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March 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm #786579
DBPMemberThanks, Tezz.
Please e-mail me one of these days. I have some info to impart.
DP_Editor @ Comcast.net
March 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm #786580
CaitParticipantFind my love for pit bulls insulting all you want, I know many that I love dearly. If my love for something offends you, you need to look at how imflammatory that statement is. It’s not like it’s that controversial a statement, either. Also, I never reported any comment on that thread, so find another scapegoat.
And as for what you’re suggesting here, Why do you feel the need to do it here? There’s nothing uniquely “West Seattle” about arguing with DBP. Do it on DBP’s fantasy blog that he’s starting – I’m sure you guys will have fun. Let the rest of us who come here for information, reviews, FYIs and productive discussion (you know, the things listed above where we are specifically asked to keep it West Seattle based and civil) have the West Seattle Blog.
March 26, 2013 at 9:43 pm #786581
JanSParticipantwhoa, whoa. Tesla…I was unhappy in the fact that you were being rude on those threads. I don’t ever do things out of meanness.If you all want to discuss pitbulls into infinity, fine. Just be civil. Just be non- accusatory. Just be informative, and don’t think yours is the only opinion. You act as if you, and only you, have the right facts. And, for the record, I had nothing to do with getting those posts removed.
Not even sure why you are accusing me of something. I didn’t bring pitbulls up on this thread.
There is no “gang” that runs things. There is no “gang” that tells the editors what is and isn’t allowed. There is no “gang” that reports things they don’t like constantly. That’s insulting to the editors. And totally false. If the editors/moderators make the rules, it’s respectful of all of us, including you, to abide by them, even if we disagree.
Having said all this, let’s not make this a back and forth about you, me, Cait, DBP. How about we stick to the topic of the thread..I’m done.
March 26, 2013 at 11:46 pm #786582
DBPMemberThere is no “gang” that tells the editors what is and isn’t allowed. There is no “gang” that reports things they don’t like constantly. That’s insulting to the editors.
–True, Jan. I disagree with Tesla’s claim that there’s some “gang that runs things.” However, I believe that there are certain people who see themselves as being the cops of the blog, and these people are constantly on the lookout for things that break the rules (or just things that are disagreeable to them personally).
These folks exist on EVERY blog, not just this one. Ironically, they are as much of a problem for the moderators as the bullies, but they don’t get that, because they THINK what they’re doing is helping.
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I have no money, but I’d bet you this year’s apple crop that if you were to do a statistical analysis on who is more likely to flag a post, the “flagger” profile would look like this:
1) Female
2) Liberal
3) Animal lover
Conservative he-men are already in the minority here, as they are in Seattle generally. But in terms of the flagging population, they are almost nonexistent.
March 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm #786583
DBPMemberCait said:
There’s nothing uniquely “West Seattle” about arguing with DBP. Do it on DBP’s fantasy blog that he’s starting – I’m sure you guys will have fun. Let the rest of us who come here for information, reviews, FYIs and productive discussion (you know, the things listed above where we are specifically asked to keep it West Seattle based and civil) have the West Seattle Blog.
–Thanks for the plug, Cait. I wasn’t going to mention my blog again (today), because I thought it might be in bad taste, but you just resolved that dilemma for me.
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You ladies amuse me, though. Really.
Why can’t you just admit that you need guys around so you can have someone to argue with?
We’ll admit that we’re obtuse.
We’ll admit that we don’t appreciate (or understand) your feelings.
And you admit that you need someone to argue with.
What would happen if we went on strike? It’d be like Lysistrata in reverse.
If us guys finally just gave in and shut up, you’d panic, because arguing with each other just ain’t the same thing now, is it?
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How many times have you and Jan said: “OK, I’m done. I’m outta here. That’s the last thing I’m gonna say . . .”
–And then a guy will say something and SHAZZAM! you’ll appear like the genie in the lamp, all jazzed up and ready to go another five rounds.
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
Cait, you did it like three times on the poop-in-a-can thread alone.
Do you really think our memories are that bad?
March 27, 2013 at 12:27 am #786584
FionaEnzoParticipantFrom a distance I’d have to say I think you’re all well-intentioned. Your common ground is that you care about a variety of issues, some important and some simply keeping the conversational ball in play.
Nickelsville and pit bulls are difficult issues/realities. The way the group is processing these may be necessary to reach some honest common ground. Groups go through stages of development; I guess it is the same with virtual groups (although I know some of you have met in person). The group process is a honeymoon period then a variety of conflicts which force people to stand up and be counted as their values require. I enjoy the give and take, so hope many different opionated people will continue to speak (without name calling).
March 27, 2013 at 12:52 am #786585
JiggersMemberMarch 27, 2013 at 1:15 am #786586
FionaEnzoParticipantI miss Hoop.
March 27, 2013 at 3:56 am #786587
CaitParticipantBringing up the poop thread too? *thumbs down, fart noise* REHASH ALL THE THINGS! lol
March 27, 2013 at 4:00 am #786588
JoBParticipantDBP..
i bet it would surprise you to learn that i have flagged only one post
and it wasn’t even directed at me
your assumptions are showing
March 27, 2013 at 4:26 am #786589
JanSParticipantwow…just wow…I see swelled heads abounding. I am female, liberal, and an animal lover. Since the inception of this forum, I may have reported someone maybe 3 times.
He men? Are you effing kidding me? Well, we women know where the hell we stand, don’t we? Guess we’ve been told, huh…
I’m pretty offended, DBP and Jiggers, but not enough to keep me away…just away from you :(
The sad part is, in all seriousness, I thought DBP was actually a friend..fooled me!
besides, what’s wrong with being female, liberal, and an animal lover?
March 27, 2013 at 5:37 am #786590
dobroParticipant“…but I’d bet you this year’s apple crop that if you were to do a statistical analysis on who is more likely to flag a post, the “flagger” profile would look like this:
1) Female
2) Liberal
3) Animal lover”
Boy, you’re really on a roll with the ignorant, non-factual, offensive assumptions. Is the tagline for your new blog going to be “No gurlz allowed”?
March 27, 2013 at 6:13 am #786591
WorldCitizenParticipantShow of hands: who here has flagged something? If so, how many times total?
I’ll start: zero
March 27, 2013 at 6:25 am #786592
JiggersMemberZero here..
March 27, 2013 at 6:25 am #786593
JanSParticipantand your point? Bully for you…I guess
yes, this whole thread is weird…
it’s not a contest…and if so, you/ we are chasing a whole lot of people away. No wonder it’s just a handful of posters…
March 27, 2013 at 6:32 am #786594
CaitParticipantZero. And also what Jan said.
March 27, 2013 at 2:41 pm #786595
WorldCitizenParticipantIt seems that the question of weather a small group of people have taken the liberty of flagging threads has arisen and there’s been a challenge to this notion. This seems a pretty decent way to answer the objections. No real need to say what the flagged incidence was about or when it (or they) happened. Just how many times.
Think of it as de facto evidence to prove or disprove your stance. That’s all.
March 27, 2013 at 3:04 pm #786596
JoBParticipantcould it be that the content of the posts are what got them flagged and not some marauding nanny-state crew of forum vigilantes?
hmmmm …. could be.
Is this a good time to remind people that the ratio of people who post on the forum to those who read the forum is really really small?
if there is a marauding crew of nanny reporters policing forum posts.. statistically it’s far more likely to contain people who don’t post here…
myself.. i think it’s offensive content that gets posts flagged…
but if you are into conspiracy theories i leave you with the thought that your theoretical conspiracy group is as likely to contain people who you never see or hear ….
big brother .. or sister … is watching you ;-> ;->
March 27, 2013 at 3:43 pm #786597
WSBKeymasterWhile NOBODY and I mean NOBODY has facts about post flags but the two of us who own, and run, and are ultimately accountable (ethically, legally, and many other “-ly’s”) for this site (P and I are the only people with forum editorial access): I will tell you that JoB’s speculation is correct.
… with the additional fact that flags are very rare. Fewer than one a day. Often not even one a week, except for our outbreak of prolific spam a month or two ago. Spam is by far the most common flag-trigger.
And the vast majority of people who flag posts ARE people who are readers but generally not commenters. I don’t know their genders and don’t care. I thank them for caring enough to take the time to help keep this a relatively safe place to share information neighbor-to-neighbor.
I will not comment further.
P.S. The “report this post” function is still broken so far as I know, so as I mentioned somewhere else, if something needs to be called to our attention, please e-mail or text us. https://westseattleblog.com/contact
Tracy
March 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm #786598
JiggersMemberTR– I’ve noticed some of my comments on the front home page stories don’t make it up. Are those being moderated heavier than usual or is that a filtering issue?
March 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm #786599
miwsParticipantThanks for your input on this, Tracy.
I’m a spammer-flag-aholic, but as far as flagging non-spam posts, don’t recall how many, or perhaps more accurately few, times, or when I last did.
I more often come back to a thread, to find a note from WSB, saying that a particular comment had been flagged, expressing thanks, and the post removed.
When I think back to the post, (if I can recall at least the gist of it), it was one that went over my head as being inappropriate, or it didn’t occur to me how inappropriate it was.
Mike
March 27, 2013 at 4:12 pm #786600
JustSarahParticipantThis liberal female animal lover has little to say except that I have never flagged a DBP post. I’ve certainly rolled my eyes at many–most recently, a very questionable comment in a thread discussing the word “ghetto”–but have never actually seen a comment of his truly break a forum rule, so I’ve never flagged one.
I have definitely flagged my share of spam, and some rants that are in blatant violaion of the rules.
March 27, 2013 at 4:14 pm #786601
DBPMemberdilbro . . . I just wanna say . . .
March 27, 2013 at 4:19 pm #786602
DBPMemberdilbro . . . I just wanna say . . . I’m still waiting for you to say something nice about someone other than Obama and the Democratic Party.
On the other hand . . . if the death-metal bluegrass thing doesn’t pan out, you can always teach seminars in negativity.
[No wait! You have to actually like people to do that.]
Never mind.
March 27, 2013 at 4:29 pm #786603
DBPMemberRe: Flagging
OK, first off, thanks to all the people who DON’T flag my posts. Good karma, and I owe you one.
On the female/liberal thing, all I know is, it often happens that right before a threads gets pulled, a bunch of persons of the female/liberal persuasion will come on there and object to it.
And then, next thing you know, it’s gone.
So does that mean that the same people who were “offended” were the ones who flagged it and got it removed?
No. And in fact, I never said that.
It might mean, however, that the self-appointed cops-of-the-blog (you know, the ones who never say anything but who feel like they have the right to keep others from speaking) . . . it might mean that these folks think: “Hey. People are getting offended by this post. Think I’ll flag it.”
And then, when a real moderator visits the thread . . . Sure enough! People ARE being offended.
So down it comes.
It’s like a tag-team operation. See?
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