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August 10, 2008 at 4:11 am #633720
charlabobParticipantThis is either a threadjack or a return to the original thread, but I just learned that Edwards is willing, even eager, to take a paternity test and the mother refuses. I’m sorry — I just don’t get it. Or I do, and I’m sickened. Can someone please explain any possible reason, other than simple vindictiveness?
This doesn’t change my anger at John for putting the Dems eventual victory at risk, but it does make me wonder about his taste in bimbos. :-)
August 10, 2008 at 4:26 am #633721
AnonymousInactiveJoB – What skeleton, exactly, are you referring to?
I know that McCain cheated on is first wife with his current wife. But he took the appropriate steps by divorcing his wife and marrying his current wife. He’s not denying that he cheated, he’s not lying to the country about it.
Charla – I agree, I think that’s odd. Except for the possibility that she knows it might not be his.
August 10, 2008 at 6:41 am #633722
JanSParticipantso, NR, let me make sure that I’m not misunderstanding you. Are you saying it’s OK to cheat as long as you then divorce your spouse and marry the person you were doing the cheating with? Is that what I’m hearing from you? Or am I reading something into it?
I won’t judge John Edwards…there are plenty of people doing that already. Perfection is, at best, illusive, I think. My personal opinion? I believe that man was not made to be monogamous…but that’s just my opinion. It’s disappointing, of course, that he chose to do it while running for president…then again, maybe he didn’t campaign harder because he knew that it wouldn’t work. Now it’s something that needs to be left between him and his wife. It’s not our business.
August 10, 2008 at 6:43 am #633723
JanSParticipantI did just chuckle to myself, though. How far we’ve come since Jimmy Carter “lusted in his heart”…wow…and that was a scandal then. Bet a whole bunch of us would have to admit that we’ve done that, married or not ;-)
August 10, 2008 at 3:13 pm #633724
JoBParticipantNewResident..
i am talking about the female lobbyist who accompanied him in someone else’s private jet.. and seemed to have unusual access to him…
allegations the press chose not to pursue…
JanS…
John would have done better to lust in his heart… this one sounds like a real piece of work.
the reason for her choosing not to take a paternity test could be that she has had more than one man on the hook for this baby.. and if that is true.. there could be others who aren’t so willing or able to pay. if the baby is proven not to be one of the current baby sugar daddies.. then she loses out on what i would imagine is a significant income.
one has to wonder how the enquirer was alerted to her stay in the suite of that hotel and how they gained access to her room.. that speaks of someone getting a big payoff…
perhaps john was already pressing for a paternity test and she knew she was about to lose one stream of income.
there are plenty of predatory women in the world… who offer innocent flirtation and sympathy until the right moment surfaces to press further.
The trouble is that most men don’t know they have encountered one until after the fact.. when “evidence” surfaces.. evidence kept by the woman.
I am not saying that’s what happened here.. but it is what might very well have happened here.
Whatever happened, it’s sad.
August 10, 2008 at 5:55 pm #633725
charlabobParticipantRemoved because no matter how despicable the tactics of the other side, I can’t bring myself to do the same. That’s why we continue to lose. :-(
August 10, 2008 at 8:31 pm #633726
AnonymousInactiveJoB – That was exactly what you said, “alleged”.
If there had been anything to substantiate those claims, it would have been made very public. There was nothing to prove any wrongdoing between McCain and the lobbyist.
I know, though, you will blame it on the media. Don’t you think, however, had there been something damaging, Obama’s campaign would have ran with that?
August 10, 2008 at 8:40 pm #633727
AnonymousInactiveWow, JoB, I was going back through this thread and just realized that you partied with GWB! That must have been something!
I would be interested in hearing more about that.
August 10, 2008 at 9:18 pm #633728
JoBParticipantNewResident..
if you go back through the thread you will find that he was a boorish frat boy style drunk.. who was also snorting coke that day…
and it was my date’s idea to leave because the “boys” were getting out of hand with the women present.
i was very glad to leave… i found the whole thing pretty boring.
so that’s my bird’s eye view of our president..
something you didn’t see on the news although i know that his drug use was in fact.. fact. I saw him do it.
i didn’t see John McCain play patsy with the lobbyist.. but again.. i attended parties he attended in Scottsdale and let’s just say the man was not known for his inattention to good looking women… or his refusal to participate in the high class call girl parties…
Somehow it isn’t much of a stretch to me to believe he hasn’t changed much.
But even though he loved to regale reporters with the stories of his wild partying.. that sort of thing didn’t make the local papers…
Sort of makes you wonder why John Edwards little fling was such news doesn’t it.
August 10, 2008 at 10:00 pm #633729
RainyDay1235MemberIt probably won’t need to happen now that any chance at a VP nod is long gone – but I do hope we don’t need to see Elizabeth “stand by her man” – at least not right away.
I hope Edwards has the decency (ha!) and balls to shoulder his own shame and keep her out of it for now. First the the death of their eldest child, then cancer, now this?
Yes, it’s a private family matter and they should deal with it as such, but publicity will/has followed – and I am personally so sick of these political wives making immediate public appearances (many times behind sunglasses to hide red, tired eyes) while their husbands fess up. I don’t like the example that sets for young women. You are his wife (or husband) – but this is their mess and they need to deal with it and ‘ask for forgiveness’ in the public eye, not you!
But of course, politics is a WHOLE different animal!
August 10, 2008 at 10:26 pm #633730
charlabobParticipantTo me, morality and character are vitally important — in leader, in friends, in business colleagues. I appsrently have a different definition of what they are.
Stealing the government, violating the oath of office and the constitution, turning the offices of government into the private tools for cronies, throwing democrats in jail for being successful fundraisers — those are evidence of a lack of character.
Having an affair, whether with a bimbo (or a secretary of state) are not.
August 11, 2008 at 4:09 am #633731
JoBParticipantrainyday…
political couples are sometimes a world apart from us… many political wives are as busy building their own political clout as they are building their husband’s.
My bet is that Elizabeth is pretty angry that this is putting a real damper on her attempts to bring national attention to health care… especially since she must feel her time to accomplish her goals is limited.
i think removing her from the democratic convention was a real mistake on the dems part… she didn’t participate in a scandal, he did.
Right now she is a bit of a wild card as political wives go.. it’s hard to tell what she will do.
Whatever she does, i am sure she will do it with grace and style… she’s a class act.
August 11, 2008 at 4:17 am #633732
TheVelvetBulldogMemberA big thought popped into my head as I was reading this, and then I saw acemotel’s post which addressed it: How pitiful that we as a nation are more shamed and disgusted by sex than we are by violence. A politician who has a fling is abhorrent; one who creates reasons to make war resulting in death and destruction is an upstanding, moral citizen.
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wtf is wrong with us?
August 11, 2008 at 5:33 am #633733
angelescrestParticipantI am holding out hope that Bush will be held responsible for the crimes he has committed.
I don’t care what Edwards does or doesn’t do in his personal life. Had he been the front-runner, however, Rovian tactics would have insured the dems would lose, and I cannot imagine another four years of this insanity. In that way, he was treading in dangerous waters; glad he didn’t have to stay in the pool.
August 11, 2008 at 6:04 am #633734
AnonymousInactiveI finally realize why I continually come back to this forum! It continues to shock me, more and more, each time I log on.
Wow…. That’s really all that I can say about all these posts.
I do want to address JoB, however, because I find it fascinating that you have had such close relationships (more so than the average person) with such high powered, popular Republicans.
I would be curious if you have ever spent social time with any powerful Democrats and what you have witnessed during those encounters. Something tells me it is nothing compared to the Reps.
August 11, 2008 at 8:06 am #633735
JoBParticipantNew Resident…
Close relationships? I don’t think attending the same parties qualifies for a close relationship.. but maybe you do..
I have long since disclosed in this forum that i was a party girl for a while… and that i traveled in some pretty wealthy circles…
Since i lived in colorado for a while.. it’s no great surprise that i went to parties in the foothills.. and yes in the great watering holes in Colorado. I met a great number of people there… many of whom were democrats… but the real parties were pretty much in the young republican crowd.. though i don’t remember anyone talking politics much.
George wasn’t anybody other than a rich kid (he still behaved like a kid ) who happened to have a famous dad… a dime a dozen in that crowd. He was notable only for his behavior.
goes to show, you never can tell.
I lived in Phoenix while my mom was dieing.. and i got involved in the Scottsdale crowd through the quarter horse set (i grew up in Pendleton’s quarter horse set) and then through the high roller golf set. which led me to chicago.. but that’s a different story… and has little to do with politics;>
some things in a girl’s life are private, you know.
Scottsdale is a pretty republican town.. as you should know… I ran into no high roller dems in scottsdale. I think that was strictly a republican party crowd… though i don’t remember anyone ever asking me for my party affiliation and I don’t remember ever talking politics there.
my biggest brush with democratic political notables was long ago in texas… and we were all reasonably pure and righteous kids then. Any close relationships i had there had nothing to do with partying.
so sorry.. no juicy tales to tell on the dems…
but perhaps I just wasn’t in the right place at the right time to run into them.
didn’t you say you lived in McCain’s neighborhood?
August 11, 2008 at 9:45 pm #633736
JanSParticipantAugust 11, 2008 at 10:12 pm #633737
andreaParticipantJan…that was great article. thanks for posting it!
August 11, 2008 at 10:54 pm #633738
JoBParticipantshe didn’t pull any punches did she…
on the upside.. all of this may rehabilitate him quicker politically than the hang dog i did wrong approach…
i think not enough for him to ever be able to run for president.. but perhaps enough for him to be able to promote his pet project…
i so wish the scenario had been the way i envisioned.. Jon as the hapless but not helpless male…
In the end, he is just another thrill seeker… self destructing on purpose.
August 11, 2008 at 11:12 pm #633739
ZenguyParticipantWhy do they all have to make excuses though? Why not just say “I made a mistake, it is personal matter between my wife and me”? In stead it all gets parsed up to make it not seem so bad, she was in remission, there was no emotion…argh! Take responsibility for the choices you make in life.
August 11, 2008 at 11:52 pm #633740
villagegreenMemberAm I the only liberal who thought this guy was a bit off from the beginning? I can’t quite pinpoint it, but something about his demeanor creeped me out. I always thought his supposed fight for the poor and disenfranchised was more of a political ploy than a true moral obligation that he felt. He seemed to think a Kennedy-eque platform would work in the 2000’s.
Unfortunately for him, the 60’s are over – the middle class is hurting and they don’t want to hear about their obligation to help out the poor. And no one wants to think of themselves as part of that group. I’m not saying his policies were wrong, I’m just saying that his delivery was a bit outdated and unconvincing.
He had some good ideas, I just never got the sense he was truly genuine. Does this video not creep you out?
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