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October 23, 2011 at 9:11 pm #600990
Betty TMemberA call came out a while ago that Nickelsville was out of water! My daughter made a water run but not enough. I’ll take maybe 9 gallons in a while, just thimble full in a washtub actually, but that’s all the jugs I could scrounge up. Would highly appreciate any help anyone could give.
October 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm #738136
Betty TMemberSorry for the double post.
October 24, 2011 at 5:12 pm #738137
DBPMemberBetty: Thanks for everything you do for Nickelsville.
I assume you’ve already contacted people at City Hall about getting a permanent water hook-up for N-ville. Right?
When I was there for the City Council Grand Tour & Photo-op last summer, getting a permanent water hook-up to N-ville was mentioned repeatedly by residents, and the councilmembers who were on the tour* all nodded their heads in agreement.
Or at least, I thought that’s what they were nodding about. Maybe they were really just nodding out of politeness, like Japanese imperial officials who bow their heads in seeming agreement when what they really mean is: “Screw you, running dog!”
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*Sally Bagshaw
Sally Clark
Nick Licata
Tom Rasmussen
Rasmussen and Clark are both running for re-election. Perhaps now would be a good time to remind them to get off their asses and do the right thing for Nickelsville.
October 25, 2011 at 1:42 am #738138
JoBParticipantDP..
Nick licata is pushing an option tomorrow (Tuesday ) that would allocate eventual funding for water and sewer at Nivkelsville but even that long shot won’t provide immediate water.
There is no more water guy at nickelsville ..just a patchwork of volunteers who fill as many 5 gal jugs at a time as they can.
We really need to put pressure on the council to get a temporary tank out there.
October 25, 2011 at 2:14 am #738139
jissyParticipantWhat happened to “BK”??
October 25, 2011 at 3:23 am #738140
kootchmanMemberWe have WA National Guard units, and Army Reserve units throughout WA state.. M149 “water buffalos”.. surely there are some around allocated for civil defense needs? Can’t Licata get one from the state for TDY? We have/had a gravel fund at Hotwire… this is on Craigslist … cheap solution
October 25, 2011 at 3:46 am #738141
velo_nutParticipantAre there any rain collection units down there?
October 25, 2011 at 4:06 am #738142
jamjetsParticipantJissy, here is the short version: We kept NV “in” 120 gallons a day for the months of June, July and August. Special thanks went out to Kim and others who filled in while we were out of state for 2 weeks in late July.
I have not been to the camp in a while due to other committments and do not know where their water has been coming from lately.
There is city water 200 feet from the camp. Citizen volunteers delivering water in jugs is not a sustainable source for a basic need like water, and the city should at least allow a garden hose to be run to the camp.
BK
October 25, 2011 at 4:13 am #738143
DBPMemberWe really need to put pressure on the council to get a temporary tank out there.
Absolutely! If you can get the Council to put a tank there then you’re getting them to start taking more responsibility. Once you get that, then all it takes is a nudge to get a regular water hook-up. Once you get the water, it’s just a small step to a supply of electricity. And from there another small step to permanent structures (with roofs and heat) for everyone.
Why is the City dragging its feet on this? The residents and SHARE/WHEEL have already done most of the work. To me it seems like a water and electric hook-up would be the easy part.
JoB if you want to work up some language that people could give the Council / Mayor’s Office when they call, that might help . . .
October 25, 2011 at 4:17 am #738144
miwsParticipantBetty, thank you for putting out the call for water.
Shortly after you stopped by this evening, somebody dropped off several cases of bottled water. (I believe I heard around 30 cases!)
I didn’t see who the donor was, so don’t know if it was one of our regular donors or not.
Mike
October 25, 2011 at 4:25 am #738145
kootchmanMemberPlease, please.. when you all pillory the deep dark heart of conservatives…this is our poster child… how asinine is this? Open the water spigot you stupid asses! Gonna vote for Licata for this result? McGinn is too busy painting green boxes on Capitol Hill streets. Putz.
October 25, 2011 at 4:34 am #738146
kootchmanMemberAnd you know what makes it even more irksome? It’s demeaning to the residents who have to hover between need and tiptoe to not offend or create ripples. Mike I am sorry… but it is so disheartening to see this forced lack of dignity. Occupy Seattle my ass… yessuh masta
October 25, 2011 at 5:50 am #738147
KevinParticipantAgreed that the city should be helping, but in the meantime, how about a water fund?
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Here is just one company that supplies potable water.
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http://www.waterbuffaloinc.com/services_offered.php
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http://www.waterbuffaloinc.com/water_trailers.php
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Likewise, perhaps an in-kind out and out donation, or asking for a generous discount from one of the major bottled water suppliers?
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Geez, down by Auburn, there is a huge FEMA storage lot with all sorts of equipment sitting idle.
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October 25, 2011 at 6:08 am #738148
KevinParticipantBack when I was a youngster, there used to be “trick-or-treating for UNICEF. I wonder if it is too late to put together a “trick-or-water” for Nickelsville campaign?
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What if young children were to visit local politician’s homes asking for spare change for Nickelsville?
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Perhaps a busload of children all dressed up in their costumes paying a visit to city hall with empty plastic cups and water bottles?
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Seems to me that the city takes better care of poor lost and abandoned strays residing at animal control. At least THEY GET water.
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October 25, 2011 at 9:01 am #738149
HMC RichParticipantKevin, you are probably right but I doubt FEMA (Federal) would get involved in a local issue.
I have been away for a bit. I am not up to speed on what is going on in Nickelsville. What is the main hope for the residents inhabiting Nickelsville now that the weather is getting worse?
October 25, 2011 at 4:47 pm #738150
KevinParticipantJust had a nice call Tuesday morning with the folks at Water Buffalo Inc.
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A 1200 gallon tank of clean drinking water runs about $800 per week. Certainly not sustainable for ever, but perhaps a thought as a temporary solution until the city is able to step in.
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Just $10 per week if 80 individuals were willing to contribute.
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At the $20 level, only 40 folks would be needed.
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The Water Buffalo quote is just one quote. There could be companies that can offer a better rate?
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October 25, 2011 at 6:47 pm #738151
DBPMemberThere is nothing wrong with people devoting their time, energy, and money to helping Nickelsville. That’s all to the good. But if that’s ALL you do for NV – and you NEVER take any kind of political action in support of the place – then the long-term result of your help may actually be the opposite of what you intended.
Think about it: If the City sees NV getting along fine with citizen support alone, why should they step in with a water hook-up? (One might even ask: Why isn’t the water hooked up already?)
The end result of the residents’ generosity combined with the City’s inaction will be this, that when West Seattle is feeling generous, Nickelsville will have enough water and everything will be great. But when West Seattle is feeling apathetic — or when the JoBs and the Bettys aren’t around to spearhead stuff — then Nickelsville will suffer.
Is that what you want?
So yeah, help out with the water. But don’t spend too much time jerry-rigging a temporary water solution when your time would be better spent pressuring City Hall to just go ahead and approve a damn water hookup.
Once again, I’m with kootchman on this. If “Occupy Seattle” wanted to see some real change, right now, they would all move down to City Hall with “Dignity for Nickelsville” signs.
For that matter, NV residents could be doing that too. But I can see how they might be a bit . . . um . . . skittish.
So that’s where we come in.
October 25, 2011 at 7:01 pm #738152
Betty TMemberEverybody keep the ideas and suggestions coming. Never know what might work. I don’t know about sources for water but if I did would certainly throw a suggestion out there.
MIWS—I saw the cases of bottled water come in as we were leaving. I’ve seen the man before but don’t know if he’s there regularly or not. I took about 24 gal. last night and brought 12 empties home. Linda saves jugs for me and others need to know that. Be sure they fill the large containers so we can reuse jugs.
The gravel really looks great! Big improvement. Nickelsville keep up the good work!!
October 25, 2011 at 8:01 pm #738153
miwsParticipant*Plants a big ol’ sloppy kiss on Betty’s cheek ;-)*
I was among a group of several people living at Nickelsville, as well as some others representing SHARE, that appeared this morning at a meeting of the city Council’s Special Budget Committee.
I was one of three speaking on behalf of NV, two
others spoke on behalf of SHARE.
The talking point I came up with was:
Our needs are over 100 gallons of water per day at Nickelsville.
Currently, supportive West Seattle Neighbors provide what they can, when they can.
We need a steady, reliable source of water for hygiene purposes, and to ensure we have plenty of water to drink.
It was a bit more concise than I would have preferred, but there was a pretext that I had to say, and we were under a time limit on comments.
Mike
October 25, 2011 at 8:08 pm #738154
chrismaParticipantGreg Jacobsen, owner of Jacobsen Marine, is the person responsible for the property taxes on the building directly adjacent to the Nickelsville camp. I provided this information to the Nickelsville staff in the summer and don’t know if anyone tried to make contact with him, or not.
I had thought, perhaps a water hose connection could be made from that building to the camp, since it wouldn’t have to cross any streets, presuming Mr. Jacobsen was amenable to such an arrangement, and payment for the water charges could be secured (either from the NV residents or their supporters in the community -certainly would be cheaper than trucking water in).
Ideally, someone who knows Mr. Jacobsen, or who shares a social circle with him (Northwest Grady White Owner’s Club, anyone?) would approach him about this. I’m six degrees away from this person, so I’m putting this out there to the NV supporters in WSB land to see if any of you are closer. If so, and you’re willing to approach him, that would be great.
If I don’t hear from anyone in the next 24 hours, I’m going to go down to his shop and see if I can make contact with him.
However, I agree with DBP about pressuring the city to step up and take some responsibility for addressing the needs at NV. This possible solution does nothing to force our city politicians to address this issue.
October 25, 2011 at 8:16 pm #738155
oddrealityParticipantThe Occupy movement appears to be for changes on a national level. If you want a local level movement it needs to be started locally. I am guessing here as I am not involved in it but do support it.
I still wonder why people are trying so hard to get Nickelsville permanently set up in a contaminated field when the original plan was to move it to an actual empty building?Wasn’t that the city’s plan??? Seems a building would be so much better in inclement weather than a field.Maybe not, maybe they like living in the field better.
October 26, 2011 at 4:43 am #738156
Betty TMemberThis is where they started and they’re tired of being chased out, but nobody has come forward with any building or buildings. They feel fairly safe there and have there own security crew 24 hrs daily. Safer than on a street or under a bridge. I know people who drive by there a lot and don’t even know they are there. A person can only make the best of what they have and they’re trying. All the woodchips and gravel has helped emensely with the mud issue. All shoveled and moved by manpower.
MiWS– What did the council have to say to your comments? I know it’s been discussed with them before and no results.
October 26, 2011 at 4:56 am #738157
Betty TMemberODDREALTY–I just went back and read through the posts again.In the first place I’m not a driver and not young either! There are people who can lead at Nickelsville. They’re well spoken and know exactly how to speak for what they want. If I were 20 or even 10 years younger I’d go to the city too. So–I do what little I”m able to and have to ask for rides to do it. Are we supposed to not take water and let the pregnant woman end up in the hospital from dehydration? Not!
October 26, 2011 at 5:00 am #738158
Betty TMemberoddreality Sorry about the misspell, tried to correct it. Apologies.
October 26, 2011 at 5:06 am #738159
miwsParticipantBetty, they didn’t reply directly to our comments, but the same three; Licata, Bagshaw, and O’Brien still *seem* to be supportive.
Bagshaw re-iterated how impressed she was at the level of organization down here, and Licata commented on the importance of getting water down here.
Mike
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