Mormon Critical of Rmoney Threatened With Excommunication

[DBP]

Thank you, Mr. F. I look forward to many a warm, curmudgeonly night by the fire with you this winter.

Now can you speak to mr. r/b for me? Check out his logic in that last post. I skewer the Republican nominee Mitt Romney for his lack of brains and somehow this guy still thinks I’m a Republican sympathizer. He then restates my point, namely, that we shouldn’t be taking Mitt Romney seriously.

RubberBoy, how do you do it?

You’d better be careful with that contortionist routine, dude. Yer gonna throw yer back out.

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[NFiorentini]

DBP-Whoa there! You haven’t convinced me that you’re not a “Republican sympathizer.” That ball is still on the fair side of the foul line. That’s what I meant about “balancing-of-the-scales.” You may not be a Republican, but you sometimes seem Republican-ish.

But no one’s perfect, right? ;)

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[redblack]

DP: you can skewer any politician for his or her lack of brains. that’s cherry-picking.

the challenge is to tell me why lord willard is or isn’t an idiot.

a sense of conviction – in any direction – would help.

i’m not saying you don’t dislike lord willard and other reagan acolytes, but what exactly are you for? do you have any opinions that aren’t based on other peoples’ opinions?

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[DBP]

>>do you have any opinions that aren’t based on other peoples’ opinions?

–Dude, you insult me. Which is karmically great, because I insult you, too. But please, from now on, try to insult me with a little more panache, will you? I feel the spark going out of our relationship.

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Now then . . . here’s a couple of items I created and posted on the Blog specially for the Patty Murray/Dino Rossi Senate contest back in 2010:

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I have to admit that these weren’t based on my own opinions. ‘Cuz, as we know, I don’t have any of those.

Fortunately, that is not a problem. See, whenever I feel like having an opinion, I simply call upon my local Democratic Party Spokesweenie (aka redblack), and ask him what opinions the Democratic Party is currently endorsing.

Then I just choose from one of those. :-)

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[NFiorentini]

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny stuff right there!

A *very* belated “Good jorb,” DBP!

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[DBP]

Now then, I suppose it’s true that people on this blog have grown frustrated with me for my relentless criticism of Patty Murray and her continued support of the military-industrial complex and of our glorious wars in the Middle East.

And here I’m afraid I’ll have to plead guilty as charged. You see, it’s true. I haven’t been at all balanced in my criticism. I’ve put all the blame on Washington State’s Democratic Senators and none on her Republican ones.

But let me assure you that there’s a reason for that. What do you suppose it could be?

(Take all the time you need to think this one through, folks. I’m not going anywhere.)

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[redblack]

DP: in the past few weeks, i’ve watched you skewer obama on a number of issues. but the harshest you’ve been to lord willard is, “he’s just not that bright.”

and look at how this thread started: you attacked an article as speculative that explains how a member of LDS criticized lord willard, despite the fact that LDS has, indeed, scheduled the guy’s excommunication. and you attacked NF as possibly being an anti-mormon bigot when there was no reason to conclude anything of the sort.

seems to me like you defend lord willard every time someone starts a thread that criticizes him – like harry reid did. (yes, i know harry reid didn’t start the thread. smitty did.)

reid: “hey, where are lord willard’s tax records?”

DP: “where are your tax records, harry?”

then there’s the thread about how obama appointed a couple of goldman sachs guys, and you roasted him, despite the fact that lord willard’s policies – or lack thereof – will likely undo any attempts democrats have made to regulate wall street. and he definitely wants to take a meat axe to the taxes imposed on the upper classes.

then there’s the “when NOT to apologize” thread.

then there’s the thread where you dissected a rachel maddow blog piece for 2,000 words – without really saying anything.

yeah, you like to “zero right in” on strident liberal speech, but ko0tch gets away with “imam obama” all day long. JV gets all of the verbal potshots in that he can manage. HMC parrots republican talking points and cites opinion pieces as fact.

and you accuse me of being a mouthpiece for the DNC and the obama reelection campaign, when in fact, i read very few opinion pieces. the things that i post about tax fairness and republican zealotry and teabaggers – that’s all from the hip. but if my posts sound like DNC talking points to you, well… maybe i should be suing them for copyright infringement.

at least no one is unclear on where i stand.

what the hell am i supposed to think here? your posts seem to be saying, “don’t vote for obama” and and ask us to just “dig ourselves” when we show a little emotion or occasional irrationality. i think your posts leave most people with the impression that you believe that lord willard is a viable alternative who should be considered seriously.

is that the case? or not? based on your posts in these fora, i can’t discern. criticizing dino rossi three or four years ago doesn’t tell me a thing about who you’re voting for – or why – for POTUS in 2012.

because by all means, if you’re going third party, let’s have it out on the table.

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[redblack]

and if going to war – or ending wars – is your core issue, you need to look at who lord willard intends to put in his war cabinet.

yeah, maybe obama isn’t doing enough quickly enough to stop the wars. but i believe he’s trying like hell not to get us into new ones.

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[DBP]

Perhaps you’ll remember this one. It’s from my chart-topping album: “DBP Sings the Gospel Favorites.”

The OP was about whether President Obama had the right to mandate birth-control coverage, and my position was that he not only had the legal right but the moral right as well.

As part of my argument, I pointed out that the Catholic Church was in decline as a result of the Pope’s retrograde stance on birth control and other social issues. The kootchman then made one of his typically obtuse rejoinders, namely, that the Church was actually growing, in terms of the number of Catholics that were out there.

To which I replied:

I didn’t say the Catholic Church was declining in absolute numbers. I said the Church (read: the Vatican) was declining in moral influence among the so-called faithful. Which it is.

In fact, it’s probably at an all-time low, and for good reason. At a time when children are starving to death because their parents can’t feed them, it is a shameful thing for the Pope or ANYONE ELSE to say to these people: “You shouldn’t use contraception, because it’s against God’s will. You should be having MORE babies, not fewer.”

There are only three possible conclusions to be drawn from a statement like that:

1) God doesn’t want people to have sex unless they intend to have a baby every time they do.

2) God wants children to starve to death.

3) The Pope is a fool.

Now then . . . Knowing what I know about God, and knowing what I know about the Pope, I’m going to have go with #3.

Source: https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/feds-overstepping-the-constitution (Post #19)

Now there I was, calling the Pope a fool. And not just that; I also spelled out WHY he’s a fool.

Needless to say, k-man was NOT amused.

But I suppose some fiendish little jack-inna-box is gonna pop up here and go:

Now wait just a dang minute, DBP. ANYONE can call the Pope a fool, no? And ANYONE can say WHY he’s a fool, too, no?

How do we know you’re not really some kind of pope-loving, crytpo-Catholic who’s secretly on the RNC payroll? Huh? Huh?

Sheesh!

No, wait! Don’t tell me!

Go back and get the broomstick, right?

Riiiiiiiight . . .

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[DBP]

Dudes. Check it out. More fawning Republicanism by yours truly:

Sometimes I wonder whether the DNC isn’t actually managing the Republican Presidential effort. I mean . . . who else could have picked such an unelectable bunch of wannabes?

I’m not saying Republican candidates are dumb or evil, or anything like that. But if politics were a TV show (which it is) Obama would be the Super Bowl and Republicans would be the beer commercials.

Oh, Ron Paul has some interesting theories, I suppose. But he’s rather shrill. And he’s too much of an idealogue for the average American anyway. (As we know, Americans prefer candidates with simplistic slogans like “Hope” and “Change” to candidates who exhort them to “Read the Constitution.”)

Rick Santorum is a good speaker, but his religious politics and reflexively pro-business voting record put him at odds with the majority of Americans.

Perry? -No. His Religious Right connections will sink him. If there’s anything worse than an idealogue, it’s a religious zealot. The Iowa poll will turn out to be the kiss-of-death for him.

Bachman? -Nope. Same as Perry. Religious zealot.

Gingrich? -Huh-uh. He’s old news. Plus, he’s seen as corrupt. And a hack.

Romney might be able to give Obama a run for his money. If he can just deflect the Mormon question. (Yes. It matters.)

Unfortunately, Romney doesn’t have that much to brag about in Pennsylvania. And what he does have (health care reform) actually looks a lot like the Obama’s brag sheet. So to stay real, Romney will have to steer clear of his record or anything else of substance. And this is NOT a winning strategy for an OUTsider, unless the INsider is a big-time screw-up, which Obama isn’t.

So Romney’s about it for the Republicans, I’m afraid. At this point, he’s the only one I see who even comes close to being a brand-name candidate.

The others are just too . . . well . . . off-brand.

Source: https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/and-then-there-was-perry (#41)

Now please re-read the penultimate paragraph, and as you do so note that I penned these words over a year ago, when the so-called race still sort of looked like one. (It played well in Peoria anyway.)

Then a few months after I wrote this, El Dobro comes on the forum and goes, “It’s gonna be Romney! You heard it here first!”

And I’m like . . . whuuuuuhhhh?

Heard it from YOU first?

I just had to smile at that one. I thought, who does this puppy think he’s kiddin’ with his “you heard it here first”? We didn’t even hear about Romney from ME first, dude. Not even close. Other people been sayin’ it all along.

But was I pissed when dobro said that? Naw, I wasn’t pissed. I just took it as another proof of the old adage that some people are so broke they can’t even pay ATTENTION.

Especially the ones who rag on me.

 

 

And now people think I’m a Republican.

What the fook is wrong with everyone all of a sudden? Is it something in the water? Are your brains overloaded from all the political stimulation?

Is it The Hum?

 

 

Maybe it’s one of those Human Condition things, you know? Like, if someone says something you wanna hear – something that confirms your existing view of the world – then yeah, you might just remember that they said it. But more likely, all you’ll remember is that you LIKE this person, ‘cuz that’s all you really needed to know about them anyway, isn’t it? It’s like dogs doing the mutual hiney sniff. Let’s see if we’re both on the same side now, ‘kay?

But Heaven help the one who says something that challenges your worldview, because obviously that person is The Enemy.

Is this not what’s been going on here? I mean, I know that I’ve said things to offend people. Yeah, so what? It’s me, Notorious D.B.P.

But as the election draws close, suddenly you think I’ve always been in league with the Devil just ‘cuz I repeat what I’ve been saying about the Democratic Party all along? (That they go in for corporate sluttery.)

Excuse me. And suddenly this is NEWS to you guys?

Like, was there maybe somebody living in a yurt somewhere who didn’t already KNOW that the Democratic Party is merely the left wing of corporate capitalism?

C’mon, dudes. Get real and start paying attention. You don’t have that much time left.

Read the history books.

Read the newspapers.

Look around.

Think.

I know that Hope is a great thing and all.

Just don’t let it go to your heads.

Again.

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[JoB]

this could have been an interesting discussion about whether a church crosses the line between church and state by excommunicating it’s members based on their political opinions…

sadly.. it wasn’t.

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[redblack]

But as the election draws close, suddenly you think I’ve always been in league with the Devil just ‘cuz I repeat what I’ve been saying about the Democratic Party all along? (That they go in for corporate sluttery.)

see, that’s the thing. i still don’t have a clue where you stand or who you’re inclined to vote for.

now, you might be one of those old school americans who takes his voting records to his grave. and i respect that.

but go back and re-read post 13 by fiorentini. i’m not the only one who has trouble getting an answer out of you.

i guess what i’m saying is that you seem to enjoy staying slightly above the fray, claiming moral superiority, being impervious to criticism, and never really investing anything emotional in this conversation.

so i’m just gonna come right out and ask:

so, DP, who are you going to vote for for president? who ya’ liking so far and why?

how about governor? inslee looks a little slow-witted next to mckenna in a debate, but mckenna is a snake in the grass. what’s your opinion?

does cantwell deserve reelection, in your opinion? why or why not?

thanks, and have a nice day.

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[DBP]

Jane! Stop this crazy thing!

—George Jetson, 1962

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[NFiorentini]

“Don’t believe everything that you read on the Internet.”

-Abraham Lincoln, 1862

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[DBP]

Oh, look! Here’s another one from the Crypto-publican File . . .

https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/romney-red-carpet-photos-by-dbp

And here’s the journal entry I recorded for that day:

This morning I went into “deep cover” and infiltrated a group of protesters. They were en route to the “Belly of the Beast” where Dear Leader was having his fundraiser.

In order to maintain my disguise I had to smoke a “joint” curse a lot and generally act like I was very much into the whole “free love” thing.

Well I must’ve been pretty convincing because at the end of the march they dragged me up on the stage and someone shoved a megaphone into my hand. I don’t know if it was the joint talking or what, but in that moment I felt really . . . inspired.

“Off the Cows!” I screamed. But I guess that wasn’t the right thing, cuz the crowd got real quiet.

 

“We’re vegans,” said a girl in the front row.

 

(Damn! And it was that hot little co-ed, too. The one I’d been chatting up all day.)

 

 

“Hey, I still wanna stand with you and Planned Parenthood,” I told her at the coffee shop later. “I would never EVER try to take away your birth control.”

“Can’t I stand with you some more? Just for a little while? Please? Pleeeeeeeez?”

But it was no use. She just kept piddling with that damn thingamajobber of hers and talking about someplace else she was supposed to be.

 

 

So much for “free love.”

 

 

   

 

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[redblack]

come on. just say it: “i’m voting for obama.”

you know you want to.

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[DBP]

From a thread started on July 28 by DannyQ:

Danny . . . I agree with you on two counts.

1) I want Obama to be re-elected.

2) I believe he WILL be re-elected.

Having said that, I want to raise two other issues.

First, I think it’s going to be a close race, and that will be good for American democracy. Obama has disappointed people on many fronts, and it would send the wrong message to him and the Democratic Party if we were to reward him with a landslide. That would be like giving a kid an A+ just for handing in a paper, when what he really deserves is a C-. Barely passing.

Finally, and most important, I want to say that I think Mitt Romney is a good man and a worthy Presidential candidate. If times were a bit different, I can see myself voting for the guy.

Source: https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/uh-oh-politics (#4)

But I guess I didn’t make it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that I’ll be voting for Obama, so here:

    I, DBP, will vote for Barack Obama for President in November.

There. Satisfied? Now then, having confirmed that, I should also confirm – as if you didn’t know it already – that I’m going to keep holding Obama’s feet to the fire through November and beyond.

What people always seem to forget whenever the election circus rolls into town is that we don’t work for these clowns – they work for US. But Mr. Obama really hasn’t been working for us lately, see? No indeed. Not for you. Not for me. And God knows, not for kootchman.

If there was ever a time to remind Obama about his poor performance, it’s right now. But if all you radical union guys, feminists, and Internet in-tell-EK-shoo-alls are still too afraid to stand up to this guy, then fine. I guess I’ll just have to keep doin’ it myself.

“Do the right thing, son.”

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[HMC Rich]

Liberals arguing (I mean discussing loudly, then slamming the other side) is much more fun to read than Republicans arguing. Most Republicans agree with each other so there isn’t much to monitor.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. But Mitt Romney did not sanction this charge of apostacy. I don’t like what the elders of the Church of LDS are doing to that Blogger. But You are smearing all Mormons. Not very “tolerant” NF. In fact to please your new Dem brothers and sisters, you shout to the world how bad religion is. That is your problem. But there is hope.

I am glad you caught a clue on your tone. A bit over the top but we neo-cons expect bloviating and demogaging from former Republicans who over compensate once they decide to have an opinion that mirrors the attacking style of their leftist comrades.

At some point you may moderate your tone, but your flamethrowing approach at times is a bit overwhelming. Just ask a couple of other posters. At least we are clear where you stand. That is a good thing.

If you really think DBP is a conservative, you are mistaken. Many accuse the right of being sheep. As many are, but do want that charge leveled at the left? I see more diversity in opinion from the left. Isn’t that a good thing? Just remember, there might be kids in the audience.

DBP can look at an issue and see both sides (and not be nasty, while slamming the opposition.)

It is not a stretch to think that many of you will vote for Obama. You are Democrats But some of you know things can be better privately and publicly. Romney has helped in both the private and public sector. Mostly private. If he had gone bankrupt, then you might have an incompetence argument but he has been very successful.

He also in Massachusetts worked with the other party. But left and right can only agree on some things. They should not go against their core beliefs. To my view, I have not seen Mr. Obama work at all with the Republicans. Your perception is most likely different.

All you are trying to do is throw mud at Romney and “Yawn” use the “he is not very intelligent” argument when you cannot for the most part defend the current President.

If Obama and his administration are sooooo intelligent, why do they always blame W or the Republican Congress (which has only held power just under two years) for their problems? Should not all of the problems be fixed since he is such a brainy dude?

We are still spending at 2009-2010 levels when Democrats controlled All OF IT. Don’t tell me it’s the Republicans fault.

I was told over and over how intelligent the new President was. How wise. If he is so smart, why are we in such a mess? Why are the debt and deficit still so high? Unemployment? Fuel prices? Food costs? Bankruptcies and forclosures. Since he is so smart he shoulda fixed all of those problems. Well he didn’t, did he.

The answer is that our President is a well spoken and reasonably intelligent guy but he has people covering his butt. He is a hardcore progressive that believes government should spread the wealth. He says some dumb things. He does some dumb things but you wouldn’t know it they way the lame stream press doesn’t report. If Dan Quayle was so stupid, what is Biden? Seriously. Let’s give people credit where they deserve it.

How about a little reality. Listen to former Democratic Pollster Pat Caddell. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/29/pat_caddell_media_have_become_an_enemy_of_the_american_people.html

Disgusting

Romney might not be very smart according to some of you but how intelligent was Fast and Furious, or Operation Castaway? That was under Obama’s tenure. Hundreds of Mexican’s dead. Blood running in the streets. Heard about Operation Castaway? Castaway gave guns to cartels in Columbia, Honduras and Puerto Rico.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/page/univision-news-investigation-operation-fast-furious-weapons-revealed-17352963

How about the rape and murder of our ambassador where the press and administration tried to blame it on a private citizens video.

The Arab Spring and a New American foreign policy of Appeasement certainly has Al Queda, Iran, Syria and other radicals just quaking in their boots. And Obama wants to give 450 million to Egypt to help them with their Muslim Brotherhood Democracy. Oh My GOD!! Give me a break.

It must be so tough being sooo intelligent Mr President. I’ll take the “dumb” guy. Where there is a Willard there is a way.

Oh, by the way. You are attacking the Church of Latter Day Saints. What makes you different from Obama attacking the Catholic Church.

Finally, This country will never be a theocracy, but the Judeo Christian ethic, which is being whittled away by anti-religion punks is paramount to the success of this country. How dare you attack any mainstream religions. Without most of the religious organizations, millions more people would be more homeless, hungry, and without hope. I am appalled at your insensitivity. Yes, those institutions have problems at times which need to be addressed. So do schools, corporations, and just about every layer of life. Embrace the good. Recognize the bad and work to make it better. You did point out a few hypocracies and I commend you for a couple of them.

I know right now I am working harder in my life than ever to survive. I get very little sleep, have less money than I have since I was much younger and full time job prospects are not great. If this is Hope and Change, it has utterly diminished my Hope in a progressive agenda pushed by Obama and I barely have enough Change for coffee once in awhile. I’ll take Willard and his rats with all of their imperfections.

Besides. I know things will not change overnight if Romney gets elected. But more of the same for the next four years is unacceptable to me.

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[JoB]

HMCRich..

i don’t understand why you would say that democrats would be happy to hear anyone bashing religion.. utter nonsense.

I have never met a more committed Christian than Jimmy Carter and he is about as democrat as you get. Read his book and even you will see that Christianity definately doesn’t exclude you from membership in the democratic party.

As for the charge that Obama isn’t willing to work with the republicans.. this liberal would charge that he spent altogether too much time trying to bring the republicans on board when he didn’t really have to to get a better health care bill passed.

you can’t work with someone who is not willing to work with you.

Your guys said it.. their main job was to make sure that Obama wouldn’t be re-elected.. and if that meant that you suffered.. well so be it.

You don’t mind suffering for what you think is a good cause, do you?

Well, i do. it’s hard to walk out my door every day and witness the suffering in Nickelsville and other places like it… even if we are doing well.

I really wish Obama was half the progressive you think he is. I would have loved to see single payer get a seat at the table when that bill was put together.

A progressive would have made sure they had a seat and pushed for single payer.

instead we got the bill Obama thought Republicans would go for because it was basically their bill to begin with… and even it gets labeled socialism:(

if you barely have change for your coffee now, what do you think you will have when Willard and his cronies get their hand in the till? You do know how he made his money, don’t you?

Step away from the tube Rich…

It will take some time, but your ability to reason will return…

honest…

and think of all the free time you will have to do something that actually benefits you…

like sleep.

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[NFiorentini]

HMC-I’ll type slowly so that you can follow along.

1) The “tone” that I apologized for was in regards to DBP. I take back nothing that I said critical of your mythology/superstition and the Rape-lubican Party.

2) HMC prattles…

“Finally, This country will never be a theocracy, but the Judeo Christian ethic, which is being whittled away by anti-religion punks is paramount to the success of this country. How dare you attack any mainstream religions.”

There is so much bull in this statement that I don’t really know where to begin. I think that I put up enough evidence to illustrate that there are GOPers who are working their damnedest to institute Fundie theocracy.

The Right just looooooves to talk about “liberty” and “freedom,” but the cold, hard truth is that it really should be spelled “freedom*” and “liberty*” (with the asterisks, much like Barry Bonds’ home run record).

It’s “freedom*” and “liberty*”…CERTAIN EXCLUSIONS APPLY…CHECK WITH YOUR SUPERNATURAL MYSTIC (PASTOR, PRIEST, CLERGY, ETC).

You’re ticked about what I wrote…well guess what, Buckaroo…I’m ticked that your silly book of myths is the justification for oppressing gays, denying women medical care, and a host of other bigoted practices. Instead of being all mad at me, perhaps you should ask yourself exactly what “freedom” and “liberty” truly are.

I’ll help you with that.

It starts with a robust separation of Church and State. It starts with *NOT* inserting government between a woman and her doctor because someone thinks that Gawwwwwwwd is anti-abortion.

(Philosophical sidenote: If the Bible says that God is omnipotent and in control, and it’s a fact that women sometimes miscarry, then doesn’t that make God the world’s most prolific abortionist? Ponder that for a moment.)

It goes on to say that two gals or two dudes who want to get married is *NOT* going to bring about America’s fall. It means being rational, making a concerted effort to believe things that can be empirically proven; *NOT* substituting faith for a lack of knowledge.

For the GOP, people like Todd Akin…they’re not the exception, they are the rule! His mistake was saying publicly what many GOPers believe privately.

And America’s success has little to do with any religion and more to do with abundant natural resources, a good work ethic (which the Chinese also have, without Christian indoctrination), a healthy (or unhealthy) mix of genocidal wars and outright theft of the native populations, slavery, a lax immigration policy (which worked out pretty well for almost all of us), etc.

You should stop letting your church elders and Faux News and David Barton cram myths into your head; real life…it’s much more complicated than someone’s myth-based worldview.

The Mormon church has put millions of dollars into the campaign to deny gays marriage equality. Standing up against that…that’s not *intolerance*; that’s standing up for REAL freedom and REAL liberty and none of that off-brand propaganda to which you cling so desperately.

Besides that, I think rational people should have some questions for Rmoney, who is a former LDS officer and is still described as a “devout” Mormon. Not the least of which pertains to access and influence; will the Mormon leadership have greater access to and influence with President Rmoney than other folks? Will the church silence critics by bullying? “Devout” Mormons are anti-choice and anti-gay; these are important things! (Obviously not to you, HMC…but to others. Or maybe, like most GOPers, you’re on the Team Bigot side. I don’t know you, so I can’t say for sure.) “Devout” Mormons are anti-alcohol and anti-beer; are there any policy repercussions for WA State micro-breweries? “Devout” Mormons also have different ideas regarding entertainment and what’s considered “decent;” what does that mean regarding the FCC?

Finally, I am indeed *intolerant* of religionists/Christian Star-Spangled Taliban/Theorcrats/the modern-day Republican Party. But I have reason to be and have laid out WHY I am intolerant. It’s not because of their beliefs; but because of their actions. And guess what? Being *intolerant* of actions is NOT intolerance; it’s standing up for what is right.

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[redblack]

NF: i’m pretty sure willard was a (bishop?) in LDS. not sure if the that’s the correct rank, but i know he had some kind of title within the church.

all of that tithing sure makes for a nice tax write-off, though.

rich: you know, being anti-LDS church doesn’t necessarily make one anti-mormon.

kind of like being anti-likud doesn’t necessarily make one an anti-semite.

DP: now, once more.

with feeling this time.

just kidding.

i want to bury the hatchet, and i’ll go so far as to admit that i may have been a bit irrational. but look, this was never about you being in the bag for obama. i don’t give two ripe farts how you vote. that’s your business. but i do want to discuss issues, and i see very little substantive criticism of obama’s opponent, which struck me as odd – especially coming from someone who’s pro-peace.

but i do want to say that i, myself, do not think that willard is a decent guy, and i do not think that he is a viable candidate for the highest office in the land – arguably the world – and that i could never see myself voting for the guy.

big surprise, right?

willard is in the top .1% of income earners here. which makes him in the top .0001% worldwide. that’s the world he came from, and it happens to be light years from the world i came from.

and that’s not envy. and it has nothing to do with redistributing “his” wealth. it’s an observation that willard has not one clue about what it means to work for a living. none whatsoever – no matter how many hours a day he spent shuffling papers trying to hide money from the IRS or figuring out how to make billions for his shareholders by shipping american jobs to malaysia.

electing him POTUS would hardly be democratic and he would definitely not be representative of most americans. (same goes for the half of congress that are millionaires.)

now, is that your definition of bad altruism?

and since the topic of this thread is about willard’s church, can anyone here tell me how i’d ever know that he’s LDS? how do i know the guy’s not an atheist? or a buddhist? if he wins the election – god forbid – do i get to see him going to church on… uhh… whatever day mormons go to church on? like i saw bill clinton do about a zillion times on the tee vee?

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i want to echo redblack

“but i do want to say that i, myself, do not think that willard is a decent guy, and i do not think that he is a viable candidate for the highest office in the land – arguably the world – and that i could never see myself voting for the guy.”

and that assessment has nothing to do with the fact that he is running on the republican ticket.

if he was a democrat, i wouldn’t vote for him.

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