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December 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm #781084
I just called NV and left my number again. Hopefully, someone will contact me this time. I think my biggest concern besides what the goats are eating and shelter is the training of the herders and vet care.
Lots to know about goats. LOL!!!December 28, 2012 at 11:17 pm #781085
Was that the agreement? Did the person who provided the goats say she would be responsible for food? I’ve gone back to last year’s discussion and didn’t see that come up. I hope you get a call Talaki. I also worry about their hooves in mud. And what happens to them when the camp floods?December 29, 2012 at 12:32 am #781086
it is my understanding that the goat pen did not flood although i will confess that i did not personally check to verify that.December 29, 2012 at 12:34 am #781087
btw.. typically, the goats get better care at Nickelsville than the people.
i don’t know how the blackberry mowing intention worked out,
but i do know the goats are .. or at least were last time i visited Nickelsville.. well cared for.December 29, 2012 at 12:57 am #781088
wow…everyone once more ready to jump on NV, and they shouldn’t have this, or shouldn’t have that. If you have not been down there, as I haven’t lately, then perhaps you need to refrain from negative comments. Give them the benefit of the doubt, as you would want for yourself.
It seems to me the goats are being taken care of, have survived for quite some time (last time I saw them was a year and a half ago, so they’ve managed until now)December 29, 2012 at 1:02 am #781089
oh, and NV is not shutting down, as far as I know…see https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/remember-nickelsville#post-391564
post 48December 29, 2012 at 1:02 am #781090
It does not matter how well they cared for, we all need to think LONG term. What is going to happen with the goats when the camp shuts down.
HHDecember 29, 2012 at 1:05 am #781091December 29, 2012 at 1:11 am #781092
HELP! I was informed a short while ago that I’m accused of calling the goats malnutritioned. Does anyone of you posting here see me saying any such thing?? I’ve refused to be involved in anything except relaying information and connecting Talaki34 with a person who offered to haul the hay! Now we’re looking at someone wanting to bring in someone to “investigate”. The accusations against me had best be withdrawn or I’m gone!December 29, 2012 at 1:33 am #781093
I don’t see any mention of that term, Betty, so I wouldn’t let yourself get too worked up. As far as the life of the camp, Jan, speaking for myself anyway, I’ve seen it mentioned in several spots that even NV itself acknowledges that its time is limited. I’ll have to get off of my ittybitty keyboard to find the links, but a couple of references that come to mind – an HPAC meeting and a story about the property and Food Lifeline.December 29, 2012 at 1:37 am #781094
Betty, I’m so sorry to hear this…it’s getting way out of hand, and shouldn’t be happening. Seems to me, some people with an additional beef about NV have jumped on this and carried it too far. You were just a go between, nothing more. My suggestion? Ignore them. Period. They do more harm than good.
To whoever out there is doing this, Betty is one of the kindest, upstanding volunteers at NV. She makes them a meal for lunch on Saturday’s, every Saturday…and does it out of the goodness of her heart. So leave her alone. What good does it do anyone if she stops doing this?December 29, 2012 at 1:40 am #781095
GenHill1..HPAC has been after them from the beginning…and yes, there is that Food Lifeline thing…but there is nothing written in stone yet…shutting down is not imminent.December 29, 2012 at 2:53 am #781096
Pamela, if you have a problem with NV having goats, take it up with Nickelsville Staffer Scott Morrow at 206-450-9136.
Lotsa luck getting a call back, as folks that want to donate often have issues of not hearing back from him.
This is (likely) all that I will be saying on this topic right now, as I am livid that such a wonderful Camp Supporter/Donor/Advocate, and personal friend is having to go through this bullshit.
MikeDecember 29, 2012 at 2:59 am #781097
Homeless people shouldn’t have pets at all. They can’t take care of themselves much less a pet. Animals with homeless people starve a lot longer and die faster. Most shelters won’t allow animals in. It is abuse to put your dog or whatever onto the street with you everyday. You should have someone care for it while you get your own act together. No daily fresh food or water for the animal is abuse. Seeing homeless people abusing their animals in the cold makes me pissed off. I’ve seen homeless teens with pitbulls bite and taught each other in downtown. The goats should be taken in by somebody. Now they are begging for food for the goats.December 29, 2012 at 3:09 am #781098
Betty – I think I may be the culprit. If I am I am sorry. I did call NV to try to get a hold of someone responsible for the goats and asked for a call back, which Diane did and we had a nice chat. I also asked if it was ok for me to come down to see the goats so I might have a better idea of what was needed. I think that the person I spoke with may have interpreted my desire to help as more of an intrusion or accusation that all was not well. I did mention that I am theone who brought the food in. If this was the catalyst for the accusations against you, I am sorry. I really didn’t just want to barge in unannounced so I was trying to make an appointment of sorts.
My offer to buy several bales of hay stands if they still need it. My participation at NV ends there. I do suggest someone speaks with Diane to see if she would be receptive to some outside support. I would recommend it be a person who is very knowledgeable about the care of goats and has a real desire to help ensure Diane has all the help and info she needs. Diane sounds like she really cares about her charges. A good place to start I think would be a place like http://www.goatsave.org/.
I would also like to say that NV really has to look long term when it comes to the goats. Unless they already have a place that can readily take them in should their circumstances change, I think having some kind of emergency plan is a good idea. In Jan, I am doing one for my cat Boo Boo.
Any who, I am done. Roasted and toasted.December 29, 2012 at 3:20 am #781099
Talaki34, said her self there needs to be a back up plan, she just said it nicer than I did. LOL
As for Betty , NO ONE said anything bad about you at all in this thread.
Mike trust me I know ALL about scott.December 29, 2012 at 4:04 am #781100
The comment wasn’t on the Blog. It apparently came from a person who talked with Talaki34. It was like how dare your mom say on the Blog that the goats had malnutrition. I knew it wasn’t anyone on the Blog but thanks for evrybody’s support. I’m sure my daughter will handle her end of it.
Iit irritates me that a simple request for help ends in a major discussion about how bad Nickelsville is. How animals don’t belong there and homeless people shouldn’t have pets.December 29, 2012 at 4:30 am #781101
Out of respect for Betty, I’m editing out my last post from this thread. To view that post, please go to the “Remember Nickelsville” thread (#50). It’s about the Nickelsville timeline.
Thanks.December 29, 2012 at 7:42 am #781102
junction hero…have yu been to NV? do yu know for a fact that the people there abuse their animals? That the animals don’t get food or water? Heck, the people have to rely on others for their food, too. So before you condemn these people to having one less thing, I suggest you go check it out. May be an eye opener. (I will give you that I have not visited there in quite some time because I have been in ill health, and immune system is down).
wow…it was just a request for food for the goats, who have been taken very good care of (grammar?). It has escalated far beyond that…’tis still the season, folks…can it wait until next week? Please?December 29, 2012 at 7:58 am #781103
None of the animals are neglected or mistreated in NV. They have water. There is a bottled water company delivering many 5 gal jugs on a regular bases. I doubt anyone in NV asked them to. They do not beg for anything and in fact are not allowed to even bum a cigarette from a donor or visitor. They could get barred. Dog and cat food are donated to them. Neither dogs or cats are allowed to run loose in camp, they’re all on leashes. Dogs are well behaved. There is a Pet Coordinator in charge. Have you ever thought that a homeless person with a dog has protection, besides another warm body for company? Nickelodians DO NOT BEG! The call to me regarding hay came from another donor.
I’ve gained a lot of knowledge about the homeless since I came to Seattle 7 years ago. Even more since becoming aquainted with Nickelodians.
You think the homeless shouldn’t have pets? What about some of the people in houses who don’t take proper care of their pets? Granted a lot do but there are those out there? Some are let to run loose, some never are let outdoors for exercise.
Teens with pitbulls aren’t a fair example. Too many young people now consideer a mean pitbull a great thing to have. They shouldn’t even have them. My own personal opinion is nobody should have them.December 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm #781104
Sigh. This is definitely ridiculous. I agree with Hammerhead and Talaki34 – long term needs to be in the forefront. When IT does eventually happen and IT will…..ugh.December 29, 2012 at 6:37 pm #781105
Baaaaaaaaaaa! I’m hungry this morning where’s my damn hay you worthless people!December 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm #781106December 29, 2012 at 7:48 pm #781107
ARGH!! Pitbulls are NOT mean by nature..they are made that way by crappy owners..very few are born nasty just like all other breeds of dog. Agree that some young men should never own them.They should not own any dog.Lots of people should not own any dog or any sort of pet they treat them so badly.
Not that this has anything to do with the conversation about animals at NV but I hate to see anyone denigrate an entire breed based on what they see in the media or maybe met one owned by some kid that should never have any dog at all and treats it poorly to make it act mean.Most pitbulls are fabulous dogs and do not deserve their reputation at all.
***MIWS..do you remember Bubba ,Lily and Rooter?? Our dogs back in the day?? They were Staffordshire Bull Terriers now known as Pits even though smaller they look alike and are basically the same breed.They were the best dogs ever ..not scary at all.Gentle and kind.I miss them.We have never had a dog since as wonderful and kind as they were. ***
On topic.I do think homeless people should be allowed to have pets.Dogs at least – not so sure I think cats are good idea in an encampment but so many out there needing homes they may as well stay with their owners if possible.We all need companions and who are we to say they should not have one? As long as it is well treated, fed and kept as safe as possible it should be ok. However.. they should never be left/dumped when someone moves on. Are there cats at the NV site that were left and now living off the land?? That to me would be a huge problem.
NV is a nightmare site and to me no living thing should be there.The land not the actual encampment.December 29, 2012 at 8:08 pm #781108
Were you to be forced into similar circumstances with nowhere to live — would you prefer one of the greenbelts where there is no help and someone could come in and beat and rob you at anytime?
The homeless need to be recognized as people and not a bothersome group to be swept away with the trash!
As to the animals–there is alot of comfort for the homeless in a pet to hold , pet and talk to.
The same is true of the handicapped and seniors for their companionship. At NV the cats are kept on leash and they often carry them around, not allowed to run free.
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