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January 9, 2014 at 2:59 am #610136
feringMemberThis is a great resume builder.
We are looking for an intern to help with a unique feminist event with historical proportions (of course we think big!).
The Take The Lead Challenge Launch Event on February 19th is kicking off a national movement to close the pay and leadership gaps for women.
This isn’t the old feminist movement. We aren’t about blaming or complaining or rehashing the sad statistics. We’re about solutions and helping women move forward in their lives and careers.
We are working on the event that features Facebook COO and Lean In author Sheryl Sandberg. We are pushing for 1 million viewers on the free livestream. How cool is that?
We need some help with outreach.
We are looking for someone who can work 4-10 hours a week. Some of that will be with us and some can be remote.
You must understand social media and be able to write well and navigate Google Drive (formerly Google Docs) – or not be afraid of learning it. It would be awesome if you also knew Photoshop or had some technical skills and enthusiasm to learn some fairly straightforward instructions in the program.
Above all, possess a sense of humor and the desire to do good in the world (whatever that means to you).
This is an unpaid internship, lasting 4-5 weeks. We’ll feed you and treat you well. We’ll teach you what we know. We are pretty awesome human beings and love to have fun, work hard, and laugh. We’d prefer someone in West Seattle who can easily commute to our Alki location to work in-person 1x a week.
Now, just because this is a feminist organization doesn’t mean you have to be female to apply. Guys can be feminists too!
Check out the event at http://www.taketheleadwomen.com/take-lead-challenge-launch-event/.
If you are interested in this, please ping us at jen@wiredballywho.com.
January 9, 2014 at 4:26 am #802786
JanSParticipantbumping up…
January 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm #802787
SmittyParticipantGreat cause.
Does anyone have the “real” wage difference %? The % that is unexplained by anything other than the differences in experience, skill, occupation, education or hours worked?
I always read about the 20% wage gap, but what is the real discriminatory % after factoring in the above?
January 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm #802788
feringMemberHere is some info:
http://www.iwpr.org/initiatives/pay-equity-and-discrimination
Women, on average, earn less than men in virtually every single occupation for which there is sufficient earnings data for both men and women to calculate an earnings ratio.
Pay equity may also be impacted by other more subtle factors than workplace discrimination. IWPR’s research shows that, irrespective of the level of qualification, jobs predominantly done by women pay less on average than jobs predominantly done by men.
February 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm #802789
JeanValjeanMemberNo better way to fix the wage gap than by offering women a job that pays in sandwiches.
For the record, the wage gap exists but it’s not due to sexism.
None of the comparisons that agencies use to determine a wage gap take into consideration the differences in jobs, hours worked, overtime, time off from work, or difficulties like nights and weekends or working in dangerous occupations or out in the weather.
When these factors are considered the wage gap all but disappears.
Secretary is still the most popular job for women. When you compare them to construction workers you are going to get a big difference in income. To tell the world that this difference is due to sexism is a lie.
But feminists aren’t interested in the truth. They use confirmation bias to make their points and they rely on the public being too lazy to read the bogus surveys and studies they cite.
Take for instance the claim that 1 in 5 college women will be raped before the graduate.
In the DOJ study they cite; one of the questions is: “Have you ever been under the influence of alcohol or drugs OR been unconscious when you had sex?”
If the respondent says “yes” then they classify her as a rape victim. No wonder so many women who took these surveys protested that they had not been raped. In fact almost half said they continued to date their rapist. Either women are really stupid or this study is bogus.
But go ahead and believe that a college with 10,000 women will have 400 rapes a year even though no college in the US has more than a few.
February 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm #802790
cjboffoliParticipantI would think that a great first step in closing a pay gap for women would be to pay your intern for this position.
February 6, 2014 at 5:52 pm #802791
JanSParticipantthanks, Christopher.
@JeanValjean..of course there’s a wage difference between different types of jobs. That holds true for men, too. However, equal pay for equal work does not exist. Stop with the false talking points (wherever you get them), and get yourself educated.
February 6, 2014 at 7:04 pm #802792
skeeterParticipantHi JanS. I think JeanValjean is referring to this:
This article suggests the actual wage gap is only 5 cents on the dollar once you take into account that women and men often choose different college majors.
Not surprisingly, different studies come to different conclusions. So if the question is “what is the wage gap” the answer is “it depends how you measure the wage gap.”
February 6, 2014 at 7:45 pm #802793
blblParticipantThe fact that typical female jobs pay less than typical male jobs should be reflected in the “real” wage gap. That is part of the real problem. Trying to get a job in college in the 90s, I applied for both a hostess position and a cook/baker assistant at a national restaurant chain. Both were entry level and required no experience. But women did not work in the kitchen and men were not hostesses, so I got the hostess job and was not considered for the kitchen. Hostess paid minimum wage, no tips, and got fewer hours. The kitchen job paid $3/hr. more. I know this is still the case. While a study like the Post one may claim that I chose a hostess job instead of the kitchen job, that is wrong, and that entire study is based on false assumptions.
And any intern job like this, open to both men and women, is almost always unpaid. Saying it should be paid is a red herring that has nothing to do with the wage gap.
February 7, 2014 at 1:39 am #802794
JeanValjeanMemberJanS–there is a large body of evidence which suggests that the differences in pay are all related to the personal choices of women.
Women choose jobs based on 3 primary criteria: job satisfaction, good working conditions, and flexibility of hours.
Men choose occupations based on money.
If women want to make more then they should stop working as secretaries (still the most popular job chosen by women) and become construction workers, engineers, and chemists.
blbl, well, if you didn’t get the cook job then that must be the way it is everywhere. If you really wanted a kitchen job (irony) then you should have applied at other places. Instead, you got the nice cushy hostess job where you could dress up and not sweat or work hard.
This was your choice. They offered. You accepted. You can’t blame anyone for your own independent and autonomous choices.
Many internships do pay. Some provide a wage and room and board. I think it is perfectly legitimate to point out that this internship pays nothing when it is purportedly an internship that works to end the so-called wage gap. This internship is only offered to men as an afterthought and probably to appear as though it’s not gender-biased.
Allow me to assist you in undoing your indoctrination. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwogDPh-Sow
February 7, 2014 at 2:03 am #802795
miwsParticipantThe vid is showing as not available to me right now, but how interesting, it is from the website http://learnliberty.org/ which is part of the Institute of Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit that is “….governed by a board of directors, currently chaired by Charles G. Koch.”
Just some food for thought, folks.
Mike
February 7, 2014 at 9:01 am #802796
JanSParticipantthank you, Mike…seems like we’re all indoctrinated…even JVJ…
February 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm #802797
JeanValjeanMemberJanS–My indoctrination? What slogans have I been uttering? What tropes have I been issuing? What jargon and propaganda have I been echoing?
None. I’ve provided reason and logic and provided an easy to watch video so you can comprehend.
You are right we don’t have equal pay for equal work. Just look at our military, fire departments, police, emts, and many other jobs where women work but have demanded lower standards, do less work, endure less hardship, and suffer less risks. Thirty to one is the casualty rate in the last war for men to women even though men only outnumber women by about 3 to 1. That’s ten times the risk of death or injury all for the same pay women get.
That’s not equality. That’s feminist equality.
February 7, 2014 at 3:26 pm #802798
JoBParticipantJean..
I suspect more women would choose careers that earn more money if they were offered them.
if you have seen the blinded resume submission studies that show clearly that the gender of the applicant influences the hiring decision.. you have clearly chosen to ignore them.
February 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm #802799
miwsParticipantI’ve provided reason and logic….
….and One. Whole. Hell of a lot of condescension.
I’ll try to view the vid again myself, but considering the source, I’ll probably be taking with a grain of salt.
Mike
February 7, 2014 at 3:41 pm #802800
amaliaParticipantI know one anecdote does not a trend make, but I have done plenty of reading on the gender gap because I worked 15 years for a small business that most certainly considered itself progressive and yet practices gender bias in compensation. They would never agree they did so; they didn’t understand that compensating men more because they had families to support is bias; sending men only to talk to other men is bias. There is so much more, but it’s so ingrained that most people (even some women) don’t recognize it. Yes, the gender gap exists, in compensation and treatment. And yes, the women have the same job, better performance, and more education than the men.
February 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm #802801
SmittyParticipantJean and Skeeter are correct.
The “real” wage gap – that is the wage difference for the same job, same education and same time on that job – is 5%. That needs to be closed, but is nowhere near the $.77 cents on the dollar we always see referenced.
February 7, 2014 at 4:49 pm #802802
skeeterParticipantAmalia, I appreciate your observations. I suspect that small businesses are more likely to have a wage gap than larger businesses. Small businesses probably have a lot more flexibility in setting salaries. Places like Boeing probably have pay grades such as Engineer II, Engineer III, etc. I suspect there is much less of a wage gap at Boeing simply because the salaries are structured. Only my guess though.
February 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm #802803
amaliaParticipantSkeeter, I think that’s correct. Small businesses have no HR departments, employees are subject to retaliation, and employers are granted more leniency and less oversight. I can’t speak to large businesses – they were not the focus of my personal investigation. And some of the mom-and-pops are run by relics who have never been challenged on their outdated views.
February 7, 2014 at 5:02 pm #802804
JoBParticipantbtw..
to those who suggest this organization pay interns…
i wish all organizations paid interns..
but they are right.. this is a good resume building experience for the right intern.
February 7, 2014 at 5:03 pm #802805
JoBParticipantSmitty
tell that to the new CEO of GM
February 7, 2014 at 5:05 pm #802806
JoBParticipantand btw…
isn’t that 5% wage gap i have seen cited for starting wages for comparable jobs?
February 7, 2014 at 5:11 pm #802807
JoBParticipantskeeter
” I suspect there is much less of a wage gap at Boeing simply because the salaries are structured. Only my guess though.”
that guessing part is where the problem lies.
Our wonderfully conservative supreme court decided that women could only file wage discrimination lawsuits if they discovered their wage disparity within a limited time frame.. the first 90 days if memory serves me.
they have also upheld the right of companies to legally contract non-disclosure of salaries…
which makes it pretty dang difficult to find out if you are being paid the same wage for the same job… especially within a 90 day period.
the only workplaces where equal pay for equal work is contractually enforced are union shops…
and even they have some pretty ingenious work arounds.. like disproportionately hiring men at a higher entry grade than women.
February 7, 2014 at 5:22 pm #802808
skeeterParticipantJoB – you’re right about the guessing being a problem. I’m highly suspicious of any study of the pay gap simply because most businesses do not publish, print, or report salary and bonus information. My employer, for example, has a strict policy of not disclosing salaries.
February 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm #802809
JoBParticipantThe raw data can be accessed through reports from the IRS but they only report very broad employment categories.
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