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February 7, 2014 at 6:58 pm #802810
waynsterParticipantSad thing is women have been underpaid in a lot of job fields its the same story until congress acts to stop this practice and we have seen what the the GOP thinks about theses issues before….. then there is this side of the story lmao…..
February 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm #802811
blblParticipantfering, I do hope you get a great intern for this very important matter. Posts like Jean’s show how much education and advocacy is needed. I think Joss Whedon’s recent statements capture the urgency:
“Equality is not a concept. It’s not something we should be striving for. It’s a necessity. Equality is like gravity. We need it to stand on this earth as men and women, and the misogyny that is in every culture is not a true part of the human condition. It is life out of balance, and that imbalance is sucking something out of the soul of every man and woman who’s confronted with it. We need equality. Kinda now”
February 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm #802812
feringMemberWow, there’s a lot of passionate discussion on this post, which just started as a call for an intern!
There are a lot of great political organizations out there working on behalf of women, both here in the U.S. and around the world. We are not trying to create another one of those. We’re not creating petitions or urging Congress to do this or that.
Rather, we are focused on helping individual women recognize their power and value and then showing them how to move ahead in their lives and careers. Part of that might be to learn how to negotiate, a skill that many of us never really developed.
After our launch event on February 19th, we will be offering workshops, classes, trainings, community building and other opportunities to learn and grow.
If you are interested in participating in our free national livestream on February 19th or to sign up to get information after the event, go to our website – http://www.taketheleadwomen.com/take-lead-challenge-launch-event.
Thanks for all of your thoughts and passion. You are all good people, and I’m glad you are my neighbors.
Kindly,
Jen
February 7, 2014 at 9:12 pm #802813
SmittyParticipant@JoB, my point EXACTLY!
In 13 years (she is 52 and he 65), when she is the age he is now and has spent the same amount of time gaining valuable experience THEN we can talk.
February 7, 2014 at 10:09 pm #802814
JoBParticipantSmitty..
laughing my backside off..
Did you not notice that her experience is actual work experience at GM?
if she was a man you would think that counted.
but she isn’t, is she.
if she was we wouldn’t be having this discussion..
btw.. she isn’t the only underpaid female CEO in America..
it seems none of them have experience or qualifications or…
even though they are as a group outperforming their male counterparts… by a lot.
that used to count for something
February 7, 2014 at 10:29 pm #802815
KBearParticipantJoB, it may be due to sexism that Mary Barra is paid far less than her male predecessor. However, it takes a true stretch of the imagination to claim that she is “underpaid”. She is simply somewhat less overpaid than her male counterparts. Not gonna feel sorry for someone making that kind of money.
February 7, 2014 at 10:36 pm #802816
JeanValjeanMemberJoB–It’s hilarious that you cite that article on the new GM CEO and instead of actually read it you seize upon a 100k difference in pay. That 100k is only a 6% difference and he got that extra 100k because he was not only the CEO but also the Chairman of GM. Further, she’s younger which means fewer years of experience. Because she’s younger she will likely get long term compensation and they haven’t declared all her short term compensations. At any rate the short term compensation is in stock and stock values go up and down. The value of the previous CEO’s stock may be worth more when he got it than the same number of shares are worth now. After she’s been on the job that stock may go back up and then she will be making more.
What you are engaging in is Confirmation Bias and you aren’t even smart enough to link to an article that actually confirms your bias. There is a reason she makes less and instead of seeing that you look only at the difference in initial salary.
Even if it turns out that she is paid significantly less I want to point out that work isn’t an entitlement. You get what you earn and if you don’t bargain well enough then you get less. She is responsible for demanding the pay she deserves. For all we know she bargained for less money in order to get something else like better benefits or more stock options down the road.
At any rate they haven’t even announced all her pay and instead of waiting until you have all the evidence you are jumping the gun because you think you’ve found something that confirms your bias.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:GM&sa=X&ei=oF31Uv7vHeGfyQGutIHQBg&ved=0CCkQ2AEwAA
February 7, 2014 at 10:48 pm #802817
JeanValjeanMemberAmalia–compensating men more because they have families is bias, but is that the real reason they are paid more?
Married men tend to hold jobs for longer periods, they work more hours and tend to be more dedicated to their jobs.
Women who are married tend to take more time off from work or may take years off to have children. This hurts their career and it hurts the businesses that hire them. But these are the choices that women make and then they expect to get paid the same even though they have large stretches of time when they aren’t working.
As for the “sending men only to talk to men” isn’t that a little unfair given how much feminists complain about rape and rape culture? At once women demand to be protected from all things and then when your employer has a policy to protect you then you claim it’s gender bias.
And the glaring flaw in the wage gap is why not hire only women? If a business can pay an all female workforce 77 cents on the dollar and get the same amount of work from them as they would from men then why not hire only women? They’d soon put their competitors out of business.
February 7, 2014 at 10:52 pm #802818
herongrrrlParticipantDid anyone else notice how the original four posts on this thread sat quietly for four weeks before Mr. ValJean suddenly arrived to enlighten us to the Whole Truth?
Don’t feed ’em, folks. They aren’t interested in any reality but their own.
February 7, 2014 at 11:20 pm #802819
JanSParticipantherongrrrl…I love how JVJ says over and over…it’s the woman’s fault…her choices…period. Otherwise there’s no problem. I’m so very glad JVJ has enlightened us all…I didn’t realize men were so wonderful, and can do so much more than us lowly women. Oh, sigh. And notice how men have no say in having children, and who stays home. They just get to have the fun of procreating, and then, well…yeah, yeah…back to women again. I doubt she forced him to have sex, though – lol..
and I won’t even touch “rape and rape culture”, like we make it up, that it doesn’t really exist JVJ, until it happens to you, I suppose the best I can say is “Shut it!”
Sigh…Moving on…
February 7, 2014 at 11:28 pm #802820
miwsParticipantherongrrrl, yep, I noticed that too.
In fact, I refrained from acknowledging/replying, what felt like forever, because the intent of this thread was not for it to be a debate, and out of respect for fering, and the Event, I didn’t want to be a part of turning it into a contentious discussion.
But, at some point, to paraphrase the Great Popeye; I’d had all I could stands, and couldn’t stands no more.
It’s one thing to disagree, but the repeated condescension and bullying attitude is offensive, and gets old real quick.
We have a few frequent commenters here on the Forums, that have opposing views to what seems to be the majority, and they are Adult, Mature, and Classy enough to argue their points, with the occasional snark, at worst. Many of us on both sides, are guilty of that from time to time.
Mike
February 8, 2014 at 12:12 am #802821
blblParticipantI’m still chuckling at the idea that a company doesn’t send women on pitches because they’re protecting them from being raped.
February 8, 2014 at 2:42 am #802822
JoBParticipantK-Bear.. you are right.. she is not underpaid. her male counterparts are grossly overpaid.
February 8, 2014 at 2:44 am #802823
JoBParticipantJean
“What you are engaging in is Confirmation Bias and you aren’t even smart enough to link to an article that actually confirms your bias. There is a reason she makes less and instead of seeing that you look only at the difference in initial salary.”
well aren’t you rude. I link to an article, you make assumptions about what i meant by that link and whether i had actually read it or not and then you accuse me of a confirmation bias…
hmmm.. methinks that shoe is on the wrong foot.
February 8, 2014 at 2:53 am #802824
JoBParticipantJean..
my oh my arent’ we at it tongiht.
“Married men tend to hold jobs for longer periods, they work more hours and tend to be more dedicated to their jobs.”
could that be because married men have support systems at home?
btw .. that ASSumption breaks down when you factor in whether or not the wife actually works an outside job.
my hubby can devote his entire life to coding because he has a wife whose job is to make it possible for him to do so.
if i worked outside the home that would be less possible. If nothing else he would have to come home to tend to his dogs.
“Women who are married tend to take more time off from work or may take years off to have children. This hurts their career and it hurts the businesses that hire them. But these are the choices that women make and then they expect to get paid the same even though they have large stretches of time when they aren’t working.”
knock knock.. this is a new century and women don’t get to take years off to have their children. family leave in this country isn’t that good and women generally return to work as soon as it is ended because their families can’t afford to have them unemployed.
now aren’t you on a roll…
“As for the “sending men only to talk to men” isn’t that a little unfair given how much feminists complain about rape and rape culture? At once women demand to be protected from all things and then when your employer has a policy to protect you then you claim it’s gender bias.”
we can’t send the little woman out in a business environment to talk to men because those men won’t be able to resist raping her?
oh my. lions and tigers and bears. oh my.
February 8, 2014 at 2:54 am #802825
JoBParticipantmiws
“But, at some point, to paraphrase the Great Popeye; I’d had all I could stands, and couldn’t stands no more.”
me too.
besides, truth be known i needed a little diversion from the ugliness i witnessed today.
i should probably thank good old Jean.. he or she or it gave me quite a laugh …
February 9, 2014 at 12:30 am #802826
amaliaParticipantOMG, the troll (JeanVJ) just made my day! Obviously, a progressive company would only send ugly women to male-dominated meetings because, well, who’d want to rape an ugly woman?
February 9, 2014 at 4:17 am #802827
PDieterParticipant“This isn’t the old feminist movement. We aren’t about blaming or complaining or rehashing the sad statistics. We’re about solutions and helping women move forward in their lives and careers.”
Nice shot at the women who paved the way for you to even raise this issue. Go back and learn your history and gain some appreciation for the women (and men) who’s efforts and sacrifices you now take for granted.
February 9, 2014 at 5:59 am #802828
HMC RichParticipantHey Kids. Like CJ I did find it ironic that it was an unpaid internship.
Funny how something that was meant to be a positive has been taken so negatively by a few.
You young whippersnappers don’t appreciate your elders. No, and they never will until they need to.
I love this thread
February 9, 2014 at 7:24 am #802829
JoBParticipantHMC.. careful how you joke about us geezers …
there is nothing more dangerous than a little old lady with an umbrella.. and in the Northwest, we all have them ;->
first, let me say that i am all for teaching women better negotiating skills..
but i too was troubled by the dissonance between the activism implied by the topic title and the disavowal in the post.
February 10, 2014 at 2:02 am #802830
HMC RichParticipantYou know I am having just a little lighthearted fun. The problem is that history is not taken into account enough on a variety of issues.
But, I am all for this group trying to further their organization. In fact, the government should give tax credits to businesses and organizations to foster internships that lead to real experience and quite often jobs. There are too many jobs programs that waste money and the people attending them don’t get the proper experience nor a chance to work in that career.
At least the person starting this thread said the right things so that the IRS doesn’t target them.
February 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm #802831
JeanValjeanMemberHMC Rich: Why should I have to pay more taxes so the government can give tax credits to businesses to hire more people and pay them nothing?
Did you know that 50 years ago a company would hire you and train you in a good job? Those skills were transferable to many industries so if you wanted to move or get a better job you could.
Today almost all training is paid for by the employee. Meanwhile, the CEO and shareholders rake in record profits.
I am absolutely against giving free money to companies to hire employees that they would already hire anyway. Employers are not altruistic. They don’t hire people and train them for fun. They do it to make money. If there is no demand it won’t matter how many subsidies you give them because they have no use for employees.
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