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August 9, 2008 at 8:00 am #633695
AnonymousInactiveJoB – We forgot about “private lives” probably because we’ve had a Republican president who HASN’T made his private life a three ring circus!!!!
August 9, 2008 at 8:27 am #633696
JeffroMemberI disagree that this is strictly a private matter. Not only was this irresponsible to his wife, it was irresponsible to the voters for holding back what everyone knows can kill a candidacy. I personally don’t care that he fooled around, but others might. He should have been considerate enough to let us know his baggage before he ran for office.
Also, he gets extra sleazeball points for smearing the Enquirer for weeks and then bearing his soul on a Friday night during the Olympics. He should have nipped it in the bud like Spitzer did. Now come the “who’s the father?” stories and the speculations of who else the Edwards campaign impregnated while they were on tour.
August 9, 2008 at 8:40 am #633697
charlabobParticipantNR, be very careful — the post bush books have yet to come out and some very interesting revelations are expected.
August 9, 2008 at 10:07 am #633698
acemotelParticipantMaybe we’d be better off if that Republican president had made his private life a three-ring circus; as it is he made the world a three-ring circus and the US the laughing stock of the very public performance. Marital fidelity is great for a happy and nurturing family life, but it does not correlate with an ability to govern. Or intelligence, unfortunately. The sins of GWB are far worse than infidelity, a million times worse.
August 9, 2008 at 4:12 pm #633699
JoBParticipantNewResident,
the press didn’t make Bush Jr’s life a three ring circus… that doens’t mean it wasn’t one.
during his campaign we didn’t hear allegations of drug abuse either.. but since i partied with the man and some of his cronies in colorado in the 80s.. i can tell you that there was plenty of evidence that was overlooked…
And those daughters of his… they made Chelsey look like a nun… but not much of that was reported either.
i wouldn’t be so smug if i were you… because history will one day reveal the truth.. and it isn’t likely to be a truth you appreciate much.
heck.. they haven’t even unsealed Bush Srs white house records yet… ever wonder why the son felt it was so important to keep a lid on those?
August 9, 2008 at 4:14 pm #633700
JoBParticipantAugust 9, 2008 at 4:19 pm #633701
charlabobParticipantJoB, I’m disappointed — I thought you had better taste than that — I’d rather party with Nixon. At least his psychoses are interesting.
Repugs don’t care about history — it’s one of those fact-based sciency things, which can just be ignored at will.
I agree with Jeffro — he had to know what this would have done to a successful candidacy and his could have been a successful candidacy. If I were a trial lawyer, I’m afraid I’d file a class action against him for fraud. :-)
Elizabeth Edwards has now been banished from the convention too. I don’t understand why (she was reportedly going to make the health care keynote.) I mean, I know Obama is a very cautious (cowardly!) pol, but this is a great disappointment.
August 9, 2008 at 4:24 pm #633702
JoBParticipantcharlabob..
it was a party. i was there. my date knew one of his friends. I didn’t much care who he was.. he was a bore. out of control frat boys are only amusing when they are still boys… and… we left early. but not before i had seen plenty.
banishing Elizabeth from the convention for her husband’s infidelity is cruel.
August 9, 2008 at 5:31 pm #633703
acemotelParticipantWe can’t assume she was banished. She’s a classy lady. I wouldn’t be surprised if she removed herself.
August 9, 2008 at 6:42 pm #633704
charlabobParticipantObama announced it — and she didn’t mention it in her long and eloquent blog post. Much as I’d like to give the benefit of some doubt to the campaign….I just can’t. :-)
August 9, 2008 at 7:00 pm #633705
AnonymousInactiveI just can’t help but think that all of Edward’s supporters who helped him and gave him their money must feel completely misled.
How arrogant can a person be to run for the most important job in America with this in his backyard?
I know that several members of this forum were big Edward’s supporters and I imagine this is so disappointing.
August 9, 2008 at 7:06 pm #633706
CaduceusMemberwhen I first heard about Edwards I was ecstatic. And I was giving serious consideration to voting.
I’m only dismayed to hear he lied about it, and in that lie professed his un-dying love for his wife.
I am not surprised that he cheated or lied for that matter, it was how he lied about the fact that he cheated.
Those of you getting up in arms about the adultery and the lying in general are a little silly. To think that politicians are immune to worldly desires and tell nothing but the honest truth is rather outlandish.
Edwards has been the best possible presidential candidate since the beginning. It’s intensely unfortunate that he dropped out.
August 9, 2008 at 7:15 pm #633707
AnonymousInactiveFrom Clinton to Edwards and everyone in between, I am always amazed that lies (even to a grand jury) don’t seem a big deal to Democrats.
I know, I know…. now everyone will tell me that Bush has lied and lives have been lost. That’s a whole other argument.
When a politician’s wife, who was sworn to in front of family, friends and God that he would honor, love and be faithful to, can’t even trust her own husband, why should a nation?
August 9, 2008 at 7:29 pm #633708
AnonymousInactive“I am always amazed that lies (even to a grand jury) don’t seem a big deal to Democrats” This is a petty, flaming statement.
If you want to go there, let’s review a few Republican sexcapades and see how many you’ve been upset about.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
For the record, lying bothers me a lot and this story is extremely disappointing.
August 9, 2008 at 7:32 pm #633709
CaduceusMemberNR She may still very well trust him, Mr. and Mrs Edwards may very well be working through tis situation with great success. As JoB pointed out.
Edwards only has himself to handle sexual urges at any point in time, as sexual urges are impulsive.
While leading a nation, he has an entire people to consult.
The difference between his personal life and his hypothetical spot in leading the nation is just that…
Individual as opposed to leading the greater whole.
Adultery is a common mistake, as natural instinct isn’t as easy to avoid as perhaps a war?
Not to be a jerk but I can’t justify comparing his personal life to his political one beyond the basic character defining aspect.
I guess to summarize, I recognize a bold difference between mistakes in one’s personal life and in one’s political life. And there are too many variables in-between, and too many reasons and people involved to successfully connect the two.
August 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm #633710
AnonymousInactiveJT – You’re right, any kind of lying by any kind of person (especially someone selected by the people to run our government, our nation) is disappointing. And hurtful.
Cadudeus – That’s exactly the point, the character of a person. There are actually people (and politicians) who are able to suppress this “natural instinct” that you seem to feel is beyond control.
August 9, 2008 at 7:52 pm #633711
JeffroMemberNewRes, if you want a full-on three-ring circus, you should review the activities of your party’s candidate starting in the fifties and going on up to the point he became senile a few years ago. I’m not one to say infidelity should disqualify a person from being president, but if it did you’d certainly have to disqualify McCain.
Personally, I prefer the stories about high-priced callgirls and office romances to the ones about wide-stance bathroom stall foot-tapping and underage Senate page-boys that the Republicans seem to excel at.
August 9, 2008 at 8:04 pm #633712
AnonymousInactiveJeffro – That was pretty funny, I must admit.
August 9, 2008 at 8:22 pm #633713
CaduceusMemberAs I’m aware my dear NR. :]
And Edwards is at the moment, not one of them. Does that mean all his progress and everything phenomenal about his political stances is all for not?
If anything, it shows the gap between his personal and political life is smaller than most other politicians. Is that not one of the larger problems people have with politicians, is that they’re too distant and seem to ignore “average” problems “average” American’s seem to go through?
If anything it makes him more relatable, and brings him closer to home.
Being un-faithful isn’t acceptable and I’m not trying to make it seem like its not a big deal. But it isn’t an isolated event and like everyone else in his shoes (personal life) he will carry it with him ’till the end of his days. But I still don’t see it’s any reason to disown him, regardless of your political stance. (mine being undecided)
And I didn’t over-exaggerate your argument to make mine look better, I would appreciate if you would return the courtesy. :]
August 9, 2008 at 8:57 pm #633714
AnonymousInactiveMy dear Caduceus – I’m not sure where I allegedly “over-exaggerated” your argument. I pointed out agreement with your comment on basic character.
Just like anything, certain violations (personal, professional, moral, etc.) affect everyone differently. Some don’t think Edward’s mistake is a big deal, some do.
August 9, 2008 at 10:57 pm #633715
JoBParticipantNewResident..
I am so glad to hear that you think infidelity speaks to character.
I am so sorry that you will be forced to end your support of John McCain. Not only was he unfaithful to one wife in the past to acquire a newer, healthier, richer model.. there is a fidelity skeleton in his current campaign closet as well.
I know how disappointed you must be:)
August 9, 2008 at 11:44 pm #633716
angelescrestParticipantVery rich, JoB.
August 10, 2008 at 1:07 am #633717
flipjackParticipantI really have a hard time with humans that think they are more “moral” than other humans. The fact of the matter is: None of us know the real truth of the situation no matter what any media outlet has reported.
Sitting and judging other people’s actions is at best a superfluous way to entertain and bloat one’s supposedly superior moral ego in the name of nothing-better-to-do.
Politicians do it all the time whether we know it or not (JFK for example). It has nothing to do with how they lead a country (unless you are a right wing christian maybe). I don’t need a “morally superior” automaton zombie to run things.
Someone that actually makes a human mistake that only proves that he has real human feelings and desires is way better than the psychopaths in the whitehouse now.
So since “W” hasn’t been caught cheating that makes him a better president than say Clinton?!?!
Man, no wonder the Europeans think we’re such prudes.
August 10, 2008 at 1:18 am #633718
ErikParticipant:X
August 10, 2008 at 2:18 am #633719
JoBParticipantflipjack..
right now the europeans think we are worse than prudes. they think we are fools…
and i so wish that was a joke.
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