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May 2, 2008 at 2:48 am #586874
AshleyMember(content removed at author’s request)
May 2, 2008 at 3:33 am #623554
TheHouseMemberIf you don’t like working for tips, get a job that provides you a better compensation structure.
May 2, 2008 at 4:24 am #623555
JoBParticipantTheHouse…
rude. these are commission salespeople.. except they don’t’ get a set commission.
Ashley..
some people just don’t know any better.. they are still stuck in that 10% is a good tip mode…
for those that don’t know. the last time i worked in a restaurant the IRS sort of figured our tips for us by averaging the tips on the credit bills and then “allocating” those tips to you.. using the restaurant as the heavies… so whether you made it or not.. it got reported… and figured into your income.
we wouldn’t want those service people to get away with anything…
and in some states… the restaurant gets to figure those tips in when calculating the minimum wage… so the servers are generally paid a pittance…
so..why do they put up with those working conditions?
They do it because they need the flexible hours.. they may be students or artists or moms or…
and because if you work in a good place… and give good service.. you will make more than minimum wage..
if you work in a really good place and the economy is really good and you are very efficient and very friendly you might make a good wage…
Think of that next time you sit down somewhere and are served.
A good tip is a very nice way to say thank you…
A decent tip (15-20%) should be an expected part of your bill.
and a tip in cash is always appreciated…
May 2, 2008 at 4:35 am #623556
AshleyMemberDear JoB,
You brought tears to my eyes and reaffirmed my belief there are good people out there. Thank You and God Bless!
May 2, 2008 at 4:43 am #623557
JoBParticipantashley…
I am glad i am able to help a little.
Some people really just need to be educated.
but i have to tell you… it’s not nice to out customers that way… especially where they can be so easily recognized.
You rant would have been more effective if you hadn’t singled out that one poor guy…
May 2, 2008 at 4:53 am #623558
TheHouseMemberRude? Give me a break. They are hourly employees and receive tips only because it is customary (commission would be paid by the employer).
Don’t even get me started on this because 99% of waiters, bartenders, etc don’t actually claim the actual amount they receive in tips on their federal taxes.
So, Ashley I’m just curious. Are you completely honest and claim EVERY tip you receive? If the answer is no, then you should enjoy getting a 10% tip b/c it’s free money.
May 2, 2008 at 5:01 am #623559
AshleyMemberYou are correct in hindsight I should have not singled him out and been more evasive. I, however, cannot find a way to delete or amend my previous post. Unless you both know of a way.
Also I am no longer in the service industry, thankfully so.
May 2, 2008 at 5:10 am #623560
AshleyMemberI have requested that the thread be deleted. I am sorry I let my emotional sensibilities get the best of me. I should not have singled him out.
May 2, 2008 at 5:19 am #623561
WSBKeymasterYou should be able to delete your own posts. I understand from some folks that the option doesn’t always show up, not sure why. I am not going to delete the others’ responses without their authorization but will clear your posts. Also I need to reiterate the site policy that as site owners we have the right to delete or not approve any comment by anyone at any time for any reason. Some comments held for moderation do not show up because the spam filter eats them (one particular user recently for some reason went to the spam filter every time and we’re not sure if we lost some of them; we have to clear 5,000-plus spam comments out of the queue every day) but some, probably about two a week, do not show up because we do not approve them, and that is what was done with your original comment, it was not deleted, but rather not approved. — TR
May 2, 2008 at 5:19 am #623562
AnonymousInactiveAshley, our *emotional sensibilities* have gotten the best of a lot of us. You’re trying to take care of it so don’t be so hard on yourself.
May 2, 2008 at 2:58 pm #623563
JenVMemberMay 2, 2008 at 3:11 pm #623564
KayleighMemberI don’t understand this thread with the original post gone. :0(
May 2, 2008 at 3:21 pm #623565
JenVMemberKayleigh: Ashely was a server, and one of the guys from the Penny Dreadfuls video was a notoriously bad tipper…and she outed him as such.
May 2, 2008 at 8:53 pm #623566
JoBParticipantHouse..
On this one, your ignorance is showing.
IRS regulations 20+ years ago made it far more difficult for restaurant people to get away with not claiming all of their tips…
and that group.. along with hairdressers, taxi drivers and other groups who get tips as part of their compensation are more heavily audited by the IRS than any other group.
At one point, keeping a daily log of tips was considered adequate documentation.. but not any longer…
A really good wait person might be able to hide part of their tips… or someone working in a mostly cash only environment.. but once the advent of credit cards allowed the IRS a mechanism for tracking tips… the mediocre or untalented are now graded by the restaurant and thus IRS by the average… in most places taxes on your projected tips are taken out of your wages as a percentage of your told sales… and that often penalizes them.
As for them not being commission sales people… just what do you think their real function is in a restaurant? the first thing they are taught is how to sell additional food and services.
If you are given compensation based on a percentage of what you sell.. that can be called a commission… regardless of whether it is fixed and whether it is paid by the seller or the buyer…
May 3, 2008 at 8:15 pm #623567
TheHouseMemberJob, you are correct about the IRS regulation but take a poll of how many people that work at bars that actually claim everything. In addition many bars don’t “officially” employee their staff. Some of them simply are compensated “off the books”.
When you’re dealing with large restaurants and chains you may me correct, but when you’re dealing with small establishments like we are here and are scattered throughout the city it’ not always the case.
Notice that Ashley hasn’t responded as well……
May 3, 2008 at 10:01 pm #623568
JanSParticipantHouse…notice that Ashley apologized, asked for the original post to be deleted, as in…nevermind…this was the wrong place to do this…
May 4, 2008 at 5:18 am #623569
JoBParticipantTheHouse…
If restaurants are illegally hiring staff off the books and paying them under the table.. they generally don’t last too long…
It may surprise you to know that the IRS is just a little picky about getting all of it’s money…
and if a restaurant isn’t hiring enough staff for their revenue.. they find themselves investigated pretty quickly.
last jobs i held in the restaurant business were mgmt… of small places as well as larger…
and the number of employees at these small restaurants that are hired off the books and find a way not to pay taxes on their tips would have to be statistically small…
i would guess far smaller than self employed businessmen who claim offices they don’t actually use.. and bring family along on business trips on the company dollar.. and…
i did taxes for a while too:)
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