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March 20, 2008 at 5:46 am #618447
AnonymousInactiveMcCain mixes up two extremist groups and everyone jumps on him! I’m sorry, but that is NOTHING compared to what the Obama camp has going on!
I find it amusing that because of McCain’s slip up, everyone now is ready to call him an “idiot”. Let me ask you all this: If McCain were a black man and made that mistake, would you be so quick to call him an “idiot”?
March 20, 2008 at 6:00 am #618448
JanSParticipantNew Res.. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
March 20, 2008 at 6:39 am #618449
charlabobParticipantNew Res: Yup, if he were black or (s)he were a woman, I’d call either an idiot. Except, if either of the Democratic candidates said anything like that, they would not be in the final two or in the final two hundred. The bar would be a whole lot higher.
March 20, 2008 at 6:53 am #618450
charlabobParticipantBDG is absolutely right and I share her frustration. This thread was started because we thought it was time to start campaigning against McCain. And we can’t stop trashing each other.
McCain is the latest in a long list of Republicans who have conned the people of the United States into believing that their self-interest lies in making life better for the rich. McCain made his life better by divorcing his first wife and marrying the rich woman with whom he had been committing adultery. So apparently it sometimes works to identify with the rich.
Yup, that’s a cheap shot and completely beneath me — and that’s the way we will win. The only thing that sets it apart from the Republican slime machine is that it’s true — McCain himself admitted he destroyed his first marriage by committing adultery.
March 20, 2008 at 3:19 pm #618451
beachdrivegirlParticipantNR it is more than the fact that McCain mixed up the extremist groups. He is removed from reality. Another quote from McCain in February of 2008.
“And my friends, if we left, they wouldn’t be establishing a base,” McCain said “They’d be taking a country, and I’m not going to allow that to happen, my friends. I will not surrender. I will not surrender to al-Qaida.”–Do you realize that Al-Qaida is an a minority extremist group and the chances of them taking over Iraq is slim to none. Or lets take a further look back to last year.
He stated that it was “safe” to walk around Baghdad..when in fact it was so “safe” that when he toured Baghdad he had to wear Body Armor and had GI’s with him…
March 20, 2008 at 4:42 pm #618452
JoBParticipantI love what happens when i go away…
new resident.. i am sorry to have to join the chorus.. but Charlabob nailed it when she said that if he was a democrat, he wouldn’t even be in contention now… he just doesn’t make the grade…
but.. if you would like some more substantial reasons why…
McCain has openly interceded with government agencies on behalf of his friends…
and many times he had a financial interest in their success as well as a political interest.
Does the name Keating mean anything to you. McCain’s wife was involved in a financial partnership with him just prior to his collapse. McCain was in charge of the committee that investigated the corruption of his fellow senators in that one. talk about putting the wolf in charge of the henhouse. i think mild censure was the only result on that one…
btw.. lest we forget.. that one resulted in a massive government bailout.
does any of this sound familiar?
then there is the small matter of the coal companies in Arizona who he helped displace the nahavo nation from their lands and resettle them on toxic land… just for the fun of it… oh wait, maybe a little profit and campaign contributions as well…. read what the united nations council on human rights had to say about that move. but then, they were just Indians:(
then there is the small matter of McCain’s interceding for gambling syndicates when his wife (Anheuser Bush) has a lucrative beer distribution contract in Nevada…
then there is the minor matter of his attempt to intervene in the communications industry for the group that his “there is nothing improper going on between us” lobbyist friend is employed by…
Those examples by the way came from one evening’s tiptoeing through links … and you will find I left links to all of that further up in the thread.
now.. shall we talk about his new and improved stance on torture.. as long as it isn’t happening to him?
Or how about his willingness to confuse the nations of Iraq and Iran with AlQaueda? Or to lump all muslims into the cover of terrorists…
does the word gooks bring anything to mind? probably not, you’re too young.
i could go on and on.. but i am determined not to let John McCain spoil my digestion today and i just took my prilosec:)
March 20, 2008 at 4:48 pm #618453
charlabobParticipantGood news on our side: Sen. Chuck Hagel’s book is coming out next week — it should put a dent in the notion that the repugs can run a winning campaign based on the success of Iraq War:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/20/america/NA-GEN-US-Hagel-Book.php
March 20, 2008 at 4:50 pm #618454
AnonymousInactiveStating that he “will not surrender to Al-Qaida” is pretty powerful. I personally remember 9/11 very well. I knew people who died that day. Every day I go to work, I have to remember and think about 9/11.
And I’m curious where you saw that the “chances of them taking over Iraq is slim to none”? Do you receive intelligence from the Government?
Sorry, got a little sarcastic there, but, as I said in the other thread, BDG, you are right in trying to unite your party. The Dems really need to come together if they are going to have any chance.
March 20, 2008 at 5:48 pm #618455
JoBParticipantNew resident… yes, mcCain’s words.. “I will not surrender to AlQaida” resonate.
And that would be great if we were actively involved in fighting AlQuida. We are actively involved fighting “insurgents” who are now umbrellaed under AlQuida mainly because our president says it’s so. Not AlQuida.. who are free to go about int he world planning more mayhem…
And in the meantime, we inflame the entire muslim world with our treatment of citizens we are calling terrorists and our invasion and occupation of a muslim country.
It really helps to know who the enemy is… and unfortunately, to John McCain.. all of those “towel heads” are the enemy.
(I apologize profusely to the vietnamese and to all muslims for repeating John McCain’s racial and bigoted slurs. I wanted to make this point as strongly as i could.. but even then it is not acceptable behavior…)
911 was a tragedy.. and it would help if we actually fought those who perpetrated that tragedy.
The reason that AlQuida doesn’t stand much of a chance in taking over Iraq is that there were no Iraqi AlQuida when we invaded… Saddam didn’t allow competition for his own power… and those who actually live there feel like they might have a say in the matter.
The last thing they want to be is a permanent AlQuida target. If the Arab countries have learned anything from the Israel/Palestinian conflict… it is that permanent war only brings poverty and loss of power.
charlabob..
never thought i would agree with Hagel.. but there you go:)
tho i wouldn’t go so far as to buy into a third party strategy.. especially not right now:)
March 20, 2008 at 5:49 pm #618456
JoBParticipantwill somebody tell me how to spell AlQuida?i promise to tape ti to my computer for reference since i am likely to be using it a lot:)
March 20, 2008 at 6:56 pm #618457
walfredoMemberI would bet anything that McCain would be trailing by 10-15 points if he was forced to exchange with Obama and only Obama right now.
The fact that the storyline leaves his blunders out, and focuses on Hillary’s “Election” type obsession with stealing the election by any means necessary, and Barack trying to open a dialogue about race and distance himself from his pastors remarks makes for an overwhelmingly beneficial environment for McCain.
If the Dems can’t figure this out in the next 6 weeks or so, look for McSame to continue to open up a lead despite holding almost exclusively unpopular positions on every issue, and showing very little knowledge or understanding other then to support the Bush mantra. “bomb, Iran, bomb bomb Iran”.
That isn’t even a news story- that wasn’t McSame’s pastor- THAT IS HIM! That is what he unabashedly believes and supports…
March 20, 2008 at 7:17 pm #618458
JoBParticipantWalfredo..
i was going to say nobody disagrees with you about McSame .. and i love that label.. but there are republicans who do disagree with you…
and it wasn’t his pastor just a heavy campaign supporter. but yes… bomb, bomb, bomb Iran is a direct McCain quote. and the quote and the fact that he tied it to a 60s song really does define the man.
however, this obsession with Hillary as a distraction doesn’t fly.
Obama’s current troubles with his pastor have nothing to do with Hillary..
and if he can’t overcome them now.. how do you expect him to do so against the republicans?
it’s time democrats stopped being distracted by their obsession with Hillary somehow stealing the election and started focusing on what is important here.. a democratic candidate who can actually stand up to the republican election machine in the fall.
if that turns out to be Obama.. fine. But he will have to survive this first attack first.
March 20, 2008 at 7:25 pm #618459
walfredoMemberJoB please show me a way that Hillary Clinton can win- any possible way, that doesn’t involve the Superdelegates overriding the votes cast by Americans.
Please shape one plausible argument how that could happen, and not be completely divisive in the party, disenfranchising a generation of young voters, and the entire black community.
Please tell me again, how Hillary Clinton, at this point, isn’t a direct supporter to the McSame campaign. She has absolutely 0% chance of becoming president, and is fighting on in hopes of destroying her own party, and imho to set the stage for her own re-election bid 2012.
Let me know where the math doesn’t fly…
March 20, 2008 at 8:18 pm #618460
JoBParticipanti am going to say this one last time… at least i hope it’s a last time.
this is not a popular election.
this is a party process. superdelegates are part of the party process that were created for this exact situation.. when there was not a clear overwhelming popular preference for either candidate.
if there was a clear overwhelming preference among democrats for Obama, he would have enough delegates from the party elections and caucuses to walk into the convention a nominee.
He doesn’t. Those same numbers will tell you that at the end of the primaries, it is unlikely that he will.
you can’t just make nearly half of the democratic party disappear just because you want your candidate to win….
and we may be more than half.
Obama has done very well in states where the delegates are selected by caucus.
clinton has done very well in states where they are selected by ballot.
In fact, in our own state, half the delegates would be Hillary’s if we designated them by ballot… as our primary shows.
if you are worried about pulling those marginal voters.. perhaps you should look more closely at those people who voted in that primary.
You can keep ignoring the party process that your candidate has chosen to run in all you want, but it won’t change things a bit.
if he wins enough primary delegates, he will be the candidate.
if not, it is decided at the convention.
Blaming Hillary because he doesn’t have the delegates to walk into the convention a clear winner actually is honest.. she is after all the rival candidate…
but saying that those of us.. roughly half of democrats.. are destroying the party because we support her.. not so honest.
March 20, 2008 at 8:51 pm #618461
beachdrivegirlParticipantI know people that did not vote in the primary but participated in the caucus because they knew the caucus was what would get the job done. Yes she has done well in states where her name is on the ballot but first of all “name recognition” and secondly she still doesnt have the popular vote so doing well isnt doing what the people want and doing well isnt winning.
March 20, 2008 at 9:03 pm #618462
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl..
yes.. i am quite aware that Obama supporters knew that was where to get the job done… but that doesn’t mean the job reflected the actual will of the voters… just those who showed up.
those caucuses were not handicapped accessible. how many handicapped or truly elderly did you see there?
and being a hillary supporter in our caucus meant being shouted down by insults and dismissed. not exactly the venue to foster actual conversation…
if name recognition was the true deciding force inthe popular vote.. i doubt she would do so well since the press doesn’t tie the name Clinton to much that is positive… and Obama is outspending her in ads.
Hillary holds her own in the popular vote… so it does matter.
And so do those of us who support Hillary…
March 20, 2008 at 9:04 pm #618463
walfredoMemberSo, if I understand correctly- you agree that there is not a single way she can WIN the election without the Super Delegates overriding the will of the people.
That system of superdelegates you defend, was never something that people voted on, and in every poll imaginable is extremely unpopular. No American, in there heart of hearts believes that a ruling elite should decide our democracy, even if it happens to be politically expedient at the moment for Hillary supporters.
The good thing, is at the end of the day, neither do these superdelegtes. They don’t want to overturn the will of the people, and won’t. They want to be a non-issue…
So, you are saying- and I agree: The best case scenario for a Hillary supporter is to lose in # of states, and # of pledged delegates, to get the party Elite’s vote by close to 70% in order to overturn the election results at a mid-August brokered convention, and then a heads up fight over who is the more experienced leader at 3 AM w/ John McCain after disenfranchsing all of Obama’s supporters by stealing the election!
And it is your opinion that that scenario doesn’t directly benefit McSame and his supporters in the right wing. In fact, there is an unmistakable trend starting before Ohio and Texas of registered republican support increasing ten-fold from prior elections for Hillary Clinton… And she has won numberous right-wing endorsements from folks like Rush Limbaugh because she is destroying the party…
March 20, 2008 at 9:28 pm #618464
JanSParticipantok…back to McCain…seems that ALL the candidates surround themselves with some not so scrupulous people…glad he ditched this guy for a while (notice that he wasn’t out and out fired)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_obama_video
March 20, 2008 at 9:29 pm #618465
JanSParticipantand then there’s these despicable people…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080320/us_time/cangopvotersspoilthedemrace
’nuff said…
March 20, 2008 at 9:35 pm #618466
JoBParticipantWalfredo.. reading all that made me tired.
You are not ignorant.. so i am assuming you are capable of understanding the basic process that the democratic party uses to elect it’s candidate.
I also get that you don’t like it and think it is unjust.
so go change it. invest some of your time in the party.. or form a new one… do something constructive…
but i am not arguing the obvious any longer.
March 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm #618467
AnonymousInactiveRepublican’s are taking advantage of the Democratic mayhem, so what? If it were turned around, the Dem’s would be doing the same thing.
And, please, don’t respond with talk of “Democrat’s are above that and soooo much smarter than Republicans. The bar is set much higher for us”. Not only is that only your personal opinion, but it is also insulting.
March 20, 2008 at 10:00 pm #618468
JanSParticipantI believe that all I said was…”ok…back to McCain…seems that ALL the candidates surround themselves with some not so scrupulous people” I didn’t say just one…I didn’t deny that it’s gonna be politics as usual…I didn’t say Dems don’t do it, too. We’re all in this together…we just see different ways of getting there…
March 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm #618469
walfredoMemberJoB- thank you for the response. I hope Hillary supporters really start to think long and hard, especially after these 3 primaries coming up about one simple question- how does she win?
Just play it out. I know its not as fun, and it as a completely seperate argument then who do you think would be the best candidate. I completely respect your opinion that Hillary Clinton would have made the best candidate. That is a very fair opinion, that I don’t mean to belittle.
I just hope that after the next couple of states vote, and it becomes even more glaringly obvious that one of the candidates has a lead that cannot be matched… that you really stop and think what exactly it is you are fighting so hard for. It is my strong opinion that you are doing the work of Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and Dick Cheney, and a bunch of other extremists that I would strongly doubt you support.
A brokered convention where the candidate who won the most delegates somehow is denied the nomination (even if it wasn’t this election, with all of the racial and cultural issues) is not going to be a strong candidate in the general election. The dems will have succeeded again at taking a miserable failure of a war, a failing economy, 30% approval ratings of the incumbent, a slew of great candidates, and finding a way to lose…
March 21, 2008 at 12:52 am #618470
AnonymousInactiveMcCain aide has just been suspended for sending out a link to the following video. Seems a rather mild response.
“The Politico, a Washington-based newspaper, reported that the two-minute video was the work of Lee Habeeb, a former producer of the Laura Ingraham Show, a conservative talk program. In the video, Wright’s most incendiary remarks are mixed with snippets from Obama speeches and interviews, which are edited to make the senator seem to be sputtering and unpatriotic.”
March 21, 2008 at 1:05 am #618471
AnonymousInactiveThe suspension was mild? McCain didn’t have to do anything to the aide. He took it upon himself to address the issue and issue discipline. Nothing derogatory was said about anyone else. The aide used material that already existed.
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