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April 21, 2008 at 11:31 pm #622474
LBGMemberalright….alright, I think everyone needs to stop responding to lintle on this. One of two things is happening, either lintle has had a few early afternoon cocktails at a pub that lintle will go to, or the school bus just dropped lintle off at the house and lintle was just now able to log on to the discussion again. Either one is a possibility when you try to decipher lintle’s post. Oh lintle….
Hilarious how lintle says that WSJ said it best! and then goes on to misrepresent what she said. Her court comment referred to the fact that she wouldn’t swear on the timing….she also says that the owner should have reprimanded his employees for seating the group. I think the court that will decide this is the one where the jury(people in WS) decide whether or not they will continue to frequent this establishment.
Court is in session…the honorable consumer is presiding…
April 22, 2008 at 12:46 am #622475
WSJMemberI did say that I wouldn’t swear to the timeline, but I am sure that their party was there when I left. And I’m sure that I didn’t leave until after 11:00, probably closer to 11:30. That would means, if they were seated around 9:20(according to faithful1), then they were there for at least an hour and a half, probably close to two hours.
And though faithful thought the length of their stay was irrelevant, I disagree. If they were able to turn our table over in just over 30 minutes, they should have been to turn their tables over three or four times in the time they were there.
The point of my post was to show that there was most-likely an inconvenience that resulted in a loss of revenue to the cafe due to the size of the party and the length of their stay. I wouldn’t be surprised if some customers went somewhere else when told of the wait time for a table. That would be business that is lost.
All that being said, however, I still think the owner acted inappropriately. Yelling at the customer is going to cause him to lose more business (as we’ve seen here). I just wanted to point out that his frustration came from somewhere.
April 22, 2008 at 1:22 am #622476
lintleMemberLBG if the first guests stay was over an hour and the server had to serve food twice because of stragglers, in the restaurant business that is a huge inconvenience. also she is a server. not a business owner and should not be making command decisions on something she does’nt truly understand.
Before all this I was with you guys but now i’m with the big guy! sit on that, ha ha ha ha!!!!
April 22, 2008 at 1:38 am #622477
JoBParticipantjimmyG..
i wouldn’t have to call 911. try leaving a restaurant after you have ordered without paying for the food.. whether you have eaten it or not… you won’t have to call 911..they call for you:) trust me.
i too spent my time in the restaurant business.. from a breakfast place to fine dining.. and i encountered more than my share of rude customers…
but an owner should never take out on customers mistakes he feels his servers have made…
if he does not want larger parties at his restaurant all he has to do is announce the policy to his staff…
when you call or show up.. they say no. it works amazingly well.
the group was there. they were seated… they had ordered. their food had arrived…
what did he gain by his behavior?
what was he likely to lose?
bad choice from every perspective…
April 22, 2008 at 2:55 am #622478
apattalochiParticipantlintle, I think you are either on drugs or drinking too much. in your case, I hope you continue to eat at alki cafe. I think you and the owner could be really good friends, if your not already!
April 22, 2008 at 3:14 am #622479
goodvisitMemberCan I chime in here??? I am most sorry for the young ladies personal loss. I am still grieving for the loss of my own child. I grieved in alot of different ways, but one thing I DID NOT DO, is dump my problems on the staff and management of an unsuspecting ma&pa breakfast place. I WAS THERE, the morning you had your ‘wake’ at the cafe… I thought it was rather morbid. Thats why we left… and others around you left… DID YA NOTICE??? I just live upstairs, and ablolutely love the place. But hope to not not experience another caddy bunch of young 90210, princesses, EXPLOITING, such grave personall losses, BULLY around the staff and MGMT of the ALKI CAFE… You should be ashamed… I walked by a couple hours later, and everyone was still there!!! laughing and having a GREAT time… I THOUGHT YOU WERE HAVING A TERRIBLE TIME!!! Dropping a bomb on unsuspecting people and running to a safe place to ‘preach’ your ‘angle’ is TERRORISM… Perhaps next time, you will go to CHUCKIE CHEESE!!! They are better equipt to deal with spoiled brats there!!!
April 22, 2008 at 4:05 am #622480
JoBParticipantis it possible we have more than one sign in name for one person?
the story is slightly different, but the voice seems the same…
and please.. you don’t need to shout. we can hear you just fine.
April 22, 2008 at 4:12 am #622481
AnonymousInactiveMaybe there really are TWO sides to every story?
Could be the same person, though, JoB.
However, I was wondering, when I initially read the first post on this thread, why anyone would feel the need to explain, in detail, the recent tragedy this family experienced. I think that is something I would keep to myself. If a friend of mine told some stranger about it, well, are they really my friend?
Anyways, if “goodvisit” was there and not included in the gathering of women, it’s interesting to get an unbiased opinion on the situation.
April 22, 2008 at 4:16 am #622482
TammiWSMemberI’m sorry for the loss the OP suffered. While everyone has an opinion and use these boards to share info, lately some of the threads have become so angry and negative. People can say whatever they feel and then hide behind the words and then become so insensitive and obnoxious. I wonder if these same people would be like this in person? Does everyone have to be right or have the last word? Take what the OP said and go to Alki Cafe, or dont. You have the choice. End of discussion.
April 22, 2008 at 4:22 am #622483
AnonymousInactiveTammiWS – It’s called “differing opinions”. Everyone has a different opinion on MOST things and a forum is a place to voice those and maybe even debate or defend those opinions.
Personally, I have met a lot of the members of this forum and still enjoy a good debate here and there. I certainly don’t “hide” behind anything I say and I can’t think of any members I’ve met that do. We state our opinions and debate. It’s not only interesting, but can also be enlightening.
April 22, 2008 at 4:38 am #622484
AnonymousInactiveTammiWS, Forum: A public meeting or assembly for open discussion
Because of this opportunity, you were able to state your opinion. Why is that the end of the discussion? By all means, you can move on, but don’t tell others when to stop talking.
April 22, 2008 at 4:45 am #622485
TammiWSMemberOMG…Way overracting here. End of discussion on the topic for ME. Im not telling anyone when to discuss, debate or that they cant have a different opinion or talk about this issue further. Good example of what the typed word can do when talking, emotion and facial expressions are absent. The point of my post was simply to say I’m tired of the negativeness.
April 22, 2008 at 4:48 am #622486
JoBParticipanti think TammiWS is right though.. that this has become a slugfest it didn’t need to be…
there seems to be a lot of righteous indignation going on here on both sides…
and a lot of new voices with very strong opinions… i just wonder if it is possible that we don’t have as many new voices here as we think…
the good news is that’s not our job to sort out :)
To those for whom this thread struck a cord.. welcome to the discussion. i hope your interest trickles over to other threads…
to those who might be looking for a place to agitate… head to the political threads. there’s plenty of agitation there…
of course both sides will probably expect your comments to be well thought out.. not just vitriolic tirades… but that does make the debate more interesting.. doesn’t it ;->
April 22, 2008 at 4:54 am #622487
LBGMemberThis discussion has deteriorated into something very ugly.
NewResident….does it really seem like goodvisit is giving an unbiased view of things? Can one actually, intellectually come to this conclusion? I think not. Not with the vitriol that they are spewing. It looks to me that the OP posted an email that her husband wrote to the herald, not something that one of her friends shared as you referred to in your post.
It seems a little too convenient that the people that are attacking this group so vehemently say in their opening line that they have suffered the same loss. It just doesn’t add up. You would think that they would be more empathetic but instead continue to demonize the OP and the group she was with.
Doesn’t it seem odd to anyone that goodvisit can say that they are most sorry for the young ladies loss and then go on to mock and belittle her? goodvisit called them bullies, princesses, spoiled brats, and terrorists all in one post. Isn’t it a little odd that goodvisit says that they “hope to not not experience another caddy bunch of young 90210, princesses, EXPLOITING, such grave personall losses, BULLY around the staff and MGMT of the ALKI CAFE”? Does this not appear to be collusion?
There is not even one mention of how the owner could have possibly been in the wrong in any of this.
I don’t doubt that you were there goodvisit, I would put my money on you being the one that the OP is about or someone very close to that person. To that end, you should probably rethink or have them rethink the way people are treated at the Alki Cafe.
April 22, 2008 at 4:59 am #622488
servergirlMemberOMG well said goodvisit I know I was thinking it but defenitely didnt have the balls to post it.
Using the death of a child should not be reason to get what you want. Is doing all this going to help ease the pain? It sounds to me that mentioning this tradegy is just a way for people to choice sides and if the tradegy was not mentioned this would have been just another complaint like all resturants have. Trying to put others in this situation (what if your child died) is impossible, no one person is the same.
apattalochi
Boycott Alki Cafe yes because that will defenitely help the grieving mother. If you dont want simpathy because you dont agree then dont post anothers tradegy to strangers with opinions to help in your personal vendetta. I think every one should have a stiffy (a large drink full of liquor with a splash of juice)
April 22, 2008 at 4:59 am #622489
JoBParticipantApril 22, 2008 at 5:06 am #622490
AnonymousInactiveLBG – You question my intelligence by stating that I came to a hasty conclusion based on “goodvisit’s” post; yet, you have come to the conclusion that “goodvisit” is the owner of Alki Cafe and that’s okay?
My use of the word “unbiased” meant not a member of the party in question. Another customer in the restaurant, if you will.
I apologize if it offends you that I truly believe there are two sides to every story, but I do. Although the loss that family experienced is horrific, it is not an experience that should be publicly shared (IMHO). The fact that it was is what I found odd about the the initial letter (not that they referred to this tragedy in the letter, but that they spoke about it at the restaurant).
Maybe my post was unclear, but I was not suggesting that a friend wrote that letter. I was questioning who told the owner of Alki about the recent tragedy this woman suffered, as was stated in the letter.
April 22, 2008 at 5:09 am #622491
AnonymousInactiveJoB – Are you accusing me of having an ax to grind? I’m confused. I believe I am being extremely impartial regarding this entire topic. Say what you think.
April 22, 2008 at 5:21 am #622492
JoBParticipantNew Resident..
i expect there are two sides to this story…
and i expect somewhere in this thread someone else who was in the cafe presented the other quite rationally…
That the owner found himself in a situation that wasn’t healthy for his morning business is evident.
that what someone hoped was a carefully thought out plan to comfort a grieving parent went terribly awry is also evident.
that feelings are running pretty high is also evident…
but a lot of the posts are pretty abusive… and that’s uncalled for.
i think things must have gotten pretty ugly in the cafe… and ultimately.. that’s the owner’s responsibility.
it’s amazing that tempers are flaring so much over this one…
that leads one to think someone is fanning them… let’s hope it is just the owner.. or someone associated with them… sure beats another troll.
April 22, 2008 at 5:21 am #622493
BonnieParticipantSigh..I have to agree that it is strange that while goodvisit did go on to say how sorry they were for the loss of the OP he/she had the gall to go on and belittle their loss. It doesn’t make sense.
Obviously I am not hiding behind a user name. My name IS BONNIE. Nothing else.
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April 22, 2008 at 5:24 am #622494
JoBParticipantnew resident..
i would never accuse you of having an ax to grind.. and i know you to be no dummy… so it must have been someone else i was referring to:)
you do throw a mean dart though.. and i would suggest everyone remember that before tangling with you ;->
i loved the pic that steve took of you and your guy at the dart boards… i am envious.
April 22, 2008 at 5:26 am #622495
LBGMemberNewResident..I said I would put money on it…which is a gamble. You can always lose in a gamble. I apologize for the intelligence comment, I was just questioning wether the evidence points to them having an unbiased opinion, IMHO, I think not.
The letter states that they talked to the owner about what was going on. This doesn’t mean that it was discussed where everyone in the restaurant could hear. WSJ even states that she was there but couldn’t hear what the women were saying. She states that she repeatedly heard what the owner was saying. This seems to be even more evidence that the group, not the owner was keeping things under control.
I don’t believe that JoB is referring to you but to goodvisit. His comment would seem to fall in line with the latter part of my last post.
April 22, 2008 at 5:27 am #622496
JoBParticipantand i am Jo B …
not JOB… as in the biblical reference..
or job.. as in a piece of work…
just a jo whose last name starts with b:)
nice to meet you bonnie.
April 22, 2008 at 5:29 am #622497
charlabobParticipantNR, I can’t imagine anyone thinking you have an axe to grind. I do, once again, have to object to the notion that there are ONLY two sides to any story. :-)
For example, the owner here was obviously being an ass. Perhaps his employees didn’t have “the right” to let a large party in. So what? They did. Was that the fault of the large party? The folks in the large party didn’t all get there at the same time — would be nice if they had. They were together for a sad, not a happy, event. SO some people, who loathe emotion of any kind, were uncomfortable. See? There are at least three sides. Some people who had to wait didn’t want to. They resented the large party. They would also have resented 7 small parties that didn’t move fast enough for them. Yet another side.
NR tries to be reasonable in an emotional thread. It’s a noble effort. It hardly ever works.
BTW, if some of the posters are, in fact, the owners, then I’m even more determined to stay the hell away from the place. That, my friends :-), is called cowardice. I was hoping, at some point, the owner would chime in. If he did, in cognito, he’s a contemptible ass.
April 22, 2008 at 5:29 am #622498
JoBParticipantgoodnight all…
let’s let trolls sleep under bridges tonight and remember that trading opinions doesn’t have to mean trading insults…
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