Guam, Italy, Philippines….
I am wondering, charla, where you are basing your belief that the way the update is written has absolutely “NOTHING” to do with keeping us safe from terrorism? Could you direct me to where I would find that?
Also, Feydras is correct that Mormons DO consider themselves Christians. Although I am not Mormon either, I was married to one.
And I just want to say, again, in my candidate’s defence, that obtaining occupancy in Iraq is not the same as carrying on the war. The US maintains occupancy in Korea and we are not currently at “war” with them. Same with Germany, same with Japan….
feydras is right. It is pretty much everyone else that does not, including all fundamentalist.
If you find the biblical tales of prehistory hard to swallow, the LDS myths read like a how to book on profiting from the gullibility of mankind.
And Scientology is the pinnical of obvious hucksterism masquerading as religion.
The bill is a result of close collaboration between my administration and members of both parties on Capitol Hill. … I want to thank members who worked hard for the GI Bill expansion, especially Senators Webb and Warner, Graham, Burr, McCain. This bill shows that even in an election year, Democrats and Republicans can come together to stand behind our troops
Bush the contortionist taking credit for what he and McCain and Graham fought bitterly against.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/bush-mccain-credit-gi/
Charlabob – minor point to quibble…
I’m not LDS but i’m pretty sure that Mormons consider themselves Christian.
You’re right, Ken — we just have to multitask — make sure Obama gets elected and, simultaneously, generate the progressive parade that he can get in front of on November 5.
EYE on the prize. Or more importantly the alternative to the prize.
The supreme court.
One more right wing president and we can kiss any progress goodbye for two generations if not more.
I am old enough to take whatever comes but I will not condemn my children and grandchildren to the resulting imperial corporatocracy the conservatives have been reaching for since the FDR administration, without a fight.
Obama has a much better chance of getting in front of, and marching with, a progressive parade if one comes along.
McCain would just turn loose the dogs and the fire-hoses if not the national guard.
charlabob..
good for you!
I will have to ask hubby which organization.. but i am not sue that was it. their spokesperson.. and i thought their head is the actress who played Dharma’s mom on Dharma and Greg..
i have to ask anyway as we are sending them money:)
ok.. the brain is worn down today.. i am not sleeping well:( I think i need to go soak my head:)
In retrospect to yung whore, I went and karaokeed their one night and got sick the next day and suspected that those mics they used are nasty because I did hint a bad smell and most likely hasn’t been sanitized or cleaned in ages. I am sure they are ladened with Ecoli since those mics are communally used every night, and everyone’s hands and spittal goes directly to where your lips sing too. Karaokeeing is an easy way to get sick fast because of those reasons.
I have several fruit trees in my yard but I don’t know how much they will produce because they were not pruned in the spring. Is it too late to cut them back? I’ve contact the community harvest to try to participate in their drive.
So far, I have small fruits that appear to be apples, cherries and asian pears. I may also have a surplus of garden tomatoes when they become ripe.
Olbermann actually flipflopped on his advice to Obama — last week he was *kind of* defending the move to the center, including FISA. He got a huge amount of crap for it (including from the charla and the bob and, probably more interesting to him, from Rachel Maddow.) In this case, I approve of the flip.
I am going to have a bumper crop of apples this year. We have four varieties on one tree. In the past I have used the free listings on Craigslist with great success; and gave away boxes and bags of apples in August and September to West Seattle neighbors for the last two years.
Trick…
it’s consistent.. why would Bush bother with the truth when he can invent anything he wants?
If nothing else we have to elect a democrat so that kind of self promotion doesn’t end up in our history books…
and thanks for alerting me to Oberman. that restored some faith for me…
We’ve been rolling over too long.
Thanks Beachdrivegirl for coming out of the closet on this one. It gave me courage to post again! I always have my dog’s leash with me; and her response to my requests are impeccable (even when a chase-able kitty is sunning herself on the sidewalk!) I am never out of the house with out poop bags and discourage her from peeing in the same spot on walks so as to prevent yellow spotting someone’s parking strip.
I’m graduated to putting his feet IN the fire :-) But I will wait.
JoB, I think the organization of which you speak is DFA (Democracy for America — formerly Dean for America). It’s now run by Howard Dean’s brother, Jim Dean.
Given the email I’ve been getting, I suspect the hijacking has begun. I’m actually more concerned that MoveOn gave up it’s 527 — in deference to Obama. I haven’t had time to figureo ut what that means but I’m, as always, wary.
The FISA update, as written, has nothing at all to do with being safe from terrorism. NOTHING! My concern is that Obama has given up any notion of educating people — he’s becoming a leader who follows.
This very subject makes me snicker every time I get that postcard. I will say that my boyfriend and I love the bar for people-watching, karaoke-listening, and cheap booze (usually open until actually 2am), but not for eating. One time we stumbled into a birthday party in the bar – where they had brought in their own food. Not a good sign :)
Cruiser, I thought it was about ice cream too! Note to Full Tilt: grassroots marketing/branding is on track with your customer base! KatherineL, I think that just means that the camera, remotely adjusted by DOT, was turned too far one direction. I noticed yesterday we had a lovely shot of blue sky for quite a while. Seems to be back on track now.
I won’t even comment or jack this thread on Bush’s press conference on the GI Bill passing saying the Administration and McCain we’re all integral in it’s passing.
Keith Olbermann did an interesting essay last night directly telling Obama not to pander to the FISA legislation.
His point was that either way he votes, the other camp will either cry that he “flip flops” by voting for it, or if he doesn’t vote for it, he’s not tough on terror. Mr Olbermann basically said pick your fights and “give them something to cry about.”
Obama does need to remember why he is where he is today, and it wasn’t from compromising, it was being different than the “politics as usual” and I think there are plenty folks who feel the same.
I really want to thank Patrick and TR for making it possible for everyone to step back and think about what kind of community they are creating. me too.
It is too easy to let the heat of the moment take over… maybe we have become too much like a family.. squabbling among ourselves:)
that’s not so bad as long as we don’t hold grudges and hug one another at the end of the day ;->
yes… even those who irritate us the most.
especilly those who irritate us the most.
i really do hope to see some new faces on saturday… i think we will have fun.
feydras…
i too have often chuckled over Godwin’s law…
but that doesn’t change the use of the “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear” slogan as a rationalization for oppression by most fascist regimes.
After reading Ken, i have to agree that a broader scope is applicable here.. and it is the rationalization used by extreme nationalists… the Nazis included.
I can’t tell you how much it pains me to say this…
but there is no last shoe here. The real Obama is now standing up and it doesn’t matter who he is.. he is our candidate.
No Kayeligh, i don’t think he gets it. What he gets is how to win.. and he plays to win.
But… we have to consider the alternatives and remember that it is our congress that makes laws.
And remember that at least this man understands constitutional law and thinks it should stand for something.
there is a progressive arm of the democratic party that Obama wants to take over to help get elected this fall. They have an incredible grass roots structure.
i wish my brain would allow me to tell you their name.. but we need to let this organization know that they need to keep their fingers on their own organizational structure and help Obama win without handing it over..
because we need them to help elect progressive democrats who actually will stand up for progressive values.
I am funneling all of my campaign contributions through them.
He may not be who you thought you were getting, but he is who we got…
There are no other alternatives now.
let’s get him elected.
Then, as Charla would so charmingly put it.. let’s put his feet to the fire.
Back when I thought camping was a good idea, we always liked Orcas Island in the San Juans. Multiple choices of public campgrounds and it doesn’t get more beautiful.
http://www.sanjuanislandsdirectory.com/orcas/campgrounds,camping,rv%20parks.htm
‘zackly, Charla. I would really like to see Obama stand up for and stand by progressive ideals (protect the earth, help the poor, protect the constitution, etc.) These are GOOD ideals. They are ideals to which we can all point with pride.
They worth more than to be discarded in favor of compromise, pandering, etc.
Call me naive but I didn’t see this coming, not to this degree, anyway.
