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September 8, 2008 at 8:30 pm #637731
WSratsinacageMemberThanks concerned. I am quite conservative but interestingly, I am very liberal when it comes to free speech. But this guy crosses the line IMO. I’ve always had an issue with corporal punishment. It disturbs me as torture does.
September 8, 2008 at 9:17 pm #637732
AnonymousInactiveI come from a fundamentalist family of child abusers (I mean discipline spankers). We all had the crap beat out of us in the name of godly love. Myself and all my siblings are majorly f***-ed up (yes, you can remind me of that in the political threads! :) Haven’t spoken to any of them in more than a decade and have no plans to. The emotional consequences, as stated by WSrats, is a lifelong struggle. Mars Hill readers, please reconsider supporting this kind of event.
September 8, 2008 at 9:34 pm #637733
KenParticipantUse google if you find a term you are not familiar with. Also note WSrats, real internet geeks are often in their 50’s and 60’s. I have email archives older than many of the posters here.
Freeper describes a denizen of the web site/blog Free Republic. It is one of the oldest ultra conservative sites on the web and at least one of the charter members is a 65 year old Seattle network admin I have known for decades. Many there only seem as if they were 12 years old since many of the more moderate and lucid original members have long been purged.
http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeper
The term Freeper troll seems to be a popular term at Democratic Underground, a nearly unmoderated forum where trolls are not confronted by the residents “ratings” system which works (imperfectly sometimes) to hold down the signal to noise ratio on other popular blogs like slashdot and dailyKos.
Trolls can be any ideology and often cannot stick to the same dogma if the temptation to abuse a different group is triggered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
September 8, 2008 at 9:35 pm #637734
WSratsinacageMemberI wish you the best JT. I am on speaking terms with my family but it is a little awkward when we are together as a family. I think one reason we are not close is because of what was seen as normal by my parents. I am a parent now and I just can’t relate in the slightest to my parents or to those who spank. It just sickens me, whenever I think about it, it never gets any easier there is no getting desensitized.
Thankfully, corporal punishment was outlawed in school. I remember going to school in fear. I never got swatted but teachers used to get a sick thrill out of it. Very sadistic. I think I saw glimpses of traits serial killers have where they have no sympathy and what gives them a thrill is to see others in pain. We live in a F’ed up world!
September 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm #637735
WSratsinacageMemberThanks Ken!
September 8, 2008 at 9:39 pm #637736
AnonymousInactiveThank-you WSratsinacage, and back at you. I appreciate and admire someone making a concerted effort to stop the cycle. You are to be commended.
September 8, 2008 at 9:49 pm #637737
charlabobParticipantThanks, Ken — I haven’t had time to reply. In this case, I’m referring to a specific person and I’m doing a little research to find out if my suspicions are correct.
I myself am a troll ON freeper — have been for years. Unlike these forums (and leftists, in general) they kick me off when I say something they don’t like, which is about anytime I delurk. Mostly I lurk and report what they’re up to. Part of my opp research. And I defend even their right to free speech. Though they would not do the same for me.
The real life freepers I know aren’t quite that old — but they do claim to be charter members. Perhaps that was after one of the many purges.
I am a little sad — I thought *I* invented the term freeper troll. Damn, back to the drawing board. How about snarkalicious? Can I take credit for that? :-)
September 8, 2008 at 11:01 pm #637738
ZenguyParticipantNope, I think Blayne beat you on that one too…lol
September 9, 2008 at 5:36 am #637739
NicoMemberEleven days til Tripp sets foot in Seattle.
To all those who have been affected by abusive religious child-rearing practices, please accept my sympathies. My family has been impacted too, which is probably why I’m struggling so much with this.
September 9, 2008 at 6:20 am #637740
JennyMember>charlabob: Thanks, Ken — I haven’t had time to reply. In this case, I’m referring to a specific person and I’m doing a little research to find out if my suspicions are correct.
Ooh, ooh, do lemme know what you find out. :) Here’s a hint: Je****. (edit: would’ve been too easy for you. What’d be the fun in that?)
> I myself am a troll ON freeper — have been for years. Unlike these forums (and leftists, in general) they kick me off when I say something they don’t like, which is about anytime I delurk. Mostly I lurk and report what they’re up to. Part of my opp research. And I defend even their right to free speech. Though they would not do the same for me.
Funny thing is, if you replace “freeper” with “DU” & “kick me off” with “tombstoned me” & “leftists” with “conservatives”, I’ve seen that paragraph been posted many times on FR by people who lurk at DU! (Not by me. I can’t bring myself to care enough to play mole. But hey, different strokes…)
> Are we really debating whether infants should be beaten? As far as I can see, the freeper troll is the only person who came close and even (s)he only disputed the citation. Thank you WSB forumites, for restoring my dwindling faith in humanity. :-)
Please – FORMER freeper. As Ken said, FreeRepublic USED to welcome rational conservatives, but no more. Now it’s just a mirror image of DU.
And if I wanted to troll I wouldn’t be nearly so polite, nor would I be interested in bringing up boring things like accurate cites.
For the record, after perusing the Amazon comments & this thread, Tripp does sound pretty scary.
September 9, 2008 at 6:32 am #637741
theeParticipantmoreover, these people enjoy a tax free pulpit to spew this nonsense. let’s end the free ride for religion in this country.
thanks!
thee
September 9, 2008 at 4:05 pm #637742
JoBParticipantSome of us survive beating and mental abuse as children… i was beaten brutally for saying that communism was a basically good idea that would never work… and that is just one example… but I have never met someone who was beaten who thrived. Somewhere in our private history lurks therapist and/or a painful struggle with self discovery.
We are the good examples. There are those who go on to deny harm and perpetuate the behavior.
and then there are those we never talk about for whom beating the bare backsides of children generates sexual pleasure… which for many children means more “discipline” than a spanking.
Many of those go one to perpetuate the behavior as well.
Yes, children need to be disciplined.. but physical punishment doesn’t make most children think about what they did wrong.. it makes them think about how not to get caught… and for some it escalates bad behavior.. if they can’t escape punishment they may as well do what they want…
I would never suggest that any church was bad.. i think there is always a redeeming quality in the message of god’s love… but i do think preaching physical discipline.. especially of infants and toddlers.. is harmful to their well being and to the well being of our society.
is it possible to get a “Tripp to speak in Seattle” story out to a news outlet that educates people to his message?
could TR do one since Mars Hill church is in West Seattle?
We can certainly write letters tot he editor about the upcoming event to the seattle papers and alert the local news stations…
sometimes a little publicity can go a long ways…
we can also participate in a picketing of the event.. and let the local news media know about it… if there are enough of us, it will get into the news…
None of this will stop this event.. but it may make them think twice about further events.. and pickets may actually keep some who would attend away.
there is nothing you can do about those who will go listen to another speaker ratify their beliefs.
September 9, 2008 at 5:25 pm #637743
ConcernedparentMemberJoB, Thank you for sharing your story. I’m sorry that you were abused but glad that you survived and are willing to speak out about it and try to stop the cycle.
I am actually visiting from the Ballard Blog, Nico also posted the original post over there and I posted about needed to protest this visit and did not get a very warm welcome from the other members. I happen to do a google search for Ted Tripp Visit to Seattle and found this site to be in active discussion about it. Long story short, I tried to get the Ballard community together for a protest but was met with apathy. I would love it if there was some kind of protest. I believe he is speaking in person in Ballard and it will be teleconferenced to the other sites (Lake City, West Seattle, Shoreline and Bellevue). I would understand if you want to protest in your own neighborhood but would you consider protesting over here for the live visit? Also, I’ve posted on some local moms groups and they have passed it onto the leader of PEPS (program for early parenting support) and to Nicole Brodeur and Danny Westneat at the Times. If we could get the attention of someone at King5 to do a television report that would get en even wider audience.
September 9, 2008 at 5:42 pm #637744
JoBParticipanta protest at the live event would get the most television coverage.. and yes.. even though i don’t normally choose to expend my limited energy on protests.. i would gladly participate in this one.
I survived the worst of all three kinds of abuse.. two of which were perpetrated in the name of religion.. physical and mental abuse. The last, sexual abuse was just a side benefit for my stepdad which my mom unknowingly facilitated by handing all physical punishment over to him.
I would not agree to any kind of televised interview because my brothers are the sons of that stepdad… and mom had discontinued the worst of her abuse with them… and i won’t publicly embarass them… but i will gladly protest.
and i will ask others to join me.
you can contact me at joanne at brayden dot org
September 9, 2008 at 5:45 pm #637745
JoBParticipanti just realized that i am perpetrating the abuse by declining to be more public…
yet.. i don’t know how to resolve this conflict.
my brother still lives in the northwest and it is highly likely that someone who knows him would see and forward any interview to him.
i recognize my own hypocrisy… but still don’t know what to do about it.
September 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm #637746
JoBParticipantit looks like i am going to become involved in a protest.
is anyone else here willing to work with me on this?
September 9, 2008 at 10:59 pm #637747
ZenguyParticipantCount me in. I have not posted on this because of my upbring as well, ping pong paddles, hand made paddles with holes drilled in them and 2x4s not to mention the mental cruelty.
Let me know, you can email me at zenguy@hotmail.com
September 10, 2008 at 3:21 pm #637748
WSratsinacageMemberI might be up for protesting in Ballard or where ever but if we encounter any counter protestors, someone is probably going to have to hold me back.
September 10, 2008 at 3:40 pm #637749
JoBParticipantI think full disclosure is important here.
Nico has joined the WSB forum specifically because of this issue… after a failed attempt to get a group centered around a Ballard forum active.
I don’t know if Nico is West Seattle or not… tho i would appreciate disclosure.
they had no luck, so I think they tilled what they hoped would be fertile soil.
it turns out they were right. West Seattle is fertile soil for this kind of injustice.
It doesn’t make any difference to me that Nico only joined us for one issue… although if they are west seattle, i would hope they would see the benefit of continuing to post here…
This is an important issue to me… one i have personal experience with.. and it’s something our society has passed laws to stop.
Teaching young parents how to circumvent the laws passed to protect their children goes far beyond talking about the need for discipline at home.
WSratsinacage.. i don’t want to end up in some fight that lands me in jail.. tho i suspect any circumstance that i would be involved in that would land me in jail would only expose the ugliness implicit in this event. I still have no intention of going there. So, you can count on me to hold you back.
anyone interested in participating in as leveraged an event as I can assist in negotiating for us, please contact me at joanne@brayden.org.
September 10, 2008 at 4:10 pm #637750
ConcernedparentMemberHi All,
Again, I’m also visiting from the Ballard Blog. Nico posted there, I responded with concern and got bashed and made fun of. I found you guys after doing a google search on Ted Tripps visit and saw that you had a good conversation going on the topic. Thank you West Seattle for being extremely civilized people.
While over here I’ve read some of your other forum topics and I’m impressed by your ability to keep things polite even with pretty hot button issues. The ballard blog gets a lot of trollish posts and can spiral down to juvenile name calling within 10 posts. I’m amazed that you guys have political topics that have hundreds of posts.
Anyway, hats off to you!
September 10, 2008 at 4:30 pm #637751
GenHillOneParticipantFor those that have told your stories, I’m so very sorry this happened to you. I can’t begin to know what it feels like. I respect the guts it takes to share your history, as I respect those who choose to not. It does go to show you that you just never know about the person next to you.
Years ago, I heard a psychologist ask, “Does your face light up when your child enters the room?” and it has always stuck with me. What a lovely, simple gesture to impart love and security.
It’s been a busy first week of school, so I am going to be sure I remember “the light” this afternoon – thank you for the thought-provoking thread.
September 10, 2008 at 4:39 pm #637752
KenParticipantSpeaking of child abuse…
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140
It does not always involve physical punishment.
Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character. “Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse,” the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: “Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives.”
Also note Tripp and Dobson’s behavioral mod tecniques are specifically promoted within the Assemblies of God and it’s off shoots and re branded stealth sects and “cell church” cults worldwide.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_pent.htm
As a NC native in a Scotch Irish region, I have had long contact with these groups and I am sure it influences some of my utter disdain for authoritarian Christianity.
September 10, 2008 at 4:46 pm #637753
JoBParticipantKen,
tho a deeply committed christian, my experience with more than one church and the lack of response by church leaders to abusive parenting has contributed to my lack of respect for organized religion.
Is this what jesus would do? i think not.
However, i think abuse of children is widespread in our society.. tho not generally promoted with the zeal and forethought that is encouraged in some religious sects.
although i am categorically against all child abuse… i too believe in a faces lighting as children walk into the room…
the zeal and forethought is what i intend to protest.
September 10, 2008 at 4:49 pm #637754
JoBParticipantconcerned parent…
i didn’t mean to trash this effort in any way…
i think this blog remains one where we can talk about many issues fairly civilly because of the integrity of most of it’s posters.
the disclosure was in keeping with that integrity…
besides… even more disclosure… had i not mentioned it, someone else would have mentioned it for me and claimed either that i was the devil’s agent or a dupe.. being neither, i disclosed first ;~>
September 10, 2008 at 4:58 pm #637755
ConcernedparentMemberI wasn’t complaining about you guys, I was honestly saying thanks for keeping this conversation going. And I wanted to disclose that I was visiting too and was having absolutly no luck with the Ballard Blog. Sad as that is the community that I live in. Anything up for sale in WS? :)
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