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September 2, 2008 at 10:12 pm #636918
acemotelParticipantSkeletons in Obama’s closet? huh? I haven’t seen anything come out about him. What is an example?
Republicans themselves are asking questions about Palin’s nomination, these questions are not isolated to the Democrats.
September 2, 2008 at 10:37 pm #636919
charlabobParticipantI certain appreciate the solicitude for my healthy and physical appearance, but, believe me, there’s no bitterness at all here. I assume you objected equally to the “Democrat” because it reminds voters of rats scheme, right?
BTW, McCain claims he and Palin were “soulmates” when they met for the first *of four times* before he selected her. hmmmmmm sounds like a good reason to pick a second in command.
September 2, 2008 at 11:19 pm #636920
Tonya42Membercharlabob -“”Democrat” because it reminds voters of rats scheme, right?”
I honestly NEVER made that connection and I don’t think anyone else sees the word Democrat as a put down.
There isn’t anything that can be said (that I know of) that can cast a bad light on selecting her as a running mate. She is her own woman and I like what I’ve read about her so far.
Obama and Biden versus McCain and Palin hmm..
It is going to be the maverick former POW and a straight talking tough as nails conservative WOMAN against the second coming metro sexual and the emasculated blowhard.
Yes, that is a tough choice…
September 2, 2008 at 11:20 pm #636921
AnonymousInactiveSeptember 2, 2008 at 11:30 pm #636922
CaitParticipantActually, it’s kind of refreshing to see a less than favorable account of Obama and the reason why so many people find McCain so appealing. I’m being honest too! I heart West Seattle Republicans – a hearty group and worthy adversaries! Well tested around these parts too I’d imagine.
September 2, 2008 at 11:31 pm #636923
beachdrivegirlParticipantOut of curioustiy does anyone else find it funny that the repbulicans are acting like the race isnt between obama and mccain at all but in fact between obama and palin. Palin is the VP. Biden is the VP. Then if you want even more of a chuckle. Consider this McCain was threatened by Biden on Obamas ticket b/c Biden downplays McCains Veteran card considering his son is going to Iraq so what does McCain do he 1) assumes all women Hillary supporters are dumb and 2) gets a like canidate to Biden that has a son going to Iraq.
September 3, 2008 at 4:56 am #636924
JoBParticipantTonya42..
trying to follow your logic is giving me a headache.. so this will be my last post tonight.
Yes, i do believe that my words and my posts are indicative of my character… and so far, i think they have some pretty good things to say about my intelligence as well.
Whether you think you can assess someone else’s character from their posts is not the issue.
The issue is that it is against guidelines for you to make those kinds of character assessments publicly about any poster.
Refute the ideas.. don’t slander the person. In other words, you can say my writing is full of ___ but you can’t say that i am…
is that a simple enough explanation for you?
I too have made character assessments of you because of your posts. But i wouldn’t dream of sharing them publicly.. though i would be more than happy to share them privately with you.
And.. just to throw the question out there.. since when was the diminutive Repug.. for republican considered any more of an insult than dem for democrats?
And is bleeding heart liberal or just liberals a descriptive term or an insult as they are used by those on the right?
I ask, because i am rather proud of being a bleeding heart liberal…
when i say it, it means i care.
September 3, 2008 at 5:19 am #636925
AnonymousInactive“The issue is that it is against guidelines for you to make those kinds of character assessments publicly about any poster.
Refute the ideas.. don’t slander the person.” – JoB
I think it’s time you practice what you preach. If you are incapable of that, don’t tell others what they can and cannot do on this forum.
Just my opinion, but if you do need examples, I have them to share. Just let me know!
September 3, 2008 at 5:22 am #636926
JennyMemberI never heard of Sarah Palin until recently. But from what I know of her so far, I think she’d be a slam-dunk no-brainer choice for VP 4 years from now, and for President 8 years from now. It is possible that this is too early for her. However…
What an impressive lady she is! It’s obvious she entered politics to accomplish things, not to BE somebody. She hit the ground running, and has been kicking butt & taking names ever since.
What this tells me about McCain is that he’s serious about being a reformer. That this is one administration that really IS going to fight for fiscal sanity & clean government. (If he simply wanted to be able to fill out the “Female” checkbox, he could easily have picked Kay Bailey Hutchison.)
All Palin has to do tomorrow and in the coming weeks is show that she belongs in the major leagues: Tell her story (especially to stop the attempts by the left to “define her” as a dangerous wacko from a wacko family), and then concentrate on the issues she knows best, such as energy policy. She knows her stuff on energy, and she has a definite goal in mind on that.
As long as she shows the country that she was elected governor of Alaska for a perfectly good reason (that she’s a smart, professional, and goal-oriented executive, like any governor should be) she’ll win over all the open-minded women & men.
Oh – and if McCain croaks on the day after Inauguration, which he won’t, I’m sure she’ll pick a VP for their foreign policy experience. In which case she’ll be in exactly the same position that President Obama would be in.
September 3, 2008 at 5:26 am #636927
beachdrivegirlParticipantWhy Palin though?
What makes her experienced?? What makes you respect her? Ff we are looking for people that have been in office for a few years, and budgeted for a budget that ran 600K people why not start considering mayors?? At least a few of those may have dealt with more real issues than whether or not Polar bears should be kept on the extinct list, or being miss. XXX and all. Or better yet lets ignore the big problems.. like the war. seriously why?
September 3, 2008 at 5:41 am #636928
mellaw6565MemberJenny – I have to differ with your ideas on a couple of items:
First, I take issue with the suggestion that Palin is an expert on energy policy. Quite the contrary, she has never worked in any capacity for the oil companies or alternative energy producers. She has no scientific education or background. The only thing she can be an expert about is that she comes from a state that pumps a lot of oil, and a state that has an invested money interest in that pumping.
Alaska has a windfall profit tax (sort of) on the oil companies and therefore every household gets a pretty good size check every so often. Why wouldn’t you, as a mayor or governor, want the oil companies to stay around so your people can reap a financial reward from it. That doesn’t make her an expert – it makes her an opportunist.
Second, you state that Palin will “win over all the open-minded women & men”. That’s a pretty strong assumption about two people (McCain included) who have openly declared war on a woman’s right to choose, thus mandating what decisions an “open-minded” woman can make. It’s a little oxymoronic. Kind of like “military intelligence”. (Isn’t that what McCain has?)
BDG – I agree. There are lots of mayors of towns out there who have faced bigger challenges than Palin has – it doesn’t automatically qualify her and not others.
September 3, 2008 at 5:41 am #636929
AnonymousInactiveYou know what, BDG, I am offended that McCain chose Palin. I honestly feel that he made his decision based on her sex and I am insulted that he would think he could get more votes by doing this.
However, after research, I feel good about his decision. I feel that she is qualified and I like that she’s tough. I could do without the hard core religious angle, but, I guess it appeals to the more conservative base of the Republican Party.
Do you realize that Obama still has no clear plan for Iraq? My question would have to be to Democrats: Why Obama? What makes him experienced? And, remember, he’s running for the BIG job.
September 3, 2008 at 5:49 am #636930
mellaw6565MemberNR – I look back through history and there have been a lot of leaders with “no experience” before running that have ended up making good decisions. I’m not one of those who have taken up the argument whether Obama is or isn’t qualified, because it’s not the only measure.
I just wish that people would get over that issue and determine who has the best ideas for overseeing necessary and long overdue changes in our country. If it comes from an old guy or young guy (or woman) – I don’t care. I’m going to stick to measuring them up based on what they want to do and how they plan to achieve it.
It’s funny that everyone is making such a big deal out of having prior experience, yet there is so much discontent with the leaders we have and have had in the past – so why would you want somebody “experienced” if the past is all you’re going to get? So I say to many: make up your minds – do you want an insider with experience or a newbie with good ideas and the will to get it done?
Oh, and don’t forget that there are 3 branches of gov’t in this country and that even the best laid plans of Presidents often don’t see the light of day when they go through Congress. “Experience” can often cause the stumbling block, whereas someone new who has not formed major alliances may just be able to push things through.
September 3, 2008 at 7:29 am #636931
JanSParticipantJenny…this woman is NOT impressed with her. She wants to take rights away from my daughter, and her daughters, and their daughters to come. My family has great values, thank you very much. I don’t need hers.
And please tell me what exactly her definite energy goal is. I want to know, since I haven’t seen it in writing anywhere. Where sis you come across it?
September 3, 2008 at 7:36 am #636932
JanSParticipantNR… after research you are comfortable that he made the right decision? care to share that research?
And…for both Tonya and NR…as a person who posts on these forums, who would like to see a discussion based on opinion, shared facts, and not on personal traits…what the he*l do you have about JoB that you single her out and seem to be in bashing mode about her posts ? It’s more than obvious that it’s become personal for both of you, and it shows to the rest of us, even if you think you’re being impartial. Sometimes we are not what we seem until it’s pointed out. I know she doesn’t need to be defended on here…I’m not doing that. I’m just asking that you give the rest of the posters…and readers and lurkers…a break..OK?
(Sorry, TR, I just had to say it)
September 3, 2008 at 10:56 am #636933
JoBParticipantNewResident…
share away.. but i am pretty sure in the end you will find that i lambast ideas… not people.
i ironically ask if the poster has a clue what they are talking about..
i say i don’t suffer fools and that there are plenty of trolls under West Seattle bridges…
but i don’t call anyone a fool or a troll.. except maybe TheHouse.. and then only when he used to take it as it was meant.. as teasing. i don’t think he would any longer and that’s a shame.
I am a little tired of your non-stop accusations though.. if i have opinions about your character, i keep them to myself. i suspect I am not the only one who wishes you would do the same.
this really is unattractive you know.
September 3, 2008 at 4:25 pm #636934
JennyMemberRe Palin & energy: I’m not saying she’s the country’s foremost energy expert. But she is intimately familiar with energy issues – and she’s intimately familiar with the myopic view that many anti-drilling advocates have about the subject. Here’s a quick introduction to her thinking, a recent interview she did with Maria Bartiromo:
She spends the first 4 minutes explaining why ANWR is no threat to her state. But especially listen to what she says starting around 3:15. Her view of energy in general sounds a lot like McCains – and mine for that matter.
September 3, 2008 at 4:40 pm #636935
JennyMemberRe Palin & the Religious Right: As an atheist, I agree that her religious heritage is troubling. For example her answer to a question in the Gov. debate that we should “teach all theories” regarding evolution vs. intelligent design really grates at me. However, she later said she didn’t want ID added to the curriculum, and once in office she’s had ample opportunity to push the issue and she never touched it.
As for abortion: Hey, lots of people are pro-life. She’s pro-life. I’m moderately pro-life – I think personhood can’t be said to begin at least until the brain exists (8 wks), and after that point we can’t let ourselves fall into into the mode of judging whether the baby’s thoughts are sophisticated enough that they deserve our protection, b/c that way lies the death of the concept of equal protection.
So, to say that her pro-life stance should be offensive to any open-minded woman is a bit much, IMO.
In general, I think her religiosity is tempered by the fact that she’s a Western libertarian style of conservative. Remember, Western conservatives tend to be much more laissez-faire than Southern conservatives. And she’s never DONE anything that I’ve heard of, either as councilmember, mayor, or governor, that makes me think that she isn’t basically laissez-faire on the social issues.
So her religion isn’t a dealbreaker for me, unlike, say, Huckabee. Besides, McCain has already shown that he’s no theocrat: He’s explicitly said that he’s against the anti-gay marriage amendment because federalism trumps his personal views on the issue. He could easily have simply pandered on that issue, but he didn’t. Plus he understands the importance of federalism! Just like Fred Thompson did on the issue, BTW.
September 3, 2008 at 5:10 pm #636936
JenVMemberHow about Palin as a would-be book banner…and threatened the librarian with dismissal for not showing her support? This was when Palin was Mayor of the city of Wasilla.
please note- this is a librarian blog…can’t really be considered liberal trash or conservative garbage, can it? ;)
September 3, 2008 at 5:15 pm #636937
JenVMemberand here is more on that story…seems clear that she really respects personal freedom and freedom of speech…yeah, right.
The New York Times has further information on this issue today, including the news that Palin FIRED the Wasilla librarian:
“Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.
Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.
In 1996, Ms. Palin suggested to the local paper, The Frontiersman, that the conversations about banning books were “rhetorical.”
Ms. Emmons was not the only employee to leave. During her campaign, Ms. Palin appealed to voters who felt that city employees under Mr. Stein, who was not from Wasilla and had earned a degree in public administration at the University of Oregon, had been unresponsive and rigid regarding a new comprehensive development plan. In turn, some city employees expressed support for Mr. Stein in a campaign advertisement.
Once in office, Ms. Palin asked many of Mr. Stein’s backers to resign — something virtually unheard of in Wasilla in past elections. The public works director, city planner, museum director and others were forced out. The police chief, Irl Stambaugh, was later fired outright.”
September 3, 2008 at 5:27 pm #636938
JennyMemberHeh, came across this item from littlegreenfootballs (a fellow right-winger who’s not afraid of rationality & science) regarding Palin’s statements on creationism & how she has governed WRT social issues generally:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31135_Palin_Has_Not_Pushed_Creationism_As_Governor
September 3, 2008 at 5:38 pm #636939September 3, 2008 at 5:58 pm #636940
TrickParticipant“It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.”
Have you not seen her video calling for prayer to get that $30 billion dollar natural gasline built?
She’s extremely good at mixing religion with her agenda.
About the Anwar drilling.
Why don’t the Republicans discuss the 20,000 land deeds the oil companies have already? I’m sure they wouldn’t seek the millions of acres they have rights to drill, if it didn’t have oil.
If you really need oil, why haven’t they drilled on those already contracted parcels yet?
She’s a train wreck with multiple issues already. I’m trying to find out why the right insists on trying to sell her without letting any news organization speak with her? If she’s that talented and capable, why all the seclusion and silence then?
As one commentator put it “It’s the first time a VP has been chosen, and requires to be briefed and coached on the platform before being available for a public interview”
September 3, 2008 at 6:00 pm #636941
JennyMemberJenV, your cite highlights her dumb statement in the debate, but DOESN’T MENTION what the LGF article does – that she later said she DID NOT think ID should go in the curriculum, nor does it mention that she NEVER DID ANYTHING to promote ID/creationism as mayor nor as governor.
Here’s the AP article that LGF quotes from:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gV5jvU52RD3WBflzbmSu5l6zwOqAD92V3VQG0
Notice esp. this part of the AP article:
Neither have Palin’s socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska’s chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.
“She has basically ignored social issues, period,” said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.
September 3, 2008 at 6:10 pm #636942
charlabobParticipantOops that’s probably really going to depress the base, isn’t it. :-)
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