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March 20, 2008 at 12:04 am #618422
JoBParticipantthe reason that Clinton, Obama and the good Reverend Wright are getting all the attention right now is that a lot of people care…
right now, very few Republicans actually care about McCain…
that clip is why i made the lieberman joke.
March 20, 2008 at 12:59 am #618423
JanSParticipantwell…I’m not really talking about what the Reps are feeling aobut McCain…the other half, the Dems, had better start getting their act together, or the Reps will be laughing all the way to the presidency. What it now has come down to is a matter of race…tell me I’m wrong…and I’ve felt all along that something would be brought up to deflect from the real things that need to be concentrated on…like the Reps firm belief that they can, even with McCain, beat Hillary. Hope I’m wrong…
March 20, 2008 at 1:27 am #618424
charlabobParticipantYup, it’s a question of race and a question of class — Clinton, Bill, has returned to claiming that Hillary is the president for people who *need* a president. Whatever the hell that means. The Bierkenstock wearing latte drinking … support Obama. Yeah, right. That and the black folks and the blue collar folks in Iowa and … Hmm…is it race? Is it class? Whatever works to get the third term of the Clinton presidency.
It’s kind of amazing to watch what happens when people can smell defeat…desperation is not a pretty sight.
c — who’s about to fall off the fence into the “I won’t vote for Hillary — I’ll leave the top spot blank” camp.
March 20, 2008 at 1:37 am #618425
JoBParticipantJanS…
it hasn’t become a matter of race… it has become a matter of poor judgement…
let’s see..
he went to the senate and chose Joe Leiberman for his mentor… long after Joe had started showing his spots.
reaching across the aisle? Joe was and has leapt right into the McCain campaign.
Then there is the minor matter of one of his campaign staff who is under indictment in Chicago for something related to money for favors… i think while he was in the Obama campaign.
Then there is his church… not only has he attended for the last 20 years… he made his pastor his spiritual adviser for the his campaign.
In plain terms, he endorsed him.
And he might have been able to claim the high road of private church worship if it wasn’t that small matter of his church making those tapes available to the public… They put them up for sale.
at the very least, he has shown poor judgement.
But if calling it a race thing keeps everyone’s eyes off of those small lapses of judgement.. all the better for Obama…
The only one making this campaign about race is Barak Obama’s campaign…
it’s a gamble.. but it might still work for him. we will see.
March 20, 2008 at 3:43 am #618426
JanSParticipantRezko…the alluded to “campaign staff member” who wasn’t that at all…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elaine-meyer/time-to-put-rezko-to-rest_b_92191.html
ala “Whitwater”…remember that?
March 20, 2008 at 3:44 am #618427
JanSParticipantand I respectively call “BS” on this…
“The only one making this campaign about race is Barak Obama’s campaign…”
March 20, 2008 at 3:56 am #618428
JoBParticipantJan.. re:Rezko… from the man who did the actual interview referred to in the Huffington story…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-kass-rezko-column,1,7963637.column
March 20, 2008 at 4:00 am #618429
beachdrivegirlParticipantJoB this is for you. :) Just one more thing that shows Republicans especially McCain doesnt care about the environment or our current economic status. McCain=Bush=S**t so lets fight for our democrats and let the best man win.
http://sierraclub.typepad.com/carlpope/2008/02/the-not-so-stra.html
March 20, 2008 at 4:11 am #618430
JanSParticipantJoB…yes…I read what the flag commanders said…you have to remember that I was in the military…that what is said in the military, and done in the military, to me, is not real life..but then, again, that’s just my opinion, as most of this is anyway…opinions. And in the end, we all have to figure it out for ourselves. I don’t believe everything in the media, I know you don’t, either. We choose what’s best to believe for ourselves and the people that we believe in.
If I were to believe all military people, I’d have to believe “W” I suppose as (chuckle) “Commander-in-Chief”…
March 20, 2008 at 4:16 am #618431
JanSParticipantbeachdrivegirl…thanks for that link…again…something about McCain. Funny how this thread keeps ending up about Hillary or Barack…and we should be pointing out the flaws of McCain bigtime…the “Big Dance” is months away yet. If we wait until after the convention to finally wake up to that, there really will only be a couple of months…hope we use the time wisely…
March 20, 2008 at 4:21 am #618432
beachdrivegirlParticipantthanks jans I am trying to find my wits about clinton and I think we all know that i support obama, but mccain????-i have tried that for the past seven years….and it sure has gotten me anywere.
March 20, 2008 at 4:37 am #618433
JoBParticipantJanS..
the interview Obama did with Chicago Tribune editors…
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/844597,transcript031508.article
i just read the whole thing.
Obama says he’s clean.
says his transactions were above board…
but when he negotiated his house purchase.. he bid low. when he bought the strip of land from Rezko, he paid 104 thousand for a strip of land assessed at 40 thousand. because Rezko was a friend…
a friend who helped him assess his house deal and bought the adjoining property…
But even tho the sellers wanted to sell both pieces of property.. either as a whole or apart.. Rexko had nothing to do with the purchase negotiations on Obama’s house. it was totally separate… in a packaged sort of way…
and he was a friend, but not too good a friend.. he didn’t see him much or have many dealings with him…
well.. maybe…
Rezko did raise about $250,000 for him over the course of his campaigns.. but not for this campaign because of those pesky limits… but there is that “straw” donation the feds are looking into and the job that wasn’t to his knowledge in exchange for “straw” donation.. but if it was… Obama didn’t know about it.
And Rezko is who he called to counsel him when he was purchasing his house…
And he certainly didn’t know about Rezko… and he didn’t know about reverend Wright.. he was never in church when the reverend made those remarks…
he worked in the law firm that handled Rezko’s real estate transactions.. but he only worked on a couple of his projects and he didn’t really work there after he was elected to the state senate except he did…sometimes in summers.. but he didn’t know anything.
Aw Geez!
So.. you have a choice here… he is not telling the truth
or… he is more than a little dense about what is going on around him….
either way.. it’s not so good.
March 20, 2008 at 4:42 am #618434
JoBParticipantAs for calling BS on my statement about Barak’s campaign making the ado about race…
let’s see.. a black candidate publicly states that he won’t speak at the NAACP conference because he doesn’t want it to appear that he is trading on his race…
thus.. bringing up his race…
His campaign pounced on Ferraro’s remarks and obama demanded her resignation from the Clinton campaign…
but he doesn’t want to bring attention to his race…
oh please!
great strategy. i admire that.
March 20, 2008 at 4:47 am #618435
JoBParticipant“I read what the flag commanders said…you have to remember that I was in the military…that what is said in the military, and done in the military, to me, is not real life.”
the flag commanders talked about Hillary’s experience as they witnessed it…
and they were in the military at the time…
which is what the job “commander in chief” is all about.
imagine that.
March 20, 2008 at 4:48 am #618436
beachdrivegirlParticipantJoB and JanS…we really need to focus on bringing down McCain. It has taken me months to see it…but we can not let another “Bush” take over the House and articles such as the link below makes it seem like we are setting them up to do so…
March 20, 2008 at 4:55 am #618437
beachdrivegirlParticipantI am shocked that Republicans throughout the US can honestly say after another mishap like this say they support McCain. These QUOTES are coming from HIS mouth! McCain pays people to write hsi speeches and he still screws them up. We could only guess what he would speak if he spoke his own mind. Sorry House & NR but McCain just lost another point for me.At least from Obama he isnt stating IGNORANT comments from his own mouth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/us/politics/19mccain.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
March 20, 2008 at 4:57 am #618438
JanSParticipantand…I suppose the brilliant Ms. Hillary never , ever had anyone..oh, say..Mr. Hsu, rub elbows with her.
I think what I’m trying to say here is…come on…if you’re going to jump down Obama’s throat like that, make sure that the person you’re supporting is lily white clean. You give her the benefit of the doubt, because she’s been “hounded” for the last 20 years…yet…you’re quick to jump on him. What are you going to do, really, if he does end up being the Dem candidate. I have no problem supporting or voting for either one…they’re both imperfect politicians. But from where you’re going on this, I really don’t think you’ll be able to give him your support….and BDG is right…we need to be focusing on not letting McCain be elected…
March 20, 2008 at 4:58 am #618439
JanSParticipantchocolate? hmm…maybe a tall glass of iced single malt…:)
March 20, 2008 at 4:59 am #618440
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl..
we aren’t doing this to Obama. the leak of this had nothing to do with the Clinton campaign… at least if it did, i can’t find it.
republicans are spreading this like wildfire and making inflammatory remarks… some naively.. but many with purpose.
and this is just the first round.
“Obama knows that if somebody puts him in church on some day that Wright said some crazy [stuff], like white people injected blacks with AIDS, he’s in a world of hurt,†said Rick Wilson. “I would eat this up like cake.â€
this is what the republicans do.
and had you believed me and dug further you would have found two videos by two individuals that make sexual and drug claims against Obama.. and those will travel the email path even if they don’t ever hit the mainstream…
and still.. they are just getting started.
they.. not us.. they…
i have tried to tell you guys all along that there is nothing teflon about Obama….
do you believe it yet?
March 20, 2008 at 5:07 am #618441
beachdrivegirlParticipantI believe it, but they have just as much about Clinton. that is why, JoB, we need to really focus on McCains pitalls… which really shouldnt be to hard since we cal ALL hear or read he sets himself up. I am sorry but I have heard/enough b.s . from that mans mouth… he does not know what the hell he is talking about and when he does he sounds about ad dumb as Bush. Like I said earlier I have been there for the past 7 years & am more than ready to move on.
March 20, 2008 at 5:08 am #618442
JanSParticipantthere is nothing teflon about any of them…we have to understand that. I, too, found the videos about the sex and drugs…did you see that guy? Would you believe him? Oh, please. Those accusations have been out there for months…and I truly believe the guy’s a crackpot…but..oh, gee, let’s believe anyone but Obama. You’re very right..I’m too sure that the Clinton’s aren’t behind this. But…someone doesn’t want him elected in a big way…wonder who that is?
Guilt by association…not my favorite thing….no matter who it’s about…
March 20, 2008 at 5:12 am #618443
JoBParticipantJan..
I’m disappointed.
Mr Hsu was never on hillary’s finance committee.. was never her friend… and funneled $50,000 her California campaign’s way… which was totally donated to charity at the first whiff of possible misdoing.
but i can see how the two instances are similar enough to use that to defend Obama’s misdeeds….
or lack thereof.. since Obama says he didn’t know anything.
I didn’t compare Hilalry and Barak…
i just said that Obama’s explanation which was the source for the story you quoted was fishy at best.
so.. are we just on two sides of a fence here with no regard for substance?
i was not aware i was just making points… I wouldn’t have bothered following all of those links had that been the endgame. it’s not necessary to go to that much work for that…
but apparently you think i am.
i will admit i am pretty ruthless when it comes to digging for the substance behind the rhetoric… but that’s all.
i am off to bed now.. i have spent too much time at this again tonight.
March 20, 2008 at 5:13 am #618444
JanSParticipantHey, if John McCain doesn’t know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, how can we ever expect the American public to be educated on this. That’s why so many just buy into whatever story is out there in the media. To me, it’s ignorance that Mr McCain is showing…I expect someone with a bit more intelligence to be in charge of the on-going mess in Iraq (actually, we’re there because of ignorance, I guess, so maybe I shouldn’t expect more?)
March 20, 2008 at 5:19 am #618445
beachdrivegirlParticipanti have had a loooong week & both of u (JoB & Jan) are making me frusturated. I am asking for you both do not go looking for negative comments about Obama or Clinton and what someones pastor said or someones executive member said.Lets focus on what is important. WE need to gain votes. We will gain votes from “pledged”McCains” nominees. We do that by bringing up faults in McCain. (Easy enough) Not by arguing about Clinton & Obama. I understand I am not the spokesman for this..but we all need a chance.
March 20, 2008 at 5:21 am #618446
JoBParticipantI didn’t say i believed the slurs Jan.. i said that they were out there.. and that this is only the tip of the republican iceberg…
and quite frankly.. if this is the best job he can do defending himself.. he is in trouble…
and it’s time for us.. as democrats.. to realize that.
hiding in the sand won’t make anything go away.
and i have been the one all along who had never said at any time on this blog that i would not fully support Obama if he is our candidate…
In fact.. i have been shouting the fact that i would support him if he is our candidate..
i have already signed up to do precinct work… regardless of who our candidate is.
but you can bet that i will know as much about him as i know about hillary if i end up supporting him. i really dont’ like nasty surprises…
and lastly… the idea that we should ever give our politicians blind faith.. believe it because they say it.. is dangerous as h…
it’s what we gave bush and look where that got us.
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