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May 26, 2009 at 6:03 pm #591005
ZenguyParticipantIt is sad that the Califoria Supreme Court upheld Iniative 8, I am pleased that they did not invalidate the existing marriages however.
This is just one battle on the road to equality for the gay and lesbian community and we will win in the end, Iowa and Maine are proof of that.
There is a rally at Westlake Center tonight at 5:30 for those that are interested, I will be there!
May 26, 2009 at 6:06 pm #667578
andreaParticipantit is very sad indeed.
May 26, 2009 at 6:14 pm #667579
GenHillOneParticipantI’m sorry to hear this. It was an interesting breakfast conversation this morning…
Mom: “I want them (court) to vote no on the yes prop that was a no on marriage and I really don’t want them to go back and say no to the couples who have already been told yes.”
Kid: “That’s so stupid. How could anyone keep track of what they’re voting for anyway?”
Ah yes, hope for the future.
May 26, 2009 at 6:31 pm #667580
ZenguyParticipantSurprisingly, my mother and 89 year old Grandmother are both for marriage eqality.
May 26, 2009 at 6:49 pm #667581
sarellyMemberEqual rights under the law – such a radical idea. This is a good time to support local GLBTQ advocacy groups.
May 26, 2009 at 6:55 pm #667582
Lucile 2MemberWhy does the government even regulate marriage? I’m being serious here. Maybe we should all have civil unions–anyone and everyone. I always viewed marriage as more of a religious thing, anyhow (said the agnostic woman in a domestic partnership). Does anyone know the history behind marriage rules in our country? I am honestly curious about this, and totally for equal rights, BTW.
May 26, 2009 at 7:02 pm #667583
datamuseParticipantIn this country specifically, I don’t really know, but my understanding is that the church’s involvement historically is because Back in the Day, as they say (herein defined as the Middle Ages), your local priest was pretty much the only person around who could read and write (if you were lucky) and could thus record that you WERE married. Marriage could be a pretty casual affair, really, unless large amounts of resources (like, say, countries) were involved.
I don’t know how it is for Europe in general, but in France and Hungary, at least, religious wedding ceremonies aren’t legally binding, which is why two of my cousins had two ceremonies each: they had to have the civil ceremony to be legally married. (Mind you, neither France nor Hungary has legalized gay marriage, though Belgium, the Neitherlands, Sweden, Norway, Sweden, and Spain all have.)
May 26, 2009 at 7:38 pm #667584
Lucile 2MemberInteresting, I am going to look into this. Thanks Datamuse. This topic has been on my mind for the past few weeks!
May 26, 2009 at 9:10 pm #667585
ZenguyParticipantA friend posted this on Facebook, warning it will make you cry.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=82125639753&h=0Vgg_&u=GASbE&ref=nf
May 27, 2009 at 12:19 am #667586
JoBParticipantZenguy…
i can’t come to the park today.. but my heart and my voice stand with you.
there is no excuse for legal discrimination…
repeal initiative 8!
May 27, 2009 at 4:48 am #667587
DMParticipantI’m very disappointed (make that pissed off) about the Prop 8 California Supreme court decision. This was the same group of justices who said Gay marriage was okay last year. I don’t get it. And it’s disturbing that the voters of California were allowed to vote on and restrict the civil rights of an historically discriminated minority. There’s no crime in being Gay and committed to your family. Where were the protections against hateful propositions? And where will it stop?
I feel terrible for my Gay friends and the Gay community, especially in California at the moment. Please know that not all straight people are ignorant and closed minded. I want to live in a world where you have the same rights that I do.
But someone did offer a ray of hope for the future: Perhaps the Pro Proposition 8 people will eventually notice that the new 18,000 Gay married couples in California have zero negative effects on their straight married lives, and that the communities they live in will actually be stronger.
May 27, 2009 at 5:02 am #667588
datamuseParticipantTo be fair…
The justices weren’t ruling on whether Prop 8 itself was, as they put it, “sound as a matter of policy”. Reading between the lines, I got the distinct impression that they don’t think it is. They were ruling on whether the process by which it was adopted was legal, and evidently have decided that it was.
You can read the full ruling, all 185 pages of it, here.
May 27, 2009 at 5:14 am #667589
feefeelarueMemberZenguy it did make me cry. Thank you for sharing that. Equality for ALL!
May 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm #667590
m2MemberIf there wasn’t inequality before, there sure is now. It is bad enough that same sex partners are denied equal rights, but now it is even more unequal.
How? Well, by letting the current same sex marriages stand, the California Supreme Court has created two unequal classes of even same-sex partners – those who are married and can stay married and those who cannot marry. How is that fair (or equal)?
We need equal rights for all. NOW.
May 27, 2009 at 6:55 pm #667591
B-squaredParticipantOne step forward, two steps back. And california of all places! i guess it shows what a lot of religious right money can buy.
personally, i would like to see the government issue marriage licenses to any two consenting adults – after all, it is more of a legal arrangement than a religious one. then, with license in hand, the two could have a ceremony at the institution of their choosing.
May 27, 2009 at 7:07 pm #667592
charlabobParticipantJust a reminder that a group in Washington has already mobilized to put the new *complete* domestic partnership bill on the ballot for voter disapproval in November. It’s essential to donate to and commiserate with the folks in California, but we absolutely cannot repeat their experience in Washington. The same thing can happen here unless we start immediately to mount an effective campaign against it.
May 27, 2009 at 7:34 pm #667593
JoBParticipanta good point.
May 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm #667594
AdamOnAlkiParticipantYeah. They need to repeal that hate-enriched law.
May 27, 2009 at 8:04 pm #667595
sunshineParticipantI haven’t yet seen any talk of boycotting California to protest this hate law. Can anyone point me to a link or something?
Money talks.
May 27, 2009 at 8:17 pm #667596
ZenguyParticipantThe rally was great considering it was very last minute. There were about 2,000 people or so, Ed Murray, Jamie Pederson and several other politicians were in attendance.
It is important to point out that Washington is facing a similar initiave to Prop. 8, with initiave 71 which would reverse the domestic partnership rights we currently have. Please decline to sign. I will also be complaining to any store managers if they are outside collecting signatures.
May 27, 2009 at 8:17 pm #667597
ZenguyParticipantThe rally was great considering it was very last minute. There were about 2,000 people or so, Ed Murray, Jamie Pederson and several other politicians were in attendance.
It is important to point out that Washington is facing a similar initiave to Prop. 8, with initiave 71 which would reverse the domestic partnership rights we currently have. Please decline to sign. I will also be complaining to any store managers if they are outside collecting signatures.
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