Left/right? education

[JoB]

kootchman..

what you are dismantling is all hope of opportunity for people who havent’ already got theirs…

you should think again.

if you think those tea party hicks whose anger you capitalized on to sell this con were angry…

you haven’t seen anything yet.

what do you think is going to happen when they figure out that when you were talking about opportunity.. you didn’t mean them?

I wouldn’t bank on them simply being too stupid to figure it out ….

in this case… you are either in on the joke

or you are the joke

do you really know which side of divide you sit on?

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[kootchman]

Oh, now they are hicks? Yep, that’s the liberal way. well, at least they live in a solvent state… which is more than we can say.

We don’t HAVE to live with institutions that don’t work..just because they hang out a sign that says “democrat” doesn’t make em’ magical, able to wave a golden hued magic wand and make things right by expanding what doesn’t work and giving more to get more of the same. Trading in a loser for an loser on fiscal steroids is not a fix. It’s just a bigger failure.

We are trying to expand opportunity… not limit it to the hardy few who despite all odds make it through an urban public school and thrive. It’s time to dismantle the always late to the station train of mediocre performance. Not add more cars.

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[JanS]

lately, I’ve had words ruminating in my head…”B” words..bloviatingly Bombastic..or bombastically bloviating…take your pick..

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[redblack]

kootch: i’m still waiting to read about how you plan on educating all of the urban working class and poor kids with a voucher system. let’s see it writ large-scale. who pays the educators? who pays for the facilities and all of the lights and running water? who pays for the better education system? property owners?

what’s your fairly-administered scheme to educate entire cities? what’s your plan to make sure that all americans get the same education – and that they don’t look like abject fools when they have to visit europe or eastern asia?

is your ideal system universal, or is it pay-for-privilege?

come on. admit it. profits before teachers’ wages. right?

we’re all friends here. it’s not like anyone is going to be shocked by your admission.

can i get an “amen!?”

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[miws]

A-frickin’-men!

Mike

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[kootchman]

The voucher… the same 13K you send to the SPS system now. I am in complete mystery why you can’t get it.. you are paying the 13K now… that doesn;t change. the only thing that changes is they can spend it where the get a better result. You can give poor kids a chance at a great education. That’s a lot more “democratic” than confining them to the system they are in now. See how Cleveland did it.. they turned the physical plant over to either charter or private schools… and paid the school the same fee they paid the CPSS.. simple.

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[kootchman]

If cities have great schools redblack… there would be no demand or purpose for vouchers or charter schools. It’s a moot point. But, that is not the case.

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[redblack]

I am in complete mystery why you can’t get it.. you are paying the 13K now.

actually, i’m not. not with property taxes, anyway. property taxes are raised by the county. some of that money goes to schools, but the bulk of it is apportioned from state taxes.

and an interesting fact about state taxes and what school districts they go to: SPS does more with less. at large, king county receives an average of $7000 per student from the state.

one of the rural red counties receives as much as $39,000 per student.

and my earlier point is that if i have anything to say about it, SPS isn’t going to “turn over” the physical plant or anything else without fair market compensation.

what makes you think you can just give my stuff away? stuff that i paid for? oh, because it’s public property it isn’t worth anything and market forces should just be able to get their grimy hands on it for pennies on the dollar to start their money-making schools?

not on my watch. as long as the city owns the schools, the city operates the schools. want to run a school that the public paid to build and maintain? pay a franchise fee.

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[miws]

C’mon fellow libs! Let’s admit it!

We realize that charter schools are better for kids, regardless of their socio-economic background, and they’re better for society over all!

We just want to keep those unionized, overpaid, underworked, uninvolved, lazy Teachers employed, (and, of course, the thug unions themselves!)

And, OFGS, before somebody on the Right later refers to this, and that I stated it as fact…..>[/sarcasm]

Mike

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[kootchman]

The average state to school district funding is 13K… it on the state web site,

Redblack… if they pick your wallet, some folded cash,… it makes not one whit of a difference if they get it from two pockets or one pocket…. your taxes include state taxes and local taxes… either or, they always want more.

Uh Mike? Those charter schools? They are unionized teachers, They just have to perform to higher standards… they are hired and retained at will. Meaning if they suck the principal can can them. How novel an idea!!!

Didn’t follow the link to see what extraordinary good things can happen to an urban blighted school did ya? C’mon.. celebrate at least that it can happen. Or, is it too painful to realize what the kids are missing. These are all unionized, pensioned, and benefit laden teachers… and I don’t begrudge them a dime. But they serve at the pleasure of the principal.. who sets the work enviornment and the expectations… not the union.

redblack….. it’s profits that make public schools possible.. something to consider. As it now stands.. from a triage perspective, save some… save more. we can’t get em all, but we can do a lot better for some.

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