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[metrognome]

miws – nice to be back, I think. Would that I were back in WS.

an msnbc report last night mentioned that the Supreme Court has already issued a ruling on limiting federal funds in a situation like this; funds can only be limited for the ‘service’ the city is failing to provide. So, in this instance, if the huffers and puffers succeed in implementing a ban on federal money for failing to arrest undocumented immigrants, the ban would apply to money for SPD, possibly for some human services, etc. Absent a new decision from SCOTUS, they couldn’t bar money for the overpass, for example.

the cite wasn’t provided, so I couldn’t find the opinion, but no doubt it will surface as the conversation continues. Stay tuned.

[JoB]

JKB..

I didn’t source the numbers.. but nitpicking them doesn’t change their impact..

we could list the population of every state and compare but the fact remains that less populated states have far more electoral votes per person than those that are more populated… what kind of “compromise” favors the interests of the few over those of the many by even 100% let alone 300%?

What you are saying in effect is that those states with larger populations.. that produce substantially more tax income.. should have less say in choosing our President.

kind of like what happens in the Washington legislature. Seattle produces the tax income that our legislature disproportionately redistributes to the rest of the state while refusing to fund the kind of transportation infrastructure that Seattle needs.

what’s up with that?

There is no question that equal representation is missing.. but it doesn’t look to me like that has been replaced by equitable representation either.

Can you explain to me why that should be true?

[JoB]

AK14

“if abortion is in fact killing an innocent child, then privacy doesn’t matter. ”

i don’t know what part of a fetus is the possibility of a child and not a child you can’t understand… but apparently it’s something you choose not to understand.

if a fetus was the promise of a child 20% of pregnancies would not end in spontaneous miscarriage before the 22 week.. and that statistic includes only those miscarriages for which women seek medical attention. Most experts believe the actual number is far larger since a woman may not even notice the difference between a skipped period or two followed by an unusually heavy period and an actual miscarriage .. and many may choose for a multitude of reasons not to seek medical care or to report a miscarriage even though they are aware it is happening.

Now you would think based on what you believe that a woman would be horrified by what she finds in her discharge when she spontaneously aborts but having stood over that particular discharge myself i can tell you that even though i knew the promise of pregnancy had once again ended.. i did not find a child.

calling the possibility of a child a child may make the semantics of your argument work..
but it doesn’t reflect reality.

[redblack]

AK14: i’m sorry you feel the need to check out, and with a cheap shot. so, in that spirit, i’ll just say thanks for the conversation and i’ll let you go back to apologizing for a megalomaniacal creep of a president-elect.

“I called Redblack immature and unfortunate, not because of his/her beliefs, but because this person brought my wife into the conversation which was inappropriate.”

we have a bingo! now, apply that to all the women who aren’t your wife.

“It’s something they can type from behind the safety of their computer but never would’ve said to my face.”

i certainly would say that to your face, although i write more eloquently than i speak. i honestly believe that what transpires between a woman and her doctor is not your business, just as it’s not my business – or premera’s, the catholic church’s, or the governments’ – and i’m not ashamed of that belief.

and it just so happens that the right to privacy is the very crux of roe v wade that keeps abortion legal. hopefully it continues to stand as law, and that the procedure can be performed safely in a qualified medical facility.

by the way, i was born with an XY chromosome pair. you can safely call me he/him.

[Seattle Scofflaws]

Ever noticed how dysfunctional the Alaska Junction is? Aside from off leash dogs and feces on the sidewalk, homeless people drinking alcohol in public, there are other violations every few minutes all day long. People turn left from California to Alaska despite the signs north and south which say no left turn 7 am – 7pm. People turn right on red even though each street light has a sign right next to it saying no right turn on red. People walk when it says do not walk.

The video I am attaching includes what I saw within 5 minutes around 11 AM on a weekday. First, you will see a black SUV turning right on red by Easy Street, a black Kia turning left where it is prohibited. The Kia eventually has to make their turn on a red, cutting off the white truck that now has a green arrow and the right of way. Finally a guy walking against the light. Seriously folks I saw all of this (and more that I didn’t record) in less than 5 minutes.

This area is so quick and easy to catch people behaving badly that I will likely post more videos soon. I have asked law enforcement and DOT several times over the years to enforce or improve this intersection. Haven’t seen any police presence or any changes from DOT. So, it’s time to throw some light on this problem. Take a look next time you are there and I bet you will see some violations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPrGqtyw0Bk

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[AK14]

JanS: I believe murder is wrong, lying is wrong, and stealing is wrong. Those are moral claims. I simply believe abortion is wrong as well because it takes the life of an innocent child. We have all done immoral things in our lives, I’m not judging anyone. I called Redblack immature and unfortunate, not because of his/her beliefs, but because this person brought my wife into the conversation which was inappropriate. It’s something they can type from behind the safety of their computer but never would’ve said to my face. Their beliefs had nothing to do with it. You’re right, I can’t force anyone to believe what I believe. I’m fine with that. I was asked a question earlier and was simply stating why I believe the way I do. You are also correct in saying that what a woman does is ULTIMATELY between her and her God.

RedBlack and JoB: Like I stated earlier, if abortion is in fact killing an innocent child, then privacy doesn’t matter. Imagine that a woman has a two-year-old in front of her. May she kill him or her as long as the killing is done in the privacy of the bedroom? Of course not. Why not? Because the child is a human being. If the unborn are also human, they should not be killed in the name of privacy any more than we’d kill a toddler for that same reason. Of course you will respond that killing a toddler and killing a fetus are two different things, like comparing apples with oranges. But that’s the issue isn’t it? Are the unborn human beings, like toddlers? That’s the one issue that matters. We can’t escape it. JoB responded by saying viability outside of the womb is what makes determines humanity. I responded by showing that viability/dependency is not determined at a specific time period and depends on things like access to doctors and medical technology. Many people are dependent on machines, doctors and medicine outside of the womb, can we kill them too? So when is it okay to kill a child in the womb? 1 week, 2 weeks, 2 months, 8.5 months? You see the issue is not about forcing morality; it’s not about privacy; it’s not about economic hardship; it’s not about physical disabilities; it’s not about unwantedness. The issue is reduced to one question: What is the unborn?

JoB and Melissa: JoB responded to the statistics and studies that I (and Melissa) provided with no studies or stats of her own to prove her point but only to say that they were cherry picked with no proof that this occurred. This is a very ineffective, amateurish way to prove a point or display your reasoning. Melissa, did you not read the AAUW link from the Huffington post? That’s exactly what it said! Simply saying the study does not show that “it’s about choices, not discrimination” again provides no evidence to back up your position. The problem with having these types of conversations is the lack of evidence people use to back up their position(s) because they care more about feelings than facts. When people use evidence it is much easier to listen and attempt to understand differing points of view, which I have no problem with.

What it comes down to is your moral relativism. By subscribing to this viewpoint, it is impossible to say that anything is wrong, including my supposed “intolerance.”

I am finished. Thank you for the delightful conversation. You may now go back to your whining, I mean “protests”.

[JTB]

Regarding the electoral college, I trust everyone realizes it was designed as a hedge against runaway democracy, or as Hamilton explained more diplomatically. “A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated [tasks].” It was conceived of as a deliberative process among electors selected by district and not the winner-take-all, automatic method it has evolved into.
It seems to me it has become a bastardized system incorporating some aspects of popular democratic vote but retaining anti-democratic allocations that have their origin and purpose to afford more weight to the southern slave-holding states than otherwise allowed by population alone.
The charge that the current system ensures small, rural states aren’t overshadowed by larger, more populated states seems to ignore the reality that the converse is actually true in which the citizens of smaller states receive a higher weight in the final process. I suppose it’s entirely coincidental that this state of affairs still echoes the north-south, abolitionist-slave state divide from our early days. It seems that bending over backward to accommodate reactionary elements has been part of the American spirit from our early days. Now that the reactionary elements have secured control over all branches of government by virtue of a long, deliberate campaign on multiple fronts, it seems unlikely we can expect any effort to weaken that control to gain much headway.

[sowencheung]

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[JoB]

JTB.. thank you.. i have no intention of ever becoming what Captain Dave would consider a ‘nice” girl.. for starters .. i am way too old for that.. but to be honest.. while i have often been subversive I have never been silent.

and you are right. this “conversation” is not useful..

but without rebuttal it becomes the story of people who stand in a crowded room and let some “_____” (this is a fill in the blank moment.. where you fill in deranged person or drunk or creep or however it is that you designate “those” people as other ) make sexist racist homophobic comments without saying anything.. even when those comments are directed at an individual.

and yes. captain Dave often crosses that line.

as a young woman i stood on my porch as a policeman escorted my cousin to his police car to deliver her back to the husband who had hospitalized her. The neighbors watched silently.. as did we.. there was nothing we could do.

it took another 4 or 5 years before the law moved on.. and abusive husbands could no longer summon their wives with the assistance of the local police department. Decades later the local police were still using what they referred to as the 3 stitch rule when it came to domestic violence.. if the damage inflicted wouldn’t require 3 stitches to repair then it didn’t warrant arrest.

do they still use that “rule”? I don’t know. It’s been a long time since i was in an abusive relationship but i can tell you that 30 years ago if a woman tried to resist her attacker and was foolish enough to call the police afterwards that she went to jail along with her abuser and he was treated better during arrest and incarceration than she was…

sadly i know this not only from the tales told but from experience. i called the police .. was arrested wearing night clothes.. was handcuffed and stuck in the back of a police car with nothing more than what i was wearing and carted off to jail while my abuser was allowed to dress and grab his wallet. i found my abuser waiting to take me home when i was finally released from jail.. in the middle of the night.. in spite of having placed calls to family members who should have been there for me but didn’t want to get involved in a domestic matter.

No.. i don’t think people like Captain Dave are listening when i speak.

But i hope people are reminded that even when it comes to the privileged class of whites… the fight for actual equality is about a whole lot more than pay equity or abortion rights… it’s about personal safety.

We all need to speak up

[JanS]

JKB…you did , and do realize that gerrymandering is not about changing the lines of the states…right? Tell me you knew that…because from what you said above, you don’t actually know what it is…is that true? Should we be dumbfounded?

[naturesbliss]

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[AK14]

JoB, which studies show this? You don’t cite sources so I can’t just go on what you say. Even the AAUW (a feminist organization) survey that Melissa provided shows that it is about choices not discrimination. Here’s the link again: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

[JoB]

AK14..

things have not significantly improved.. as evidenced by the disparity in earnings of college educated women in their 30s and 40s who do not earn the same income for the same work as their male counterparts and do not have the same opportunity for advancement in their careers as their male counterparts.

the only wage group in which there is “improvement” is in starting wages… and unfortunately if you look at the actual numbers you will find that instead of women’s starting wages rising to meet what was once the industry standard for males.. men’s starting wages have fallen.

That’s not improvement.. not for either gender… which might be why the one group of males whose votes were for Hillary and not Trump were males under 40.

[AK14]

The disrespect came from your sarcasm, not from your attempt at refuting what I said.
Like I said regarding the abortion issue, it comes down to the one issue I mentioned, not whether a woman should have to take on the responsibility. If it is in fact a defenseless child than a human life takes precedence over the responsibilities that result.
I’m sorry to hear that you were personally discriminated against and you bring up a very good point about how woman who were discriminated against in the past are feeling the effects today. That is certainly unfortunate. I’m glad that things have significantly improved.

[JoB]

AK14
wow.. so it’s not disrespectful of you to call label wage disparity a myth.
but disrespectful of me to point out that what you call a myth is a reality for women?
or to ask if your reverence for life extends to those who are not currently residing in a woman’s uterus and therefore her responsibility?
because whether or not to undertake that lifetime responsibility should be the sole decision of the person who will assume that responsibility… and no matter how good the birth control is that you are using.. it is not infallible nor does it account for unwanted sexual advances that produce pregnancy.

add to that .. a woman’s ability to earn is directly dependant upon responsibilities she may have towards dependant children.. therefore forcing her to give birth to a child she will be legally, morally and financially responsible for directly impacts her ability to earn an income.

it would be far different if woman could choose between apples and oranges..
but that isn’t the case .. is it?

“Again, that 75% of social security is based on past choices that men and women have made in their careers, that’s not discrimination”

I am assuming you simply have not read your history.

Had you done so you would know that career choices for women were severely limited for those women who are now entering retirement.

i know.. because i was one of those women.. who incidentally had to get written permission from the man i was divorcing to get a job… at a department store… could i repeat that for you? I had to have written permission from the man “responsible” for me to get a job.. even if that man was no longer willing to be financially responsible for either his children or me.

that is discrimination…

you can claim it no longer exists and i will agree with you that the days of requiring written permission to work are thankfully long gone.. but not so long as to have affected the lifetime earnings of women who are reaching retirement age now.

it’s only “choices” when you actually have the same choices as your male counterpart.

and wage discrimination is still a fact… pulling statistics limited to women and men beginning their careers in the workforce and implying that they demonstrate equality totally ignores the unequal wages of women who have chosen to forgo families for the sake of lifelong careers…
it turns out that as a group they do no better financially than their counterparts who chose to juggle both careers and families.

it is a fallacy that you can pull one “fact” that you think disproves a hypothesis and negate the entire body of evidence based on that “fact”…

sorry. but this is a subject i happen to know a great deal about having seen it develop from the ground up. so to speak.

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[AK14]

Yes, my “general” belief is in a limited role of the government as was intended by our Founding Fathers.

Honestly, I don’t have a strong opinion on the child tax credit. I haven’t done research on it as I do not have children. I’m guessing my sister with 7 children appreciates it! Maybe my views will change concerning this matter, maybe they won’t.

I’m not libertarian. I would consider myself a Constitutional Conservative.

The issue on abortion comes down to 1 single issue. Is it a human being in the womb? If it is, abortion is wrong because it is killing a child and this trumps any right to privacy. If it is just a lump of tissue, then you can believe whatever you want. Based on my research, I have come to the conclusion that the science of embryology definitively shows that it is a child in the womb. A lot of people haven’t done any research to understand this.

Sexual behavior between consenting adults – do whatever you want.

[redblack]

AK14 said:

“I don’t believe the government should bail people people out and get involved because of a person’s choices.”

cool. let’s eliminate the child tax credit.

also, if you’re of a libertarian bent, then what business is it of yours (or a church’s, or the state’s) if a woman has an abortion?

abortion’s legality is based on a fundamental right to privacy.

same goes for sexual behavior between consenting adults.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by redblack.
• This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by redblack.

[AK14]

Wow, disrespect towards me from both responders.
“It ain’t a myth.” Well said. Bottomline, it’s about choices that people make, just like you said about women leaving the workforce to raise children. Your cited study says education doesn’t matter but it doesn’t take into account that Men and women pursue different types of education and different careers. Some careers pay more than others. Women are more likely choose careers that allow for time off to raise children – such as in education. This doesn’t mean women are being held down. Again, childcare is the choice of having children and of course it disrupts a career. That means women are working less. Meaning they are getting paid less overall because of fewer hours worked. That’s not discrimination, that’s based on choices – even if they are difficult ones. Not once did I tell you what you should be doing. There was a time when women really did face discrimination and there were brave women who fought against that throughout history. I am thankful for them.

“Glad to hear you are pro-life.” Seems a little sarcastic which isn’t the best way to have a conversation. Again, that 75% of social security is based on past choices that men and women have made in their careers, that’s not discrimination. I don’t believe the government should bail people people out and get involved because of a person’s choices. For those that are in unfortunate circumstances through no fault of their own, I believe that this is where private, non-profits come into play. Pro childcare and pro children’s health care, what does that even mean? Of course I believe children should be cared for and should be able to get health care. No, I do not believe free childcare is the responsibility of the government.

Look, I get it, we have different beliefs and different philosophies. I also understand that since moving to Seattle I probably doubled the number of conservatives in this city. I just hoped I could engage in civil discourse but after reading the way people respond to each other behind the safety of their computer screens I realize that is not possible. I wish you both the best.

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[TanDL]

Sorry Mike.. I just can’t support any withdrawal from blog postings that you might be contemplating for very selfish reasons, I’m sure because I believe that your posts are the balance we need when threads go nuts: whether snark, or humor or serious goodness, there are more people than you might think who read your postings and appreciate their balance, even if they don’t respond to you. So please don’t go away or let the (insert any word you like here) get you down. :)

A recent article caught my eye. I posted its link on a different forum topic but its relevance to these political threads keeps running through my mind. It was written by a man who talks about how his grandfather dealt with stressful political winds that swept through Austria in the 1930s. Here’s a cut taken from that article, with a beginning tag line by the author that states, “Historical analogies are always flawed, but some moral principles shine eternal”

“Refuse to accept what’s going on as the new normal. Not now, not ever. In the months and years to come, decisions will be made that may strike you as perfectly sound, appointments announced that are inspired, and policies enacted you may even like. Friends and pundits will reach out to you and, invoking nuance, urge you to admit that there’s really nothing to fear, that things are more complex, that nothing is ever black or white. It’s a perfectly sound argument, of course, but it’s also dead wrong: This isn’t about policy or appointments or even about outcomes. This isn’t a political contest—it’s a moral crisis. When an inexperienced, thin-skinned demagogue rides into office by explaining away immensely complex problems while arguing that our national glory demands we strip millions of their dignity or their rights, our only duty is to resist by whatever means permitted us by law. The demagogue may boost the economy, sign beneficial treaties, and mend our ailing institutions, but his success can never be ours. Our greatness, to use a tired but true phrase, depends on our goodness, and to succeed, we must demand that our commander in chief come as close as is possible to reflecting the light of that goodness. There’s no point indulging in the kind of needlessly complex thinking that so often plagues the intelligent and the well-informed. There’s no room for reading tea leaves, for calculations or projections or clever takes. The only thing that matters now is the simple moral truth: This isn’t right. As long as we never forget that, we can never lose”
By Liel Leibovitz

Soldier on Mike. You make a difference and your goodness is obvious!

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[AK14]

Okay thanks. First off I’m pro-life and believe it’s wrong to kill a child in the womb so we may as well just not go down that road and agree to disagree.
As for the equal pay for equal work and gender pay gap you refer to, I’m surprised people still believe in this myth. Numerous studies “show that women and men who work the very same hours in the very same jobs at the very same levels of skill and experience do not have the pay gaps.” http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438775/pay-gap-studies-disprove-myth-sexism-responsible
People like Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, among others, have studied this extensively and demonstrate that the so called gender-wage pay gap is based off Apples to Oranges comparisons. Also in the aforementioned article: “Women as a group do get paid less than men as a group. But not for doing the same work. Women average fewer annual hours of work than men. They work continuously for fewer years than men, since only women get pregnant, and most women are not prepared to instantly dump the baby on somebody else to raise.” For further analysis, Read the book: Women’s Figures – written by Diana Furchtgott-Roth (a woman): “The myth that women make 78 cents on a man’s dollar is a standard refrain in popular media and serves as a rationale for affirmative action for women. Unstated is that for women and men with the same job and work experience, the wage gap practically disappears. In Women’s Figures, Manhattan Senior Fellow Diana Furchtgott-Roth shatters the myth of the wage gap. Women are continuing to gain ground relative to men, and in some cases, they have even reversed the gender gap. Rather than helping women, preferential policies undermine America’s idea of meritocracy, and call into question the value of women’s hard-earned achievements.”
“As far back as 1971, single women in their thirties who had worked continuously since high school earned slightly more than men of the same description. As far back as 1969, academic women who had never married earned more than academic men who had never married.”
-From the Thomas Sowell article referred to previously
My wife is a great example of this and so is my oldest sister who are extremely successful in their respective fields and married much later than most women. They make much more money than my other sister who chose to have 7 kids instead of focusing on her career – which I respect just as much. I’m glad they never took the time to complain about women’s rights and just worked hard to be successful whether it be in the corporate world or as a stay at home mother.
Like the saying says: You are entitled to your own opinions but you aren’t entitled to your own facts.

[miws]

I know, JTB. As you can tell, I usually don’t get into these political discussions, except maybe to make a data point, and in some of those cases a link citing it, but then I get chewed out for linking to Snopes. Other times I post, it may be just to make a mildly snarky comment.

Last night, though, I had just finally had it. Granted, I was tired, and right after making the post I logged off and went to bed. The fact that I was tired being said, I stand by my comment.

I really have to refrain from the desire to comment on the political threads, whether to “argue”, or snark. I got into that four years ago, during the last presidential election season, and particularly with one poster, no longer posting here, that seemed to believe about the same as, and have the same overall attitude as the Captain.

Civil, logical arguments were pointless. snapping back at the person may have been momentarily satisfying, but then I’d feel bad. So, I pretty much resorted to only snarking, sometimes rather heavily. as others had resorted to doing after their own attempts at civil and logical arguments, many of their’s, frankly, put much more eloquently than mine.

Thing is, I as at least a couple other folks here had met this person in person several times. Sure, the person was gruff but had displayed some generosity that I and several others benefitted from. Similarly, a couple of my friends that have met the Captain in person and partaking on at least one of his cruises have said he’s a good guy/nice guy. They’ve told him that, here, on the Forums.

At some point four years ago, I’d finally had enough of posting angry and snarky comments. It’s not who I truly am in my heart. So, for my own mental health, I stopped. With my chronic physical health issues, I don’t need to add mental stress to the equation.

I try to treat people the way I like to be treated. Hell, sometimes I probably treat them better than they have treated me after they have displayed some nastiness toward me. But, everybody has their breaking point. And I had hit mine last night.

Mike

[metrognome]

skeeter – the short answer to your question is that the La Donald’s bluster is exactly that . . . for now and probably mostly forever. Even if the Congress that has been impotent for the past 8 years takes a healthy dose of ED medication, they can’t remove all federal funding from cities that have declared themselves to be sanctuaries. Most federal money is pass-through in that it goes to the state for distribution rather than being given directly to cities. And, yes, this threat could include the federal portion of highway construction projects managed by the city; most big-ticket projects, however, are managed by the state or county. It is unclear whether the bluster would theoretically apply to them, or to Sound Transit, for example.

And then there are the courts; WA is in the federal 9th Circuit, which is notoriously prickly about this kind of heavy-handed action.

Also, the conservative media has dropped the ball on explaining this issue. The plans La Donald has enumerated to date pretty much match Obama’s in that the deportation focus is on people who are criminals, which the mayors have agreed to. What they have said they will not do is act as a federal police force to round up undocumented immigrants who are otherwise law-abiding (this is similar to other federal laws; for example, SPD generally doesn’t arrest tax cheats or SEC rule violators or people who use the postal service to commit fraud.) I would suggest watching Rachel Maddow’s show on MSNBC for accurate reportage.

The Trumpettes are trying to throw their weight around; they may actually succeed in changing immigration laws and how they are enforced to some extent, but their majority in the Senate is thin, Hilary actually won the popular vote and there is an election in 2018 that could change the balance of power in Congress. If Trump U is found to have committed fraud . . .

cap’n Dave – as usual, thanks for the laughs. I truly enjoyed your bashing Mayor Murray for lining the pockets of greedy real estate developers when you are an ardent supporter of one of the greediest developers in US history. Isn’t it enough that you are paying his federal taxes for him?

[JTB]

Why do you all pretend it’s possible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who considers a bias against white males to constitute “racism?” He doesn’t know what he is talking about beyond reciting the same old screeds about the socialist Seattle city government and liberals generally. He is taking you for a ride.

[JoB]

Captain dave
i have nothing against white males
some of my best friends are white men ;-)

what i have a problem with is the priority given to white males at the expense of everyone else

that word equality… that’s what it means.. nobody gets a place in line ahead of anyone else simply because of their gender, color, religious affiliation, property ownership or ethnic background.

i am not naive.. i know that those with resources will always have more advantages than the rest.. but when you and i have the same resources i honestly believe that i should have the same opportunities as you.. and that’s clearly not the case.

funny.. one statistic nobody seems to contest in this election is that the only group of males that voted for Hillary were those under 40.. those most impacted by the polices that drove the last economic collapse and piled a mountain of debt on our young people.

when they asked “what’s in it for me” they clearly got that making America great was little more than an empty slogan designed to fool the white American male into thinking that their world could be reconstructed with the promise it held when they were younger.

Those young guys never had that promise… so it was far easier for them to contemplate the world as it is.. not as it might have been.

The trouble is that those who prioritized what was in it for them over the common good only succeeded in lowering their own standard of living.

Women’s and minorities wages didn’t raise.. white male wages fell to tighten the gap :(

Expecting the people who benefited from outsourcing all of those jobs and from closing that wage gap in the manner most harmful to America’s middle class to change that is foolish..

but they covered it in all kinds of pretty rhetoric and you bought it.

all you have to do is take a good look at history to realize that you won’t feel smug long..