

 

** Clarification 1:

Bush and the Congress—which included Hillary Clinton and a whole bunch of other Democrats— sent X,000 kids to their deaths in Iraq, not us. Maybe you were out there telling the government that it was OK to go into Iraq. I was out there telling them not to.

I’m still out there, in fact, and they’re STILL not listening.

 

** Clarification 2:

Obama has already sent X00 MORE kids to their deaths by refusing to end the wars that Mr. Bush started.

 

** Clarification 3:

The time for standing up for principles isn’t just when you get “enough people” or when you’re sure it won’t hurt.

When it comes to war, the time for standing up for principles is now.

If you vote your conscience, and the wrong guy wins, at least you’ve still got your conscience, and presumably you’ll still be able to act on it. But if you vote against your conscience, and things still go south (like they have on the war, for example) then you’ve been had twice over.

The Democratic Party has been rightly referred to as “the graveyard of progressive movements.” They get people all excited about the future. They get people using words like “hope” and “change” as if they actually meant something. Then what do they do with all that energy?

They pour it down the deepest rathole that ever was.

When I think of all the “hope” the Democratic Party has squandered, all the confusion they’ve sown, it just makes me ill.

 

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[Carson]

It all depends on the race. In 2000 Nader gave us Bush. Locally, for US Senate for example, it is a 2 horse race, so as much as you might not like Murray (she is not my favorite) the other choice is far worse. I would prefer an independent (NOT like Lieberman) who can actually win, but if its a close race, I vote to pick the best of the 2 worst, not who I might like to win, but doesn’t stand a chance.

I can actually have it both ways. You can blame Hillary for the war, I blame W. Maybe we are both right, maybe we are both wrong. Does it matter? Nope, its just the internet and I hope no one takes this crap seriously.

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[JoB]

Carson..

i take this crap seriously…

and i will take it very seriously if we end up with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Speaker of the House John Boehner because a bunch of people thought it was more important to make a point than to make sure we had representatives and senators who could actually govern.

This idea of electing progressive independents is a great one.. except for one itty bitty little thing.. you don’t get to dance if you aren’t invited to the party..

except for making a lot of great speeches that make everyone feel great they are pretty ineffective at getting actual legislation passed.

in case you missed it.. that is the job we elect these guys and gals to do…

yes, they are going to have to compromise to get anything done… but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing anything.

something is almost always better than nothing…

and nothing is what you will get by making this point.

as for Obama.. we got just what he said we would get. no less.. and certainly no more:(

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[Carson]

JoB,

I take that serious, the stuff posted here, not at all. Like me, you have one vote, I will cast my vote for Murray. Thats the best we can do to keep the senate out of the R’s control. As for the House, is there anyone running against McDermott? Either way, he gets my vote as well. One man, one vote, the rants and raves don’t change a thing.

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[JoB]

carson..

you would be surprised how many minds get changed by some of the comments on this forum.. information has helped many a person make up their mind how to cast that vote.

btw…lieberman was not elected as an independent

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[Carson]

JoB,

I would hope no one takes this forum for anything more than it is. Entertainment. Unless a candidate was willing to post him/herself on here its nothing more than bantering and one liners.

As for taking serious, I am saying this inclusive to the politics. I do take other postings (reviews, questions, etc) serious. This is like a local version of The Daily Show. Entertaining and for the most part, I agree with whats said. I make my political choices on what the candidates say, not the pundits, or pundit wanna be’s.

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[JoB]

Carson…

i am delighted if you find my conversation entertaining…

but i still think it’s conversation…

the source of most dynamic public shifts of perception.

i am first and foremost a radical.

my venue of choice is conversation.

if i can be entertaining at the same time..

so much the better.

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[Julie]

Ahem. Sounds like it’s time to trot out my reminder that the voting system needs changing, so that we can vote our conscience without worrying about the “spoiler” effect: We need ranked choice voting.

Sadly, we lost an opportunity last year when those who would like to maintain the entrenched two-party power system prevailed, both in Pierce County, where misinformation convinced voters to repeal their new system, and in King County, where the committee charged with making recommendations about elections voted to keep the (very flawed) status quo.

For those who’re not familiar with it: on your ballot, you can rank the candidates in order of your preference. If you first choice candidate fails to get enough votes, your vote transfers to your second choice candidate.

No election system is perfect, but ranked choice, or single-transferable voting, is more accurate than the system we use now, in which you have to decide–do you vote for a very long-shot candidate with whom you most agree, and risk throwing the election toward a candidate with whom you very much disagree, or do you vote the “safe” choice?

But it will take a lot of work before we improve our democracy with a better voting system.

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[HMC Rich]

It is a representative republic. I think Duckitude wants a true Democracy.

Why are you complaining? Progressives are sneaky socialists. Progressives might be Democrats but not all Democrats are Progressives. I believe in certain community issues and funding. As much as you try, the Republicans are not the party of NO. They have been the party of sometimes. Spending did not drop during Bush and Republican majorities, did it?

I do not see or have seen any Republicans elected in the 34th District or the 7th Congressional. Most of you have elected the politicians that have been representing you. Locally, Democrat and Progressives have been elected. That is the make up of this general area. Locally you have determined who goes to Olympia and DC. Obviously, nationally, it is a different story.

In fact, top two voting is probably better for the Democratic stranglehold you have in this district. Have fun fighting among yourselves. Lefty fighting is very entertaining to watch.

JoB, you are a nice radical IMO.

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[Carson]

JoB,

Of course I find you entertaining, but then again, I also find Smitty entertaining. If I ever had questions about an issue, the last place I would ever take serious is an anonymous forum. I also happen to agree with you on more issues than not, but still its nothing more than entertainment.

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[JoB]

HMCRich..

i have to admit.. the republicans never saw a tax cut for the wealthy or a war or a corporate give away they weren’t willing to fund with my dollars.. present or future…

it’s been a very long time since republicans were willing to finance anything else.

and thanks.. i try to be a very nice radical :)

Carson…

what is entertainment for you may be enlightenment for someone else. you never know.

if the banter makes even one person think it has served it’s purpose.

Julie..

i am not sure how i feel about that voting system… but it sure would have solved some pesky problems.. like george w :)

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