VIDEO: West Seattle briefing by group that wants to pause ST3 projects – including this one – not yet under construction

Even if you voted for West Seattle light rail – and the rest of ST3 – eight years ago, it’s OK to change your mind. So said John Niles, co-founder of Smarter Transit, which had a media briefing at Jefferson Square today to call attention to its quest to put the brakes on ST3. The group has launched an online petition seeking to pause planning for Sound Transit projects that aren’t already under construction, and to ask the Legislature to make Sound Transit’s board – currently comprised of various regional elected officials – directly elected. But Niles says they’re not planning a ballot initiative or lawsuit – they’re hoping that people will “rise up” and demand that this be stopped. He was one of the speakers at the briefing this morning – here’s our video, which started with Smarter Transit member Conrad Cipoletti, a West Seattle resident who says he lives car-free but thinks people need to take a second look at the light-rail plan before it’s too late, because of its financial and environmental costs:

Speakers also included people who aren’t Smarter Transit members but did voice various concerns about the project, including business owners whose current locations face demolition if the current proposed routing and station locations are finalized – the group provided aerials of what’s currently in the future stations’ locations:

(Images courtesy Smarter Transit/Guenther Group. Above, Junction station’s proposed location)

(Above, area near Avalon station’s proposed location)

(Delridge station’s proposed location)

Though she has reiterated that her business is not anti-light rail, Laurel Trujillo of Ounces in North Delridge was among the speakers (hers and other area businesses are hosting in a coincidentally timed “Rally for Relocation” 4-7 pm today). Other participants included West Seattle resident Kim Schwarzkopf and Marilyn Kennell of Rethink The Link, a group which thinks – as does Smarter Transit – that more buses would cover area’s transit needs without a multibillion-dollar construction project. Kennell and others held signs declaring themselves BIMBYs – advocating for more “buses in my backyard.”

The Smarter Transit petition is here; the group says the goal is to present it to the Legislature. Meantime, as for the project itself, Sound Transit is expected sometime in the next few months to release the final Environmental Impact Statement, after which its board would vote on final routing and station locations.

79 Replies to "VIDEO: West Seattle briefing by group that wants to pause ST3 projects - including this one - not yet under construction"

  • Person July 11, 2024 (4:02 pm)

    Good grief my fellow Seattelites.I really do sympathize with the businesses that will be displaced, but for the love of god, bulldoze it all and build light rail already.

    • West Marge July 11, 2024 (5:01 pm)

      Bulldoze homes and businesses to get the elite to SODO? Obliterate the heron rookery and damage the lungs of the people that have to live near the concrete bloom for the ten years while your Jetsons tram is built? You just may need to deal with the idea of three spectors visiting you Mr. Scrooge. 

      • heartless July 11, 2024 (7:44 pm)

        Yes, yes, mass transit is an ecological horror.  I feel like you all were trying harder when you were lying about wanting a gondola.

    • Erik July 11, 2024 (5:56 pm)

      Right? It’s called Eminent Domain… it happens sometimes…it sucks…that’s life. I just want them to stop fooling around wasting our time and tax dollars and just decide already.

      • Scarlett July 11, 2024 (7:23 pm)

        Ah, how magnanimous of you Erik.  

      • Alki resident July 11, 2024 (7:44 pm)

        You want them to stop fooling around and stop wasting tax dollars? Apparently you weren’t living in West Seattle when they took the first set of businesses out to build the train, which are now apartment buildings and Habit Burger. If it was your home or business being bulldozed, you’d be singing a different tune.

        • Lagartija Nick July 12, 2024 (8:31 am)

          The Bridge was acquired by a private developer to build the apartment building and Habit Burger is in the same building KFC was. Both of these things happened long before any routing decisions were made. Your statement here is a bald faced LIE. If you have to lie to make a point, you have no point to make.

          • nothend July 12, 2024 (11:33 am)

            I believe those properties were taken thru eminent domain, not for “the train” but for the failed green line (1997 initiative 47 ) monorail to Ballard. 

          • Lagartija Nick July 12, 2024 (12:54 pm)

            “Taken” by whom? Even if the monorail used eminent domain to acquire those properties they weren’t demolished for it. The Bridge property was eventually sold to a private developer (the apartments) and the old KFC building is still there as Habit Burger. So, any way you slice it Alki Resident is lying.

          • Nothend July 12, 2024 (2:26 pm)

            Owners forced to sell to the Seattle Monorail Authority = taken 

          • Lagartija Nick July 12, 2024 (6:59 pm)

            The monorail authority didn’t sell the property to a developer, the owner of the property did. So if it was “taken” it was given/sold back. And frankly, none of this matters as to Alki Resident making a blatantly false statement.

          • bill July 12, 2024 (9:13 pm)

            The monorail authority was required to sell properties to the highest bidder, not “give them back.” So from the perspective of many or most of the prior business and property owners, their businesses and property were taken. 

          • Lagartija Nick July 13, 2024 (9:18 am)

            The monorail project collapsed in 2005. The bar The Bridge was in operation until 2013 when THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING sold it to the developer of the apartments. So, either the monorail never acquired the building or they gave/sold it back because there is absolutely no way they held on to that property for 8 years (it would have been illegal for them to do so). 

          • nothend July 13, 2024 (3:23 pm)

            It wasn’t the Bridge during the monorail fiasco, it was Redline back then. The Bridge didn’t occupy that space until 2009 or so.    

          • nothend July 15, 2024 (7:13 am)

            … or maybe it was Legends and then Redline. 

    • tonenotvolume July 12, 2024 (7:25 pm)

      Absolutely agree

  • Alki Parent July 11, 2024 (4:10 pm)

    Stopped watching the video after it began with scare tactics about future costs of a not-yet-voter-approved transportation levy that is at best tangentially related to this and attempts to make investments in public transportation appear bad for the environment. Not going to win any support from me with such bad faith arguments.

    • Must be nice July 11, 2024 (10:22 pm)

      You sound financially unconcerned. Similar opinions come from people who don’t contribute their fair financial burden :/

      • Alki Parent July 12, 2024 (8:54 pm)

        Nice straw man you got there. Again, conflating issues of upcoming tax levies with past votes is not a winning argument. 

  • Pants July 11, 2024 (4:13 pm)

    Don’t get me wrong, I do not want to see some of these businesses struggle or go away. But we aren’t going to put MASS transit (emphasis on MASS) into place because of a couple of businesses? We all felt the pain when the West Seattle bridge was down, we need a different solution. I love when people (looking at your Conrad) say they are car-free. I applaud that but as a mother of a small child, this isnt an option for me. Weather doesnt always allow for bikes and the bus system isnt fully connected either in West Seattle. – More buses is not the answer. Buses still run on streets. – There will also be growing pains, let’s not stop momentum because its hard or difficult. – A connected West Seattle is a thriving West Seattle. 

  • Pinto July 11, 2024 (4:15 pm)

    Do people think that things are just going to stay the same? Because the number of people per square mile in W. Seattle is increasing yearly. And will continue to do so. Personally, I don’t want buses clogging up the roads. Population growth is a reality. Light rail is green, efficient and unaffected by traffic jams.https://www.census.gov/popclock/data_tables.php?component=growth

  • k July 11, 2024 (4:17 pm)

    Zero mention of Metro’s staffing issues and who is going to drive these buses that are supposed to move as many people as light rail will.  Light rail will actually help the bus system, as it will take pressure off the most-travelled corridors and free up drivers to have more routes going further into neighborhoods.  

  • Genesee5Points July 11, 2024 (4:19 pm)

    OH NO…. NOT TACO TIME!  That’s it, that’s all I can take, I’m 100% Aerial gondola now… No, I’m on the 100’s of new busses team (especially because of the new BIMBY acronym)… No, no, actually I’m just going to continue using my car everyday and go back to opposing what is truly important, Pickle Ball courts. Yep, that feels right.   

    • Pam July 11, 2024 (5:08 pm)

      Love their photo of Taco Time with a large empty parking lot. 

      • KM July 12, 2024 (1:36 am)

        Hah!

    • Todd July 11, 2024 (5:11 pm)

      If it were a pizza joint they’d have more support.

    • CatLady July 11, 2024 (5:40 pm)

      🤣🤣🤣 I really think that not only should we embrace the gondola over light rail, but we should also bring hot air balloons into the mix. That’s really the transportation West Seattle deserves /s

    • C July 12, 2024 (10:11 am)

      I have faith that the crispy burrito will continue its reign further down the street if necessary.

  • Unfortunate July 11, 2024 (5:33 pm)

    More dishonest nimbies with nothing better to do with their time other than try to make our city worse. These people that actively and purposefully spread misinformation don’t deserve to be platformed on sites like this. 

    • Neighbor July 12, 2024 (8:09 am)

      Where did you study philosophy?

  • wetone July 11, 2024 (5:35 pm)

    So it looks like from the pro ST3 comments they really don’t care what true cost will be, basically open check book feed the machine. Don’t care about the impacts to all caused by the build and after effects, real numbers of usage or access issues. Very very expensive build for the small amount of people it will be moving. Having little if any impacts to traffic issues we have today;) City government likes it as it allows them to build up population hugely as ST3 will handle the excess transportation issues…..

    • Al King July 11, 2024 (6:19 pm)

      Wetone. You hit the nail on the head. Notice how the pro light rail people aren’t out there publicly like this group. Their name calling is making the junior high kids jealous. If they’re so angry at the so called “nimbys” you’d think they’d be out there publicly extolling the virtues of light rail and bring forth people who are losing their homes or businesses to say how happy they are to make room for light rail. Makes you wonder how committed to West Seattle they really are.

      • Alki Parent July 11, 2024 (6:36 pm)

        Why would pro light rail people be out campaigning for a thing that has already been approved by the voters? 

      • Mrs Wu July 11, 2024 (6:57 pm)

        We voted for it. No need to march around with a sign. Your comment holds no water. 

        • wetone July 12, 2024 (8:48 am)

          You and others voted for it…… passing something that was nothing more than a sketch and a bunch of promises. This group sold idea only……They have never meant time lines, never ever meant or even come close to original cost estimates. Very questionable management/ board……… Would you and others hire a contractor, mechanic , investment group under same circumstances ? I hope not as there were and still are plenty of red flags.  But as most that voted for it probably thought the small percentage I’m paying won’t impact me…..keep feeding the machine;)

        • Westseattle123 July 17, 2024 (6:35 am)

          +1! Voting matters!

    • ResidesInRoxhill July 11, 2024 (6:33 pm)

      What a ridiculous perspective. It’s so sad we have people like this in our community that are so short sighted. 

      • Brandon July 11, 2024 (7:01 pm)

        Yeah how short sighted – Opting for an overblown budget ST for the third time is a must. I mean who cares? Who is really fiscally responsible these days anyway? We cant just burn the money of course, better to waste it repeating the same failures as a long term goal.

        • heartless July 11, 2024 (7:48 pm)

          Brandon: what money are we burning?  How much money is this going to cost you, personally?  Since you are so irate about the costs, surely you must have an accounting of how much you, personally, are paying for this.  Right?  So what are you out of pocket?  Do tell so we can all commiserate.

          • Brandon July 11, 2024 (8:12 pm)

            RTA Tax says hello. Other local taxes too. Not to mention the opportunity costs of more suitable projects that would have helped our roads.  But hey, I’m just a CPA, not a politician; my goal is to alleviate tax burdens, not create them.

          • Alki resident July 11, 2024 (8:33 pm)

            Heartless, you’re another one who has no idea about the past light rail situation. That money was burnt up along time ago. Sorry you missed it. 

          • heartless July 11, 2024 (10:09 pm)

            Right, so you can’t answer my question.  Good to know!  Complain about the cost, and have no clue what it costs you–cue the laugh track.

    • Pants July 11, 2024 (7:20 pm)

      @wetone – I get its expensive, but we need a transportation model that works for the MASS. If you want to ride your bike to work, perfect. Please do. But your bike doesnt move thousands of people everyday. Light Rail does and the more lines we have, the more people will use it. None of this is about “elites” either, many people below means will benefit from the light rail. 

    • tonenotvolume July 12, 2024 (7:47 pm)

      Typical nimby; “the small amount of people”. Compared to buses, in traffic, more stops, driver shortages, passenger capacity? Always a minority method (as in nimbyland) to use dumb math to get their way. Folks, I’m old and I recognize the value of light rail when extrapolated over time. It’s why we still have a gun problem, why we’re lagging in alleviating global warming, why we can’t create more housing. Get out of the way, stale old and young farts, you’re regressive not progressive. There’s a visual – a strong, active majority fan clearing the air of this lingering odor.

  • Admiral Resident July 11, 2024 (5:36 pm)

    The amount of air given to these comically out of touch people on this website is frankly absurd.  They’re a fraction of a minority that happens to be loud and loves to try to get the spotlight on their efforts to stop any change from happening, even if it’s for the better.  The level of media attention they get is far beyond the actual influence they’re capable of wielding, as shown by their many catastrophically failed attempts to stop the progress of light rail.  I can’t wait until things are built so I get to stop hearing their whining.

    • C July 12, 2024 (10:14 am)

      Definitely agree. Also see that the NIMBYs, anti-transit, etc folks know that hanging their ideas under a banner with a website slapped up, a few people organizing a physical event, etc can easily game the system and get outsized eyeballs on their cause. The rest of us, who overwhelmingly voiced support for transit through voting remain quiet. 

      • Westseattle123 July 17, 2024 (6:36 am)

        +1 and the loudest folks in the room speak as if their concerns and needs represent all of West Seattle. 

  • Bill July 11, 2024 (6:09 pm)

    I have been paying for a transportation solution to West Seattle since 2002.   Build the dam’n thing already!

  • My two cents July 11, 2024 (6:36 pm)

    Love the supposed “grassroots” effort – tripped up on for the use of media consulting services though. Maybe someone has another interest here beyond what has been stated. IMO – seems to be yet another attempt to chip away any and all ways to stop transit solutions. Similar playbook approach used by the Republicans to chip away at Affordable Care Act.

  • MacJ July 11, 2024 (7:14 pm)

    Next thing you know these folks will be trying to get Jefferson Square added to the historic buildings register.I wish the obstructionists would stop wasting our time and money and get ST3 built.

    • Brandon July 11, 2024 (8:04 pm)

      And the award for the most ironic post goes too Macj.

    • tonenotvolume July 12, 2024 (7:49 pm)

      MACJ, you’re spot on hilarious.

  • Scarlett July 11, 2024 (7:39 pm)

    It’s a Republican conspiracy!  They’re all NIMBY obstructionists!  Jan 6th insurrectionists who are trying to take away our vote!  They’re secretly adding something to Biden’s bowl of Cheerior’s in the morning to make him appear loopy!  (Actually, he sounded rather coherent today). 

    No, it’s just an absurd project that will do nothing to significantly move the dial on traffic congestion,  get people out of the cars, attract very significant numbers of new riders of public transportation.  And to boot, it inflicts hardships on some of our neighbors.  Be the clear thinking progressives some of you claim to be, step back, and revisit your assumptions and conclusions.  It’s a beautiful dream, but that’s all it is.  

    • My two cents July 12, 2024 (7:11 am)

      Scarlett – it’s an infrastructure project and will be part of the Puget Sound transportation network today AND tomorrow.  A “beautiful dream”  were the monorail or gondola.

    • K July 12, 2024 (7:17 am)

      Light rail HAS moved the dial on traffic congestion, gotten people out of cars, and added significant numbers of new riders to public transportation in every other neighborhood it’s been built in.  Nobody has to guess what light rail will do for West Seattle.  We’ve seen it in other neighborhoods in Seattle.  Your continued insistence that West Seattle will be an anomaly  is bizarre and you’ve never produced a single scrap of evidence to support your assumptions.  Do you have any evidence that West Seattleites will behave differently than everyone else?  Or is that just what you saw in your beautiful dream?

      • Scarlett July 12, 2024 (9:06 am)

        Where, K?  Where has light rail made a significant difference in traffic?  Where are the thousands of new riders that were suppposed to descend on light rail stations in densely populated neighborhoods like Beacon Hill, and Columbia City?  The L line is mostly those coming to and form the airport, not every day commuters. You’re an ideologue, K, who is willing to throw others under the train.  This is a bon-bon for affluent progressives that will do nothing to broaden the reach of transit to those who really need it. 

        • bill July 12, 2024 (9:25 pm)

          Scarlett, you are right, light rail will not make a significant difference in traffic. The roads won’t suddenly clear when Link opens in West Seattle allowing you to drive 70 all the way to wherever you want whenever you want. The point is light rail will keep traffic from getting a whole lot worse as population grows. I can only guess you have never ridden the existing light rail on an ordinary workday and seen the cars full to standing room. Light rail is already keeping thousands of cars at home every day. It is hard to understand something that does not happen (people not driving cars), but you really need to understand this effect.

  • Dave July 11, 2024 (8:00 pm)

    No major city in the world can grow or has grown without mass transit. At some point, it just has to be done regardless of the eminent domain complaints. The Rainier Valley went almost 5 decades without any local building or investment, but as soon as light rail went in, construction boomed.  As for cost, any reasonable person should just multiply the costs presented for any system times 3 for the true cost. The only mayor who understood this was Mayor McGinn, who did a pretty good job of keeping tunnel costs from being dumped on the city.  Light rail will drive more growth to West Seattle and folks won’t likely enjoy that. But cities just grow regardless of what people want

  • WS Pedestrian July 11, 2024 (8:35 pm)

    I appreciate the business and wish the best for them, but I can’t afford to be a patron anyway. I can’t afford a car either any my bus is either too packed or not reliable. We need a train and it’s 50 years late. 

  • jissy July 11, 2024 (8:41 pm)

    Monorail 2.0 me thinks.

  • WS Guy July 11, 2024 (8:52 pm)

    It’s true that fixed light rail will not serve many people on the peninsula.  The route is too limited.  ST3 should build the second bridge as bus-only and go directly to the downtown busway.

    • Moved from Delridge July 11, 2024 (11:25 pm)

      What’s the difference between West Seattle and all of the other neighborhoods that got/will get the light rail? West Seattle is one of the largest districts in Seattle.

      • WS Guy July 12, 2024 (10:42 am)

        Yes, you’re catching on.

    • Jay July 12, 2024 (11:01 am)

      The c-line is packed like a sardine can even after covid and it runs all the time.

    • tonenotvolume July 12, 2024 (7:54 pm)

      True according to…you? C’mon, lay out your bogus facts to defend that stateme…oh yeah… opinion. Right there with assumptions.

  • Admiral-2009 July 11, 2024 (9:45 pm)

    Brandon – preserving, jesting, Jefferson Square as Historic is important to illustrate how not to lay out a parking lot.  This parking lot is terrible!

  • Ant July 11, 2024 (10:59 pm)

    Years from now the history books will tell the stories of these brave patriots who fought tirelessly to save the architectural masterpieces and crowing jewels of the emerald city; taco time and Jefferson Square. 

  • Forward or Backwards Thrust July 12, 2024 (1:14 am)

    Pay now or pay much more later is a lesson History repeatedly teaches regarding mobility/transit in Seattle and larger Metropolitan area. “Forward Thrust” could have set course decades ago, but was shot down by nay sayers without viable long term vision or solutions. BIMBY’s are attempting a current “backwards thrust.” Having multiple modes of transit, including light rail that is not at grade, is vital long term solution. Gondolas, air balloons, bicycles (I ride), or more surface street busses, are not sufficient long term solutions. Enough: Get building West Seattle Light rail extension. And, yes, BIMBY’s can still ride the bus, perhaps even shorter routes to light rails stations?

    • Scarlett July 12, 2024 (9:13 am)

      Yeah, sorry but its far, far too late to graft light rail on American cities at the enormous cost and disruption and expect it to be a solution.  That ship sailed a long, long time ago. 

      • Forward or Backwards Thrust July 12, 2024 (10:57 am)

        Mixed metaphors often don’t work and your ship that has sailed actually sinks.  Light rail/sub-ways are not ships: They are a proven solutions as part of integrated transportation in large Metropolitan areas globally. In the US, see New York, Boston, DC, Atlanta, San Fransico, and more. Globally, see London, Stockholm, Paris, Tokyo,  Seoul, etc. What is your solution for moving high volumes of people daily in Seattle Metro Area: Buses stuck at grade? They may be part of an integrated solution, but they are easily griddlocked and not viable for longer distance commutes. Ride a bus from Lander Street to Northgate or Rapid ride from Alaska Junction to Ballard. Then, try rail for same Lander to Northgate. Wow, big difference. Extend light rail now and your Alaska Junction to Ballard or Alaska Junction to  Redmond will be much more realistic for generations to come.

  • Island Truth July 12, 2024 (9:08 am)

    This is so vintage Seattle. We voted for light rail multiple times, need to invest in transportation infrastructure that will meet West Seattle’s growing population, and here comes an astroturf group of NIMBYs that are only concerned about their own self-interest that want to kill the whole thing. Sounds about right. Build the damn light rail.  

  • Mike July 12, 2024 (9:35 am)

    We can’t fight our urban growth people. West Seattle used to be a sleepy suburb but those days aren’t around forever. We need a complete comprehensive array of transit solutions to actually expand as a city and to attempt to accommodate our housing void and overcrowding. This includes light rail. The almighty automobile has spoiled many brains around here.

  • Eldorado July 12, 2024 (9:57 am)

    I understand light rail along the I-5 corridor… both north as far as Bellingham and south as far as Olympia. I get light rail from downtown Seattle to Bellevue, but though I might be in the minority here, I do NOT… nor ever will support light rail from West Seattle to downtown, when I can catch a bus and be downtown in less than 20 minutes in most instances. And we sure as heck don’t need three stations all within a mile of each other. That’s just silly. One station is more than enough if this lightrail project ever actually happens. 

    • C July 12, 2024 (1:17 pm)

      The problem is the proposed light rail is useless!!!!!  If you live anywhere in west seattle south or west of the junction, you won’t see any benefits, and in some cases one seat public transit will be replaced with 1 or more transfers to cover the same territory. That’s not progress.   

  • AK July 12, 2024 (12:04 pm)

    West Seattle is Full!!! No to Urban Village here! No to Light Rail!!

  • SpencerGT July 12, 2024 (2:06 pm)

    To those saying that we had a referendum on this in 2016 and that calls for change are unheeded: I think that the delay of the completion of the 2 Line calls into question the veracity of the outcomes of ST3 and, at least, invites scrutiny.

  • Scarlett July 12, 2024 (10:42 pm)

    Thanks to all of you who are speaking up to question this light rail segment.   Revisiting and reconsidering a law, policy or spending package when new information becomes available  is part of the democratic process and the responsible adult thing to do.   The burden is on the light rail contingent – not the opposition – to prove that this project is worth the tremendous financial, environmental and human cost, and that it will provide a signficant benefit that can’t be provided by existing/improved bus transit, or to a much lesser degree, inexpensive bike infrastructure.  So far they have been unable to.

  • 98126res July 13, 2024 (3:42 am)

    Still hoping common sense prevails, they fully explore their No Build Option for West Seattle link that is part of the process. So far they have not.  Maximize other transportation options already in place for our unique peninsula, already served by many express busses to DT, and for moving around west Seattle better.* ReThinkTheLink.org– $4 BILLION saved– Many Businesses saved– Many Homes saved– Environment saved– Many families and workers not displaced– No ugly cement towers– No 4-5 years of major construction

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